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Miami-Dade County may require NFL to commit to a Super Bowl before agreeing to stadium fix-up money
Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez said Monday he may require the NFL to award South Florida a Super Bowl as a condition for spending county hotel taxes on part of a $400 million renovation of Sun Life Stadium.
Gimenez and the Miami Dolphins announced they have agreed to let county voters decide whether to use local tax dollars for an upgrade of the teams stadium and would rush a referendum to be held before the May meeting when NFL owners will award the 2016 and 17 Super Bowls. Gimenez suggested that, even if the ballot item passes, he may design the measure to grant county leaders the option of withholding the tax funds if NFL owners snub South Florida.
I dont want to be eligible for anything, Gimenez said. Id like to see the results and actually land something.
In floating his proposal, Gimenez sought to flip the typical scenario in which the NFL warns that without public dollars for a stadium upgrade, a community risks losing out on the economic boost that a Super Bowl brings. Instead, Gimenez proposed saying to the NFL: Award Miami-Dade a Super Bowl or risk not getting tax dollars for a stadium upgrade.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/02/11/3228220/a-super-bowl-itself-may-be-required.html#storylink=cpy
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)Miami says no stadium renovations without a Super Bowl guarantee. The NFL says no Super Bowl guarantee without stadium renovations. Who will blink first?
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)....what happened with the Marlins is not anything unlike what has happened anywhere else in the country. Public funding of sports stadiums is pretty much a nationwide phenomoneon, so I'm not sure why the Marlins get singled out in that regard.
The distasteful thing about the Marlins from the fan perspective is that Loria sold off all the high priced players that he had acquired just a year before which was supposed to signal a departure from the Marlins' earlier penny-pinching ways. (Not that those players helped the Marlins do much other than lose 93 games.)
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)yeah, every owner in every sport pulls off a little shenanigans here and there for their stadium deals; but making tens of millions of annual profits look like tens of millions of losses just to plead poverty and beg for the state to pay for the whole thing borders on pathological...
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171248/citizens-arrest-case-putting-jeffrey-loria-behind-bars
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/meanest-quotes-marlins-trade_n_2129668.html#slide=1757299
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,191 posts)It is true that the Marlins were turning a profit which they were sheepish to admit in public. This is in part due to the revenue sharing system where smaller payroll teams (e.g. Marlins, Royals, etc.) are the beneficiaries of luxury tax money made off of the larger payroll teams (e.g. Yankees, Dodgers, etc.). The thinking behind this is that those teams would reinvest that money into payroll and in turn become more competitive (the Tampa Bay Rays have actually managed to do this very well). Unfortunately, Loria chose to more or less pocket that money up until 2012 (and probably will do so again after 2013). But that's more of an ethical question than a legal one.
However, speaking strictly from a "Keeping Up with the Jones" standpoint and not from a practical, common sense perspective, the Marlins were not in a profitable stadium situation compared to most other teams in the league. They were playing at Joe Robbie Stadium, an oversized stadium designed with football first in mind, meaning sightlines weren't always ideal for baseball. Not only that, but arguably many baseball fans were turned away by the weather factor, having to play baseball (a summer sport) subject to Florida's hot and rainy climate. (I'm actually in the minority on this one when I say I didn't mind this--I actually love Florida summers. But that's just me, and needless to say, the weather was a major deterrant for others.) But arguably worst of all for the Marlins, they were subjected to a pretty harsh lease. Joe Robbie Stadium is owned by the Dolphins, and the lease meant that the Dolphins--and not the Marlins--got all revenues from luxury boxes, concessions and parking. Essentially the only thing the Marlins got was from sales of the regular non-luxury seats.
This put them at a distinct disadvantage competitively when compared to almost all the other teams in the league who were getting those types revenue sources. True, the cheapest solution would have been for the Marlins to try to renegotiate the terms of the Joe Robbie Stadium lease with the Dolphins where the Marlins would recieve a cut of the luxury box/concession/parking revenue. But even then, the team would still be playing in an outdoor oversized football stadium, which was a deterrant for fans. Hence the rallying cry for all of the Marlins owners up through Loria was that the team needed a stadium of its own to compete with other teams. And as it ended up, as with most cities a large portion of funding for that stadium would be through public sources (although thankfully from a tourist tax and not the general taxpayer fund.)
There were certainly shennanigans played by Loria, but if you look at just about all publically funded stadiums, Loria was pretty much par for the course. A sad testament to the times, perhaps, but not really unique. As a baseball fan living in South Florida, I do hope the Marlins get a new owner and that they get a new owner soon. But the saddest thing is that I don't think Loria, as bad as he's been, can be called the Marlins' worst owner. That distinction has to go to Wayne Huzeinga, who ripped apart a World Championship team in 1997 before the champagne had even gotten flat. At least Loria tore apart a team that was fatally underacheiving....Huzeinga tore apart a World Series winner. That is unforgivable.
msongs
(67,438 posts)Travelman
(708 posts)I don't live in Miami so I don't particularly care how they spend their money, but IMO this business of the cities buying and fixing up football stadiums and basketball arenas and whatnot is just upside-down and backwards. These teams are worth billions of dollars, the NFL is worth billions of dollars, the amount they pay just one of these players in salary that would more than cover the purchase of one of these stadiums in some cases, so why in the hell does the city (and thus the tax-payer) need to be footing the bill? Miami has a couple of million people living there, but the stadium is only going to hold 75,000 people or so, so OBVIOUSLY not everyone in Miami gets to enjoy these games and pay $7 for a beer.
Let the league and the owners build their own damned stadiums.