The Rude Pundit: No, Liberals Aren't Making Alleged Killer Christopher Dorner Into a Hero

[meegbear]

So apparently liberals are big supporters of murderer Christopher Dorner, according to multiple mentally-challenged conservatives. Despite it being an insignificant number of people who are saying pro-Dorner things, chief globule of bile Rush Limbaugh claims, "It is not an insignificant number of people in this country on the left who are excited and are encouraging this guy."

How do they know this? Because there's a Facebook page called "I Support Christopher Jordan Dorner" and it has a few thousand people who hit the "Like" button on it. For fuck's sake, it's Facebook. Charles Manson's got a page that has nearly 15,000 likes. You could put up a page with a picture of shit that says, "Let's make this turd more popular than Ted Nugent," and it'll get thousands of likes.

But let's not forget that people on Twitter say stupid shit, too. Michelle Malkin's Jackoffatorium of Tweets and Farts known as Twitchy has been aggregating every time someone compares Dorner to Jamie Foxx's Django from Django Unchained or Rambo, who, before punching the heads off foreigners, stone cold murdered cops in First Blood. Yes, the fact that people make clever pop culture references is definitely a sign of sympathy with a killer. That's not a fuckin' logical leap at all. And even if a few dozen, even a few hundred, assholes want Dorner to get away with killing three people, that just means there's a statistically tiny group of individuals who can go fuck themselves.

Also, in his manifesto, Dorner praised media figures, condemned conservative beliefs, and said that he was a victim of ongoing racism in the LAPD. Because some people think that the allegations in the manifesto might bear investigation, people like, you know, the notoriously liberal LAPD, that must mean that those people want to elect Dorner the next Pope. Mostly, the right is acting all hurt because they think that if Dorner had been a Tea Party member or a right-winger, his views on anything would be dismissed and called lunacy. Here's the thing: Dorner isn't saying he's on a killing spree because he's afraid Mitch McConnell will get rid of Obamacare. In other words, his political beliefs are not his motivation. When Jim Adkisson shot up the Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennesseee, in 2008, he said it was because he hated liberals.

Again and again and again, the right in this country thinks that it's impossible to hold a couple of thoughts in one's head at the same time. You can think that Dorner might have a legitimate grievance that he is bringing to the public's attention in the worst possible way. And you can also hope that the authorities shoot, or, preferably, arrest the messenger.

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2013/02/no-liberals-arent-making-alleged-killer.html

[ck4829]

1. I have seen one comment defending his actions

Not a "What the LAPD did" or "Maybe there's a reason", but "By God, he is standing up for himself and those people he killed clearly can't be innocent, because he wouldn't have killed them if they were".

The guy defending him is ultra-right.

[0rganism]

2. conversely, i have seen several posts excoriating DUers for idolizing Dorner

which is odd, since, similar to your observations, i haven't seen anyone here posting in defense of his actions.

[AAO]

12. High chance that they are trolls

Where else would they hear this talking point other than Rush and his ilk on radio, or from Faux News.

I haven't seen anyone on DU say anything positive about this mans actions.

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, meegbear.

[99th_Monkey]

4. Unfortunately, it isn't just Rush L. who leaps to these kinds of accusations

It's happening right here in good ol' DU as well. Believe me, I know,
because I have been the target of such attacks, for being the slightest
bit curious about wtf was going on in LAPD that led up to Dorner going
"postal" on us. <-- this kind of curiosity was most harshly thrashed
on a whole Meta string, that was out for my blood.

Fortunately, someone tipped me off it was happening, so I survived it,
but it was definitely weird to encounter that energy here on DU.

[iandhr]

5. What ever it was it does not justify murder period.

[99th_Monkey]

8. I ^ rest ^ my ^ case ~nt

[iandhr]

13. Okay explain then

Explain what that couple did to deserve a death sentence.

In his manifesto he talks about killing the family members of the people who he blames for his situations.

You think this is justified in some way.

[AAO]

19. Perfect example of someone acting like a RW troll.

I rest my case too.

[iandhr]

20. I am what the right calls a flaming liberal.

To say I am a troll because I do not have sympathy for someone who is a confessed mass murder is mind boggling.

This is what he says in the manifesto

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours"

He threatens to kill the FAMILY members of those he blames for his situations.

What did that couple do that warrants a death sentence?

Explain please.

[99th_Monkey]

24. A genuine "flaming Liberal" would NOT be trolling to help cover LAPD's sorry ass

This Frankenstein was CREATED in the LAPD laboratory dude.

Don't you get that? Aren't you the slightest bit interested in
the tawdry tangled web of WHYs, WHOs, & WHATs that lies
behind Officer Dorner going postal? What led up to this?

No? well, if you have no curiosity about these matters,
that tells me a lot about your "liberal" credentials.

[iandhr]

28. What ever it was it doesn't justify murder.

On the subject of liberal credentials

I have been involved on Democratic campaigns since I was 13.

I am Pro-Choice, Pro-Equality, Pro- Union- Anti Iraq war from the start.

I am all for holding corrupt cops accountable. I am aware of the LAPD's past

But what ever actions they were it doesn't justify number

He threatens to kill the FAMILIES members of those he blames for his situation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022352560

"I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. -----, -----, -----, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead."

He killed an innocent women and her husband. Why did they deserve to die?

Or if LGBT bashing is more your thing

He goes unto
"Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target."

[AAO]

32. Who the god damned fuck said it justifies murder?

You may need you eyes (or head) examined.

[99th_Monkey]

38. This word "justifies" is being thrown around, conjured up, by the attack trolls.

No one I've seen asking questions about the back-story, has said on DU anyway,
that they feel Dorner is "justified" NO. ONE.

yet these attacks continue. You may want to see my OP here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022359540

[ronnie624]

41. Your posts are idiotic. n/t

[kestrel91316]

30. Putting words in people's mouths and ascribing opinions to them that they CLEARLY

do not hold is extremely trollish and RW.

SO STOP DOING IT.

[AAO]

31. Nobody else has any sympathy for his actions either.

But are you intelligent enough to hate his actions and also have empathy for the way he was treated by LAPD, which seems to have caused this man to snap.

Now you are probably going to tell me I'm holding LAPD responsible for his murders. Just so you don't waste a post, I do not hold anyone other than Chris Dorner responsible for his actions.

[JDPriestly]

10. I agree with you, iandhr.

Whatever happened to Christopher Dorner, it does not justify his murdering someone.

And to murder the family members of someone is cowardly.

I think his allegations should be investigated by an independent agency that doesn't in any way answer to the LAPD, and not an agency that just reads the appellate papers on the matter, but one that interviews the witnesses about their testimony and that looks into his other allegations, but I condemn Dorner's killings.

If what he reported is true, then there must be other former LAPD officers who would have backed him up and supported him before he killed someone.

I haven't heard any reports from other officers agreeing with Dorner's claims against the LAPD. If the accusations had merit, wouldn't others have suffered just like Dorner? And wouldn't they be stepping forward?

I am under the impression that the LAPD has gone through quite a bit of reform.

I know that in the end, the LAPD and the Sheriff's Department were overly punitive in the arrests of the last of the Occupy protesters. But I visited the Occupy encampment in front of city hall during the protests and was struck by the responsible way in which the LAPD handled themselves in a situation in which they were placed under a lot of pressure. I thought that overall they did a good job of maintaining the peace while respecting First Amendment rights. I might think differently if I had been living in the encampment or marching or other things.

Any comments by those who have more to do with the LAPD than I do?

[99th_Monkey]

25. Dorner "allegations should be investigated by an independent agency" <-- thank you

That is ALL I am suggesting be done, and this appears to be what "landhr" got
his panties in a bunch about, in my post.

I rather think you agree with me, more than him/her

[AAO]

14. 99th Monkey said no such thing - or are you replying to the wrong post?

[iandhr]

16. Right here

" for being the slightest bit curious about wtf was going on in LAPD that led up to Dorner going "postal" on us. <-- this kind of curiosity was most harshly thrashed
on a whole Meta string, that was out for my blood. "

This is what the poster said.

I said what ever it was it doesn't justify murder.

He/she said "I rest my case"

Trying to rationalize his actions in anyway is mind blogging.

There are things in life that are grey. But murder is wrong period.

[AAO]

18. You must be seeing additional words and letters

Nowhere in that post did he saw he condoned or celebrated Dorner. Please explain...

[iandhr]

21. Read it

There is an implication there is a rational reason for doing what he did.

"curious about wtf was going on in LAPD that led up to Dorner going "postal" on us."

[AAO]

23. Rational? I didn't see that word used. You just want to see it, apparently.

Are you unable to understand that he may have been justified to be angry at the way he was treated. That DOES NOT imply that I (or anyone) thinks he is justified in the actions he took because of it.

[99th_Monkey]

26. "I REST MY CASE" <-- Please see inside for translation

I NEVER EVER have used the word "justified" to describe Dorner's abhorrent actions,
nor have I even implied that I condone his murderous actions.

Please stop trying to put words in my mouth. It's very unbecoming and rude.

[libtodeath]

6. K&R

Questioning the years of brutality and yes even wondering how it may have affected Dorner is no where close to condoning,excusing or idolizing his killing.

[99th_Monkey]

9. Thank you. A voice of reason.

Proving what the Rude Pundit says is actually true: some people
actually can hold two thoughts at the same time without their heads
exploding.
.

[AAO]

15. It's been blowing my mind for years!

Some people on DU just love to feel indignant so they can lash out at somebody. It's happened to me. Something I post is misinterpreted by someone and they lash out. Then people start to gang up on you - fast and furious.

And most of these people are not trolls, they've been here for years - I have no idea why people try to see the worst in people and don't ask for clarification before taking you down into the sewer.

[99th_Monkey]

27. Pathological Obama ditto-heads running amuck, IMHO. ~nt

[AAO]

17. Of course not.

He may have a very legitimate complaint about his firing. This should be investigated.

I've posted several times where I started off by saying that I'm simply playing the devils advocate and don't agree with (whatever) and that line in my post is completely ignored - and the bashing begins...

There are some people on this site that seem to just want to stir the pot and see if they can get someone tombstoned.

[sibelian]

7. Well, there are one or two who seem to be taking a perverse delight in his actions

if not actually "supporting" him. I think it's a rather subtle distinction. It's just as silly.

[2pooped2pop]

11. Really? I haven't seen anything like that.

But I have seen a lot of ganging up by several people on one or two posters who even try to mention the cause and effect of the case.

But not one; GO DORNER!

[DisgustipatedinCA]

22. You've brought the accusation, now bring the proof

First of all, if it was "one or two", that's a really small number, and you should be able to narrow it down. One? Or two? And where can I find this? Thank you.

[JI7]

29. i think there was a recently banned poster

name was something like coalitionofthewilling

[AAO]

33. So, a troll apparently. I hope they al get banned.

[JI7]

34. he was on here for a long time

not really a troll. he got banned for all going too far though.

[AAO]

35. And when he comes back under an assumed name, he'll offically enter trolldum.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

37. Well, he was engaging in Schaf.....um, Shenfe...screw it, he was no fan of the LAPD

...and in my opinion, he took his post too far. But I truly don't believe he's actually a "Dorner supporter". It doesn't much matter what I think; he's gone anyway. My point in this thread is to make clear that there are many DUers who want to see the LAPD get their just desserts, and see the Dorner story as a way to get more publicity for that cause. There are others who are just plain fascinated with Dorner and his actions, his apparent plan. I'm a member of both of those groups--I think the LAPD is as corrupt as can be, and I think that Dorner's story is fascinating. But this is a far cry from defending the actions of a man who slaughtered two people who had nothing to do with anything. And for that matter, as much as I distrust cops and hate their "thin blue line", I don't want to see them hunted and murdered for their corruption (but I would like to see them in jail, as warranted).

But if there truly are DUers who celebrate Dorner, the numbers must be very small, so small as to make them anomalous, and because of this, I don't think it's valid when some posters use that broad brush to talk about all the support Dorner is getting on this site. It's just not there.

Thank you.

[sibelian]

39. I think you're right.

I certainly don't regard the miniscule numbers of gleeful wrigglers as any kind of "movement". They are very tiny in number, as you say. The person indicated upthread was who I was thinking of.

[sibelian]

40. There's also this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2357370

The last sentence is a bit odd. But, you know, in my defence I did say "seem"...

[myrna minx]

36. K&R n/t

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