WTF?? FBI arrests & detains Malcolm X's grandson as he travels to Iran? <-- Stinks to high heaven

[99th_Monkey]

So, has this young man -- an American citizen of some notariety -- simply been "renditioned"?
i.e. disappeared to be detained indefinitely, with no trial, no charges, no access to legal
representation, etc.? This is more than a little chilling, especially since the FBI appears
to be unwilling to even talk about it publicly.

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FBI arrests Malcolm X's grandson as he travels to Iran
By Eric Morales * Feb 4, 2013

The activists grandson has reportedly been arrested by the FBI while traveling to a conference, his whereabouts are currently unknown.

The FBI has apparently arrested the grandson of controversial civil rights leader, and former representative of the Nation of Islam, Malcolm X according to reports from Press TV. Malcolm Lateef Shabazz is 29-years-old and was born in Paris to Malcolm X's second daughter Qubilah. According to MEHR News Malcolm Shabazz was arrested while traveling to Tehran for the Hollywoodism International Conference. No reason was given for the arrest, and Shabazz's current location is unknown.

The arrest coincides with Lifetimes airing of "Betty & Coretta" a dramatization of the relationship between Betty Shabazz, Malcolm's grandmother, and Coretta Scott King the widow of the legendary civil rights activist Martin Luther King Jr. The film stars Mary J. Blige and Angela Bassett.

February 21st also marks the 48th anniversary of the 1965 assassination of Malcolm X in New York City. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated only three years later, both men were only 39-years-old when they were murdered.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/342787#ixzz2K3R3apDX
http://mycolumbusmagic.com/1691416/malcolm-xs-grandson-detained-by-the-fbi/
http://theintelhub.com/2013/02/05/grandson-of-malcolm-x-arrested-by-fbi-during-trip-film-conference-in-iran/

[SidDithers]

1. "according to reports from Press TV"...nt

Sid

[99th_Monkey]

3. There are 3 (count them) THREE links ~nt

[SidDithers]

6. Did you even read them?...

All three refer back to a report from Press TV.

Why don't you just post the PressTV report, so we can evaluate the original source?

Sid

[sharp_stick]

7. But but but... it's multiple links

thereby making it a newsworthy story. The fact that all of the links refer back to the same loony site is irrelevant.

[dballance]

2. Why Did Everyone of Linked Reports Feel it Necessary to Report on His Arson/Alleged Mental Illness?

How the hell is the arson he committed and served time for and his diagnosis of being psychotic and schizophrenic at all relevant to the current story of his arrest? Well, I'll tell you my opinion. It's relevant to making sure he's seen as a lunatic and that whatever the Feds do to or with him is justified because he's obviously a crazed terrorist. I mean he's actually French, after all, since he was born in Paris.

Funny How all the "News" Reports are Able to Work in His Mental Illness Diagnosis But Never Seem to do the same for the mental illness diagnosis that kept Wayne LaPierre out of Viet Nam. But there's no bias or double-standard in the US media.

[cali]

4. He killed his grandmother and spent four years in juvenile detention

that's why.

[dballance]

9. Exactly, He Spent Four Years in Juvenile Detention - He Paid for His Crime

Since, in our system of justice, he has paid for his crime why is it now relevant? Bringing it up over and over again like this in the media further punishes him for the crime which has already been adjudicated and sentence completed.

Most precisely, why is it relevant to a story of him being whisked away by the FBI and then the FBI not being willing to tell the press what, if any, charges there are. Unless they've whisked him away under the auspices of the ironically named Patriot Act there should be an arrest warrant with some specifics in it as to the crime of which he is accused that precipitated his arrest.

[cali]

10. Actually, he went to prison subsequent to his release

Look, if what Iran is claiming (and Press TV is part of the Iranian Gov., and all the news accounts are rooted on the Press TV story), then something does stink, but I consider anything that is sourced from an official propaganda source, suspect.

[Taverner]

25. Don't watch any corporate news then (NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS...)

[99th_Monkey]

5. Good points you make

Esp. re: citizenship. I missed that, about
probably being a French citizen, not US.

[HooptieWagon]

8. If his mother still had US citizenship, he's American too.

And there's a whole sordid rap sheet dating from childhood to present:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Shabazz

Now, I don't know his mental state other than whats reported. And I think the FBI should come clean soon on the details of his arrest and charges filed. However, given his criminal record (including all his guilty pleas), I'm going to give a little bit of benefit of doubt to the Feds.

[LeftInTX]

11. Maybe he was arrested for parol violation?

He would not be allowed to leave the country.

He was arrested in 2002 for stealing $100. He pleaded guilty to attempted robbery, and was sentenced to three and a half years in prison.[7] Shabazz was arrested again in 2006, months after his release from prison, for punching a hole in a store's plate glass window.[19]

From wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Shabazz

[dballance]

12. If That Were the Case Then Fine, Report on That

It would have been perfectly fine to report on an arrest for which he was still serving parole and which may have been the cause of his arrest for illegally trying to leave the country.

He was not sentenced to parole for the arson that killed his grandmother. The link you provide states what his sentence was and it only states the incarceration in juvenile detention. From what I can find the sentence for the 2002 crime did not include parole. I can't find details of the sentence for the 2006 arrest. Although I'd find it unusual if he were still on probation or parole six years after a vandalism crime. Most likely he would have been sentenced to probation for punching the window. Average probation times are usually under 40 months with probation for sex crimes being the longest at 60 months as of 2006. Source: http://www.albany.edu/sourcebook/ind/PROBATION.Sentences.Average_length.2.html

So, that arrest is probably not relevant to this current arrest either. Since the 2002 arrest did not sentence him to parole and he served the full 3.5 years that one is not relevant now. The research I did on sentencing and average length of probation make it unlikely he was under any kind of state supervision for the 2006 arrest that would have prevented him from traveling freely.

[Recursion]

13. The only source for all of these stories is the Iranian "press"

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/02/04/287235/fbi-stops-malcolm-x-grandson-trip-to-iran/

[99th_Monkey]

14. The FBI is NOT saying they DIDN'T arrest/detain Malcolm Lateef Shabazz

they are simply not willing to discuss it at all, won't say where he's being
held, etc.

FBI is NOT disputing any news reports (regardless of source) saying that he's
been detained. You'd think if this was just some Iranian propaganda stunt --
with no apparent motive -- that the FBI would say that, rather than imply by
their silence that the report is true, and they're just not providing any details
or explanation for the arrest.

[Recursion]

15. Dad, are you licking frogs again?

I'm not not licking frogs, Lisa...

[99th_Monkey]

16. False equivalency much?

funny? yes, but no cigar.

[Recursion]

19. How about this: the FBI doesn't respond to Iranian propaganda

You seem to mistake their refusal to respond for a confirmation.

[99th_Monkey]

21. Yeah, in other words, it's true the FBI isn't noted for it's transparency. ~nt

[Recursion]

22. Neither is the Iranian "press"

*shrug*

[RZM]

17. The event is the 3rd annual conference on 'Hollywoodism'

Obviously I'm not there, so I don't know what's being said. But I'm guessing it was about 20 percent complaining about 'Argo,' with the rest of the time spent peddling anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/02/04/287146/iran-holds-3rd-hollywoodism-conference/

Seems like Mike Gravel was their big 'get' from America

As was pointed out above, all of your links go back to PressTV, which isn't very trustworthy. I'm not saying he wasn't arrested, but I would need to see a more reputable source to take it to the bank.

[99th_Monkey]

18. I'll keep an eye peeled

at Young Turks or Maddow show ... I mean it IS a valid story,
regardless of what Iranian TV is saying, the fact they ARE saying
this IS itself a story of some interest to the public, and esp. that
part of the public most concerned with civil and human rights.

[RZM]

20. We'll see I guess

I highly doubt there's much to it, but who knows?

My guess is that if he was detained, it has something to do with his arrest record. The FBI obviously didn't stop Mike Gravel from traveling to the conference, so I don't see why they would then turn around and not allow Mr. Shabazz to do so if there wasn't some other reason. From a government standpoint, Gravel's attendance is a lot more embarrassing than Shabazz's.

[99th_Monkey]

23. I'm keen on knowing wtf really is happening

because I'm waiting to see exactly what it looks like when the US
national security state rolls out it's application or iteration of the NDAA
mandate for indefinite detention, which I think is still tied up in the
courts with the Chris Hedges, et. al. law suit. on appeal by gov't
or maybe there's more recent news I've missed.

anyway, that's why this interests me perhaps more than some others
up string, who seem to dismiss the report a la "bad source, move along-
nothing to see" or "who cares".

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Press TV is the Iranian government. It is that simple. Press TV is not made for Iranians, it is made

for you. It is not legal to have a sat dish in Iran, and Press TV is all sat. It is ironic to quote a theocracy's press department while claiming to be suspect of state power. Very ironic.

[99th_Monkey]

28. Life is often painfully ironic

hadn't you noticed before? My, you must have a very sheltered life.

The singular fact that IRANIAN GOV'T PROPAGANDA MACHINE is saying
this, that IS news in my book, but apparently not yours because you're apparently
afraid your eyeballs might melt if you look at it. (?)

The secondary fact that the FBI has "no comment" is also newsworthy piece
of information, which you also are determined to willfully ignore.

That of course is your choice, and you know where your back-button is if
you are "offended" by my OP.

[elfin]

26. Would like to know if he got approved visa

Iran would LOVE to use him as a propaganda prop.

Stupid of him to go there IMO.

Also think it is stupid for any American to "hike" in Iraq/Iran area, travel at night while lone female in Turkey or any place in that region.

Better he is "detained" than droned or held hostage for publicity and possibly ransom.

Being "American" no longer entitles one to travel to dangerous areas and expect no consequences.

Agents and news people have savvy and connections and know what may come. Not a single young person, no matter how "famous."

[randome]

27. Oh, God, oh, God! It's finally started! What should I do? Where should I go?

Help! I'm hyperventilating!!!!!!!

[99th_Monkey]

29. Just do nothing

and if you re lucky, you won't end up on Obama's kill list.