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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow Is THIS Ok? Texas man guns down couple over dog poop on his porch
An elderly man, apparently angry about dog droppings outside his apartment, is accused of fatally shooting a mother of five children and her fiancé Monday.
Dallas police said 75-year-old Chung Kim shot his neighbor from below her balcony, went upstairs to her apartment and shot her fiancé, who tumbled over a patio railing and fell to the ground.
Kim then went back outside, stood over the fiancé and shot him again, police said.
I never expected this, said Michael Issa, who lives next door to Kim. I went outside for a cigarette, and I heard shots. Someone yelled. Look up! And I looked up and I saw feet hanging over the balcony. I just feel bad for the kids; they have no more parents.
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http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20130204-dallas-police-say-elderly-man-apparently-killed-couple-over-dog-droppings.ece
RevStPatrick
(2,208 posts)Clearly, this sucks...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)for months?
I feel awful for the children and the dog but "an ongoing dispute about the couple dumping their dogs feces on Kims patio and front door"? (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/2013/02/dallas-police-investigating-double-homicide-at-apartment-complex-on-abrams-road-near-northwest-highway.html/) That's unacceptable and I can understand someone totally losing it. What dumb, disrespectful people.
From other stories, before they got the dog 9 months before, they all got along with so well that Kim babysat their children. They guy complained to them and to the management many times asking them to stop. They wouldn't and he snapped.
Dumb fucks. If you can't walk your dogs and properly care for them, that includes their bodily needs, don't have one.
I don't condone this at all, it's appalling, but you can't push people like that. You can't disrespect them and push them until they snap and expect roses. Just like constantly dropping bombs on people and expecting them to love you.
This story makes me so angry. More orphans.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)I was not a happy camper. They were above me, on the 3rd floor, and used hot water in sub-zero weather to wash their deck down. Guess where it went? The people below me got it even worse, as they had a concrete slab.
Oh, and they were gun nutz, too. The apartment manager referred to them as the tenants from hell.
http://rc.smugmug.com/Other/Dog-Piss/26130107_3PTXWB#!i=2171735486&k=wRJ8L8f
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I go nuts from the odor if one of my rescues pees in the house. I'm still fighting to get the odor out of one of my carpets. I can't imagine if someone had been deliberately dumping that, and poop, in my personal space.
When I was about 9,one of our neighbors would walk their dog and have it poop on in our yard. After she refused to stop, my mom would have me bag it up, ring her doorbell and return it to her front porch.
She got mad at me, a 9 year old child and threatened to call the police on me. We kept returning it her "possessions" and she finally stopped.
Too many people have no respect for other people and their personal space, much less for themselves.
How can you have a dog urinating and pooping on the porch (at least I hope it was outside on the porch) of a small apartment with 5 kids? It's because of people like this that more and more apartment complexes forbid pets. I actually feel sorry for Mr Kim because he snapped. What's the couple's excuse? Being just plain jerks?
RC
(25,592 posts)One was a black setter and the other a slightly smaller, stocky something or other.
When I moved in, the apartments were advertised as Pets Free. That changed on day without any notification to the tenants.
Suddenly the place exploded with "Service" animals. Even had a few dog piles in the hallways. Way too many people though they needed a "Service Animal". Yapping dogs, inside and out. Dog piles in the grass where the kids played.
Management never did get things under control after that, even with evictions.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Why the parrots were grand fathered when they went no pets.
Then things got interesting. One of the neighbors was a cop and selected as a K-9 handler. That dog is not just a service dog, but an officer. (Did I mention extremely well behaved). Under California law on two counts the home owners should have looked the other way, especially since he was an owner in the condo complex, one of the early ones.
Nope, the idiots went to court and lost badly. Joe shmo of the local cheap law firm went against the DA office.
So what was the lesson? Nope, it wasn't we make obvious exceptions for service dogs. Since a couple neighbors who are wheelchair bound have gotten them, and those dogs are a blessing to them. Nope, they went back to the original policy.
We have no issues with dog poop for the most part. Oh and the cop and police dog, they sold and moved on.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Between that and the normal weather, the decks were useable again.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Sorry, but no. The guy knows this couple has five kids. Shoots them anyway. Faces capital murder charges.
So the score is two dead adults, one senior citizen put away for whatever time he has left, and five kids now possibly being put into the "system."
For dog shit.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Really??
This is worth getting this angry over?
FredStembottom
(2,928 posts)That story, those reasons are gone now.
The act is so utterly unjustifiable it's the same as if the poo vandalism never happened.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Christ on a crutch. That's sick.
booley
(3,855 posts)Lets say the couple were a holes. who did really awful things. I can relate. I have had to deal with a hole neighbors doing really awful things lots of times.
And such people made me incredibly angry. One time one guy came what looked to me really close to touching my boy friend during a fight and i went berserk and almost pounded the guy against a wall.
I didn't. I stopped myself just in time. I realized I was going too far.
But if I had a gun and the anger to use it, then yes I could have shot the guy in the time it took me to calm down.
There are a lot of people who take a lot longer to calm down then I do and are set off a lot more easily.
And that's the problem, isn't it? Guns make ANY situation potentially lethal. Potentially instantly lethal in a way that few other objects can.
The motive behind most gun homicides are not crimes like robbery or rape. The most common motive are disputes.
I think the point of the OP is that gun apologists keep down playing this fact and distracting from it and trying to make the conversation about anything but how easy it is to kill if you have a gun in your hand.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)Some people get upset quicker than others over the same situations. And If they own a gun and don't quiet down as quick as they got it up, who knows what will happen. I have situations, especially while driving, where I see someone taking my life in their hands that I am glad I have made the decision to not be a concealed gun carrier. And this is something that would not necessarily show up in a screening of my mental status.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)(For those who don't know, that was the slogan to generate tourism for the state of Texas in commercials, not sure if it still is used though)
"Florida: The rules are different here"
Bwahaha! Bring on the CRAZIES! We need MORE!!
Ian Iam
(386 posts)Maybe you should let them do what various of their officials seem incessantly to be threatening.
appleannie1
(5,067 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)We live in a very violent society.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Two different words.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)The man should had complained to apartment management. Apartment management should had either told the couple to stop, tell them to remove the dog, or evict them.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/05/texas-man-guns-down-couple-over-dog-poop-on-his-porch/
I agree with you, Management shouldn't have let this go on.
SWTORFanatic
(385 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
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baldguy
(36,649 posts)Idiots with guns, fearful people being real polite to them, and cemeteries for those who aren't.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)If that dog-poop couple had had guns, they could have fired back at the neighbor below. Or maybe the dog should have had it's own gun, and blown away anybody who tried to make it poop somewhere it didn't feel like pooping.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So, problem solved, as far as that aspect is concerned.
temporary311
(955 posts)Response to kpete (Original post)
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Taverner
(55,476 posts)The poop was clearly intimidating to the shooter
Pholus
(4,062 posts)They usually are, until they're not. Then it is too late.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)kudzu22
(1,273 posts)not even remotely OK.
donco
(1,548 posts)of his life in the can. children are orphans and the dogs get gassed.Lose, lose, all around.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)We must resist that temptation. This incident calls yet again for more guns on America's streets, not less. More guns in more hands in more places at all times is always the answer to any act of violence in which a precious gun is used.
Man, I hope that innocent gun is getting counseling for the trauma it's been put through, and a good oil bath cleaning afterwards to soothe it's jangled nerves.
moondust
(19,993 posts)Lettuce prey and give tanks, Gunlandians.
LeftInTX
(25,375 posts)Then, the police could have then gotten involved in the dispute before it came to this.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)it's weird. I don't trust em.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)the psychic to be responsible gun owners.