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ABC is spending more time on a dead sniper than a live kidnapped child (Original Post) liberal N proud Feb 2013 OP
I haven't seen the coverage - but if a fully armed A+#1 sniper can't defend himself hedgehog Feb 2013 #1
How many "goodguyswithguns" were at the scene? Iggo Feb 2013 #32
OK. One more time. The Authorities are keeping as quiet as they can cali Feb 2013 #2
+1 dlwickham Feb 2013 #58
The irony is deafening. Whovian Feb 2013 #3
Let's let the Alabama thing play out quietly, ok? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2013 #4
I'm with you on this one, Cows. nt Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #27
Absolutely Agree. dballance Feb 2013 #55
Yeah, no copy cats would be a good thing here, too. nt Romulus Quirinus Feb 2013 #62
Chris Kyle is very well known obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #5
Only in the gun culture liberal N proud Feb 2013 #10
or by anyone at all who pays attention to the NYT best seller list. cali Feb 2013 #13
So all these names are famous? What's this guy's book: "I shot him, and then I shot HIM! THEN WinkyDink Feb 2013 #16
Right up top with Beck, Coulter and O' Lielly. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #26
Oh I am sorry that I get turned off by guns and ignore those who glorify them liberal N proud Feb 2013 #17
Would you feel better WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #19
It's not leading National News! liberal N proud Feb 2013 #20
Obviously, it is. nt WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #22
Gun nuts would see it that way I guess liberal N proud Feb 2013 #23
Yes, all the major news networks WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #30
He is the most decorated sniper in US military history obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #45
A trained killer promoting guns gets killed by a gun liberal N proud Feb 2013 #61
No, he got what he had coming because he was a gubmint hating asshole. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #25
Interesting WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #33
You must not be from around these parts if you don't know the correct spelling. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #34
Maybe you can help me WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #36
"got what he had coming" and deserved are different in my book. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #41
What's the difference? WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #44
I said good day, Sir! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #51
Yes you did. WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #56
I said good day, Sir! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2013 #63
Are you having a bad day? FarPoint Feb 2013 #52
No hug need - but thanks for the offer. WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #57
Yup -- and the media blitz obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #43
Not true -- he was on a reality show obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #39
Gun culture and reality TV, now there is a good combination - NOT! liberal N proud Feb 2013 #59
And the SEAL community, and the veteran community nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #48
I don't do guns, I am not a veteran and don't watch reality TV liberal N proud Feb 2013 #60
I'm pretty well-versed on popular culture; this guy was NOT "well-known," let alone "very." WinkyDink Feb 2013 #14
Chris Kyle's book is well know, not his name Brother Buzz Feb 2013 #24
He was on a popular reality show with celebrities as well obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #42
Best sniper? How about most prolific murderer? bowens43 Feb 2013 #49
How would you feel about a sniper that say... Kalidurga Feb 2013 #54
A hostage situation means the authorities should be careful with media coverage for the sake of Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #6
correct obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #7
Do you think the OP will answer my question? Bluenorthwest Feb 2013 #9
My point is about glorification of more gun culture and that culture losing a shooter. liberal N proud Feb 2013 #12
So you think the media should be leading with the child hostage crisis and making a horrendous cali Feb 2013 #15
I don't think the death of a glorified gunman should be a lead story. liberal N proud Feb 2013 #18
Take it up with MSM. It usually misses no chance potraying negative images of guns. Eleanors38 Feb 2013 #29
They just hired a new head of CNN WinniSkipper Feb 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Glassunion Feb 2013 #8
No kidding. jsr Feb 2013 #11
I have seen both stories in newscasts. HappyMe Feb 2013 #21
Hero Worshiping A Gun Slinger - Promoting The Myth Of The Old West - One Man Against All Others cantbeserious Feb 2013 #28
Yes all the media is doing this sasha031 Feb 2013 #31
I read the cliff notes ecstatic Feb 2013 #35
I don't think they have much to say about the Alabama guy undeterred Feb 2013 #38
Man kills two sons in Florida -and- Reid supports expanding background checks farminator3000 Feb 2013 #40
The reason for NOT covering the Alabama situations is due to a child's life is involved. Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2013 #46
There is a reason for lack of TV coverage nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #47
i believe the media is being low key on law enforcement recommendation. pansypoo53219 Feb 2013 #50
Whatever sells the most toothpaste and beer..it's showbiz. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #53

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
1. I haven't seen the coverage - but if a fully armed A+#1 sniper can't defend himself
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:16 AM
Feb 2013

against a gun man,who can? That may be the push behind the coverage.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. OK. One more time. The Authorities are keeping as quiet as they can
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:23 AM
Feb 2013

about the child hostage situation in Alabama for obvious reasons. They simply are not releasing much information to the media because they want to successfully rescue the child. Fortunately, the MSM seems to be fairly respectful of this. The perp has a television. Setting him off or pumping him up does not bode well for the child hostage.

Take a big step back.

Oh, and he wasn't simply some dead sniper. He was also a best selling author. Covering his murder which is about so much more than than just his death. It is a legitimate story and I have not seen ANYTHING from the MSM that could accurately be referred to as "worshipping".

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
4. Let's let the Alabama thing play out quietly, ok?
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:26 AM
Feb 2013

Let the networks go wall-to-wall with this sniper guy - we want that little boy out safely, no hype.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
55. Absolutely Agree.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:12 PM
Feb 2013

No need to feed the kidnapper with anything on the TV that he might take as encouragement. Also, if I were the authorities I wouldn't be telling the media anything either. Because there would be a stampede as all of them tried to get in front of their cameras to be the first to break the latest news, the latest update and they would likely give away information the kidnapper doesn't need to know. Just like good 'ole Geraldo giving away the position and movements of our troops on live TV - dumbass.

obamanut2012

(26,082 posts)
5. Chris Kyle is very well known
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 09:40 AM
Feb 2013

He wrote a book, has been on TV, etc. And, the irony of one of the best snipers who ever lived being murdered at a gun range, is a "made for news" moment.

Plus, the poor boy being held has been -- and continues to be -- all over the news.

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
10. Only in the gun culture
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:51 AM
Feb 2013

This was the first I heard of him.

He died at the hand of that which he lived glorifying.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
13. or by anyone at all who pays attention to the NYT best seller list.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:54 AM
Feb 2013

Just because YOU haven't heard of him, doesn't mean... anything at all. I certainly had and I hardly follow the military and I don't own a gun.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
16. So all these names are famous? What's this guy's book: "I shot him, and then I shot HIM! THEN
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Feb 2013

I shot HIM!" Yeah, I'll BET he sold a pot load of his books to Americans.

http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/overview.html

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
17. Oh I am sorry that I get turned off by guns and ignore those who glorify them
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Feb 2013

And I don't memorize the NYT Best Sellers list from week to week.

He had 15 minutes and then died at the hand of the thing he glorified.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
19. Would you feel better
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:01 PM
Feb 2013

if he was killed in action? Should all soldiers die "at the hand of the thing he glorified"? Or did he get what was coming becasue he wrote a book?

obamanut2012

(26,082 posts)
45. He is the most decorated sniper in US military history
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:57 PM
Feb 2013

And was a highly-regarded service member.

So, yes, it is leading national news. Regardless of how you have repeatedly stated several times in this thread that members of our Armed Forces glorify guns.

Many members of my family have served honorably, and one who is very close to me is a disabled combat veteran. Regardless of how I feel about war, I do NOT think military members are "glorifying guns," or death.

Just wow.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
33. Interesting
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:43 PM
Feb 2013

I haven't read his book - so I was not aware of his inability to spell government.

Thanks for pointing out the correct spelling.

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
36. Maybe you can help me
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:49 PM
Feb 2013

what part of his book or whatever he has done makes him deserve what happened to him as you have claimed?

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
56. Yes you did.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:14 PM
Feb 2013

And I asked what's the difference? And the reason I ask is not because I am a gun nut - it is because statements like this make all Democrats look foolish.



FarPoint

(12,409 posts)
52. Are you having a bad day?
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:44 PM
Feb 2013

You sound highly irritable at the moment. Reading way too much into comments here. Do you need a hug?

 

WinniSkipper

(363 posts)
57. No hug need - but thanks for the offer.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 04:29 PM
Feb 2013

I mean that.

As I stated somewhere else - statements like this make all Dems look foolish.

I think most people on this board - pro RKBA and pro-control alike - basically agree on large issues. Some sort of magazine restriction, background checks on all sales. Those are two issues that have a decent chance of becoming law. Or at least are two points of common ground that the sides can agree on and start a meaningful discussion.

As for the weapons part of the discussion - it basically comes down to - do you (the royal 'you') approve of a semi-automatic ban? The cosmetics part is a rat hole of distraction, wasted time and wasted effort. That's the component the two sides are far apart on, and will never agree on.

There will never be a ban on semi automatic rifles. It's just a reality.

And then there is the political considerations of this issue. Obama won by 6-ish percent. The pro-control people scream about all the nuts. They shouldn't be worried about the nuts - they should be worried about more than 3% of the people who voted Dem changing their vote because of the semi-auto issue. Because those people most likely agree with the magazine size, and the background checks. It is VERY conceivable that the semi-auto issue could turn this country Red for at least a generation.

obamanut2012

(26,082 posts)
43. Yup -- and the media blitz
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:54 PM
Feb 2013

He was all over the place, and was on that "Stars & Stripes" show with celebrities this past summer. He was partnered with Dean Cain.

obamanut2012

(26,082 posts)
39. Not true -- he was on a reality show
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:50 PM
Feb 2013

Which had good ratings and was widely written about (including on here), and a best-selling book, including a huge media tour.

"He died at the hand of that which he lived glorifying."

Then that goes for every single member of the Armed Services, huh? Every. Single. One. I reject that.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
48. And the SEAL community, and the veteran community
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:04 PM
Feb 2013

And had a reality show...and was succesful. The fact you did not know who he was...

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
14. I'm pretty well-versed on popular culture; this guy was NOT "well-known," let alone "very."
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Feb 2013

Many people have written books and/or been on TV. Countess LuAnn, anyone?

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
24. Chris Kyle's book is well know, not his name
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:20 PM
Feb 2013

I heard the story on the radio and didn't make any connection until the book title was mentioned.

obamanut2012

(26,082 posts)
42. He was on a popular reality show with celebrities as well
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:53 PM
Feb 2013

That was talked about all over the place, including here. He had a best-selling book, and was all over TV and other media. He was a highly-decorated service member, and was nice looking. He got a lot of press.

And, as others have stated, you don't report on a hostage situation, especially with a minor involved. The media are actually doing the right thing right now.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
54. How would you feel about a sniper that say...
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:52 PM
Feb 2013

ended up killing the guy who has a 4 year old hostage? Not all sniping is murder.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. A hostage situation means the authorities should be careful with media coverage for the sake of
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:03 AM
Feb 2013

the hostage or hostages, in this case the child who you acknowledge is alive and that alone should show you why that is, for the sake of his life.
Upon what basis do you propose that more coverage serves the hostage?

liberal N proud

(60,338 posts)
12. My point is about glorification of more gun culture and that culture losing a shooter.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:54 AM
Feb 2013

It was the lead story and spent nearly 5 minutes getting commentary from a dozen talking heads and other insignificant idiots.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. So you think the media should be leading with the child hostage crisis and making a horrendous
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 11:55 AM
Feb 2013

situation worse?

Great.

Response to liberal N proud (Original post)

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
21. I have seen both stories in newscasts.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 12:02 PM
Feb 2013

Wall to wall coverage of the hostage situation may make the situation worse. They don't want anything to set this guy off.

ecstatic

(32,712 posts)
35. I read the cliff notes
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:49 PM
Feb 2013

Had no idea who this guy was, but it's odd that he thought it was a good idea to take veterans with PTSD to the shooting range. I hope some gun advocates get it now. Some people shouldn't have guns, even if the only way to achieve that is a total ban.

farminator3000

(2,117 posts)
40. Man kills two sons in Florida -and- Reid supports expanding background checks
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:51 PM
Feb 2013
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/02/03/Man-kills-two-sons-in-Florida/UPI-22501359914066/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/02/03/reid-supports-expanding-background-checks-unsure-about-assault-weapons-ban/

i agree about too much coverage on the guy. not sure if you meant more on the kid- there will be PLENTY when its (hopefully happily) over!

those ^^^ 2 are more at least as important as the sniper guy.

Lady Freedom Returns

(14,120 posts)
46. The reason for NOT covering the Alabama situations is due to a child's life is involved.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

The last thing one wants to do is give these guys is a voice. Those that do such a thing do so to get a voice to whatever insane ideas they have.

There is a old policy that I am happy to see coming back. To set back and wait in these type of situations. That way they don't give the "bad guys" their bully pulpit. Not giving the attention he though he would get and add the skills of the negotiators, that could mean the difference in the rescue of a live child or funeral coverage.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. There is a reason for lack of TV coverage
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

TV needs images. They have not cut power to the bunker due to the kid. Images are insta intel.

I have been following the far more extensive coverage in print. And you can bet the cops asked fr this.

pansypoo53219

(20,981 posts)
50. i believe the media is being low key on law enforcement recommendation.
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 03:23 PM
Feb 2013

like when that foreign correspondent was kidnapped. just wait for a resolution for the jazz hands.

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