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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe day is coming when a device will be available to explode ammunition remotely in your 30 rd
Magazine.
It's already here for IEDs at a distance , research stage right now , but not far off DOD deployment ...then a matter of time before my gizmo can explode your 50 cal magazine in your cammo pants...thoughts on your second amendment rights at THAT point?
MadHound
(34,179 posts)You're sounding as bloodthirsty as those you oppose, perhaps more so.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)I'm posing a real question that is likely to face the "right to bear arms" viewpoint , why thse four words and phrases?
MadHound
(34,179 posts)So again, why do you sound as though you are salivating for this to become reality?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)I will respond to exactly those.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)Now then, why do you seem to be salivating for this to become reality?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)..but my expectations are low.
MadHound
(34,179 posts)That isn't bullshit, it is the entirety of your post.
Now then, why are you sounding like you are salivating for this to become reality?
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Excellent.
Or, I can sue them if I'm hurt from the shrapnel of a gun exploding nearby?
pkdu
(3,977 posts)defacto7
(13,485 posts)If you want to carry said magazine, you accept the possible consequences.
kelly1mm
(4,733 posts)concern. Can you think of the damage inflicted on LEO's if someone were able to pack one of these devices in a cargo van and drive around NYC? The test generator had a range of 65 ft so you could basically sweep a street (both sides) of all LEO's just by driving down the middle of the road.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Pull up to a fireworks booth, flip a switch, and BOOM. Pity the poor 6 year old with a firecracker in his pocket. Fireworks, after all, use gunpowder just like bullets do.
And it's really just a matter of time until some civilian gets his hands on one and reverse engineers it. Once that happens, anyone with a few community college EE classes can build one. It'll be pretty awesome when the LEO's kick down the door of some criminals house during a raid and the officers weapons all explode
And can you imagine one of these on the battlefield? Talk about your "disruptive technologies"!
Luckily, of course, I paid attention in my physics classes, and I understand that it's not actually possible to build a device like this.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Or, "lol wut?"
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Little Friday night celebration going on there?
apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)"GBCDU" post that he later had to self-delete when it became obvious that his vow to never post here again was not going to be fulfilled by the one doing the so-promising:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1240104600
When called on this later in Meta, all he could do was about how unfair it all was that people should hold him to his stated word, or expect him not to post pro-NRA talking points on Democratic Underground.
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)What was his name again?
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)A wonderfully disjointed individual.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The OP is ... well ... damn.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Put THAT in your hookah/bong/pipe and smoke it.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)How very progressive.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)There are some basic physics to overcome
pkdu
(3,977 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Which is why I brought up the basic physics issue.
It is going after the detonators for IEDs. Very different
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)Like the opera note that breaks the wine glass, but with radio.
It would be interesting to experiment with this idea. Not with IED's of course, but rather with some bullet primers. Is there a loud audio frequency you can find that will detonate them? A radio frequency?
edit: link
http://www.gizmag.com/exploding-ieds-remotely-using-electromagnetic-energy/17893/
And after thought: how would it get through the ground that buries the IED? Or the shielding of a magazine? I think I'm still a bit skeptical too.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)it targets electrically fired detonators...
defacto7
(13,485 posts)explodes car stereo speakers within a block if they are pushing more than a certain wattage. No more Boom, Boom.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)... at the surface, and gradient lines must be normal to the surface at all points. A good place to start is here:
Which I also have tattooed on my arm, for quick reference.
(Interestingly, Special Relativity falls out of those equations as a direct consequence, it just took Einstein to see that.)
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)that's secret code for grandma's bread and I still wouldn't understand it.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)the pattern from my bathroom wallpaper.
I hate my bathroom.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... I have a Tee shirt with those equations, vector form on the front and the Integral form on the back. I get lots of strange looks but some smiles of recognition.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Interesting trivia: Maxwell invented none of those, and didn't list them together at any point in his Treatise.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)I see your tattoos on this page here:
http://talklikeaphysicist.com/2009/tuesday-physics-tattoo-jonos-maxwells-equations/
Surely this is not a common tattoo.... Right? Right?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Mine are in a ring around my left bicep. I think I'm in a book of science tattoos somewhere, though.
napoleon_in_rags
(3,991 posts)I always liked the Euler's identity tats. With my luck though, whatever I got tattooed would be proven wrong the next week!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)...but it was almost too big to fit where I had it done.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)Coyote_Tan
(194 posts)Sontarans I believe it was...
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,447 posts)The idea of someone's ammunition exploding as they approached a school to shoot students and grievously wounding them in the process is great, as far as I'm concerned. The second that someone decides to harm kids, I don't give a damn what happens to them - they have abrogated any rights or considerations as a human being as far as I'm concerned.
But I would want prominent signs up to warn those who carry legally and for self-defense.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I'm seeing slow-, medium- and high-speed car chases on my local news every night--even though we already have the technology to shut down a car's engine remotely. What's up with that?
kelly1mm
(4,733 posts)and attack a target. Seriously though, how would you suggest that this could be made safe for LEO's?
Deep13
(39,154 posts)kelly1mm
(4,733 posts)yet, group of perps?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Directed Energy Weapons, all of which have been promised for several decades now and we have yet to see hand held lasers, masers, phasers or photons weapons.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...or they can rely on their police training to de-escalate the situation by talking.
Deep13
(39,154 posts)...one should just think about baseball.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)if we could get a new law suggesting guns can remain ONLY in a private home
but not on the street or in the street or in other places accessed from a street
(so that home means that specific home and the property lines only of that home
so collectors can hang em on the wall
hunters can use them from their back yard or use a bow and arrow
go to shooting ranges and borrow theirs
and only federal state and local authority has permission to have a gun on a street during their shifts only
then, the above scenerio in OP well-that is the answer to the gunnies when they ask
how does that prevent the person who brings a gun into a street
all it takes is some new technology and a little bit of luck.
and it would all be legal.
and even easier if guns can be reclassified as a wmd
and also mix in my suggestion the other day of the SuperPac Bloomberg and others have,
to ourright buy up every single gun store, gun dealer, and manuracturer of bullets
and then sell those off to the US military or have one big super duper 4th of july fire works display
(and the superpac can buy the people's buisness, then provide something for each piece of land nationwide, so that all those workers don't lose their jobs.
John's Gun Store can now be John's NY real pizza owned by Bloomie.
and make it with great ingredients and not too much fat. AND no 48 ounce sodas.
things do get a little easier once you understand as the 60s curio went.
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)incoherent rambling. Please hang up and dial again.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)with apologies to Sylvia's mother.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)NickB79
(19,253 posts)They typically use a radio transmitter rigged to the detonator to receive an incoming call from a cellphone when the spotter sees a targeted vehicle enter the killzone. The IED killer technology you mentioned can identify the frequency used and remotely detonate the bomb before the insurgent spotter can.
Last time I checked, there weren't many 30-rd magazines that incorporated radio-controlled bullets in them
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Magazines are made of metal and completely shield the cartridges. Back to the drawing board with your dream.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Admittedly a very very specialized kind.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Guess what a metal magazine is.
jmowreader
(50,559 posts)All this "the mag is a Faraday cage" talk is true, but it ignores the metal the ammunition itself is made from.
I was thinkin, 'well, why not just make a device that would heat up the round until it cooked off?" until I remembered such a device would also be thwarted by the metal the ammo is made from. You would be better off inventing a death ray that turned the shooter into 170 pounds of cooked meat.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Poor Faraday. He didn't have the Calculus, and Maxwell ate his lunch. There's a Tesla/Edison analogy there, somewhere.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... having worked on testing counter IED technology in my last few years at work, I can tell you that you are fantasizing. Also, such devices are easily defeated with relatively simple ECM. The emissions from such devices can be detected, located, and interdicted in almost real time.
Dream on.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)For years I would pass by the Braddock Road metro and wonder what the hell the "Association of Old Crows" was, until I met some people in signals. You guys sure are secretive, which I guess is the point...
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... but not as bad as some others. For awhile back in the early 80's I was with No Such Agency. They are REALLY tight lipped. My military 201 (personnel file) has my assignment for those years listed as "Detailed." My orders for that assignment had me report to a Post Office Box in the World Post Office at LAX. I had a hell of a time finding someone to report to.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts).... '72 - '76 in WestPac and SEA at a number of their facilities with lots of antennas and an elephant cage.
Being a ham operator for 50+ years now, I run into a lot of the old morse intercept guys.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)April 1965 to May 1966, 3rd Radio Research Unit, Davis Station, Tan Son Nhut, RVN. Being a ditty bop was a high stress job for those guys. I was glad that I flunked the test on the ability to learn Morse.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... a small group that did field engineering and troubleshooting of the links and systems at the stations when the local folks ran out of options and ideas. We were mostly based out of Taipei under a number of different cover units, but worked all of WestPac and EastAsia. I loved that job, but alas, I got promoted and had to come back Stateside in '76.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)SayWut
(153 posts)Incitatus
(5,317 posts)theKed
(1,235 posts)if you know what I mean.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)dairydog91
(951 posts)We might run out of fuel one day, but dumb is forever.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The idea that a device will be able to explode gunpowder inside a cartridge, inside a magazine, at a distance is one hell of a leap.
EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)Anything to wipe their smug, fucking self-entitled smirks off the faces attached to their empty heads is fine by me.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)apocalypsehow
(12,751 posts)Pardon me: I should really remove the pronoun "we" from any discussion with you that talks about liberals or progressives, as by your own admission you are a "moderate" which really means...well, we know what it means. You are a "moderate" who just happens to buy into and re-post on DU every single right-wing meme the NRA has current, and are proud of it. There's another name for someone of the political persuasion, actually. It isn't "liberal."
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Nicely done!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)You seemed to have sent the Delicate Flower Brigade into a hissy fit!
They get all bent out of shape when someone even suggests that there might be a limit on their obsession with toting their *The Precious* with them every where they go.
Bwaaaaaa hahahahahahahahah!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)There are quite literally hundreds of completely ridiculous "juvenile" posts on this board by Delicate Flowers, each and every day.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... poetic justice to me. Whether it's actually feasible or not, is above my pay grade.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Like ...
"Let's pretend that Delicate Flowers walking in public places are in so very much danger that they simply *must* have their *The Precious* at all times close at hand, to fend off the roving bands of hostel attackers ready to pounce on them at any moment."
Marengo
(3,477 posts)In many localities it is entirely legal to carry a firearm concealed. How is exploding a magazine carried on their person, which is beyond the capabilities of the technology in question at any rate, a form of "justice" if no crime is committed?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)I'm not interested. I have no sympathy for anyone that thinks it's okay to walk around in public with a deadly weapon, concealed or open carry, legal or not, should what they are shopping for, befall them. Should there be that technology at some point, I'm perfectly okay with it being used to PROTECT sane people from Delicate Flowers. Frankly, I don't give a shit if you don't like it.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)No sympathy to the point where you are perfectly okay with a device which would cause the magazine to explode potentially injuring the carrier, licensed by the state, who is engaging in a legal activity?
That's not sane, no matter how you characterize sanity.
How do you envision it would be utilized, on random people walking on the street?
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Marengo
(3,477 posts)pkdu
(3,977 posts)They seem to know that even if they can fight off laws with the 2A militia bullshit , science and innovation will overrun their stockpiling eventually.
99Forever
(14,524 posts).. the inevitable conclusion that their reign of terror on the sane members of society is headed the way of the dinosaurs. And like dinosaurs, they scream the loudest as the end goes closer. I think it's a hoot.
raidert05
(185 posts)Awesome I find more interesting stuff here to read than any other place...
dairydog91
(951 posts)Or, for that matter, any weapon which generates a sufficient thermal pulse to ignite the gunpowder.
It's already here for IEDs at a distance , research stage right now , but not far off DOD deployment
LOL. IED's are often electronically triggered, hence techies can jam the trigger frequency, send a copycat signal to detonate the IED, etc. Nothing like the chemical primers in ammunition.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Thinking about modern ammunition, I cannot think of any remote device that could be made that would detonate the powder in any such cartridge. In fact, I cannot think of any way one might do that.
So, what you propose is not possible, as far as I can tell. A pipe dream, perhaps, but bullshit, nevertheless.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)This is a big secret that is being harbored deep in the Pentagon.
Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Left2Tackle
(64 posts)But that's not the point. Take a look at Afghanistan. We have superior weapons by far, alot of good it does against a populous with the belief that they must defend themselves against us.
It's not that the second amendment gives us the right to own a handgun, rifle or sword that makes it important. It's what the meaning behind that right represents. If we want to keep our rights and our Constitution we need to defend them. Against anyone and with whatever means available.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)So you are going to "defend your rights" with your peashooter "private arsenal" against who, exactly?
Welcome to DU, enjoy your visit.
nick of time
(651 posts)but the jury let it stand 5-1.
Left2Tackle
(64 posts)We each have the right to defend ourselves and our property against anyone. How effective we will be will vary quite a bit. The OP posed how would a hypothetical military weapon effect 2A rights. And it wouldn't do anything to them. That was all I was trying to say.
And thank you, I'm learning alot and enjoying the discussions.
mokawanis
(4,442 posts)I wouldn't want you to suffer dire consequences because you chose to fight a far superior opponent who happened to have the law on their side.
I'm glad you're learning and enjoying. You shoulda joined in the discussions when you joined 3 years ago, cuz they're so much fun.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)2on2u
(1,843 posts)heads. Similar idea, different approach.... or not.
Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)Will it count each individual round, and add 1 for in the chamber?
JVS
(61,935 posts)Heh
Initech
(100,080 posts)Riftaxe
(2,693 posts)will be immune...
Perhaps it is time you stopped staring at your Harry Potter posters and went outside for some fresh air.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)In the story the Americans were stalemated in a war with the Russian when a GI got the idea. He persuaded the brass to let him build it and give it a try. It worked, the American troops were outfitted with swords and crossbows, while a plane flew over the lines radiating the field, exploding all the Russian ordinance. The inventor was overjoyed until it was explained to him what it would mean in the next war when some enemy would also have the device. Modern war would be back to middle ages equipment. The casualty figures of some ancient battles dwarf most modern battles.
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rl6214
(8,142 posts)There are no electronics in a bullet.