If you don't wish to see Hillary Clinton as POTUS.......

[fadedrose]

"I" was kind of ignorant in replying to a post asking if we want Hillary for POTUS. Many love her, and there are good reasons why they should. Sorry.

If my neighbors are anything like the general public she doesn't stand a chance. Reps don't like her or Teddy Kennedy. Even dead, they still remember Chappaquiddick.

If one of my favorites doesn't run, I will vote for her. She's better than any Republican even if she and Bill "seem" to be moderates.

I am going to stay out of pro-Hillary threads out of respect for those are.

[monmouth3]

1. I'm thinking it's just too early to speculate. So much can occur before we concern ourselves

with this. I love Hillary also but it will be interesting to see if we have another Barack Obama waiting in the wings..

[fadedrose]

3. You want the Reps to commmit mass suicide or what???

[monmouth3]

5. That would be a wonderful bonus...Bwahahaha...n/t

[Skittles]

2. rightwing assholes are desperately trying to make Benghazi Hillary's Chappaquiddick

but from what I can tell, only rightwing assholes believe that bullshit

[fadedrose]

6. I don't know what the bullshit is, tell me if you do.

All's I know is I watched the House and Senate hearings for 5 or 6 hours each, and CBS 60 minutes, and I'll be damned if I know what happened...who got the emails, who did they tell...but WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

[JoePhilly]

10. 4 Americans were killed in a dangerous part of the world.

The GOP had hoped those deaths could be turned into a political weapon to prevent Obama's re-election. They forgot that 3000 Americans died while Bush was in his first term and he got re-elected.

The GOP can not explain the political advantage Obama would get by lying about what happened. But they will use the fog of war that surrounds it to attack a sitting President during a time where we have troops deployed ... something they saw as treason just a few years ago.

Bottom line: 4 Americans died in a dangerous pert of the world, and we need to figure out how we might prevent the same thing happening again in the future. Not that the GOP cares.

[Rider3]

4. Yes, pro-Hillary!

I'm with you, fadedrose. The woman is brilliant. The GOP is afraid of her, and they should be.

[Skittles]

7. to me it would be the ultimate in-your-face coup de grace to the GOP

NOTHING gets them foaming at the mouth more than Hillary - NOTHING

[fadedrose]

14. She's the biggest gift we could give them..

And they won't say a even a word to criticize her because they'll want to give her the nomination. They don't see her as the goddess figure Dems do...

[Skittles]

16. um

they wouldn't say a word? in what kind of fantasy land do you live?

[fadedrose]

19. Not till after the primaries.....

[Skittles]

20. LOL

OK

[Beacool]

32. Please...........

Hillary would kick their backsides just like she did last week. She is the one candidate they do fear.

[fadedrose]

8. I meant that remark if another surprise! Obama showed up...

she is brilliant, but there's a lot of baggage for an older lady to carry. The future is one thing, but the past remains the past.

[oldhippie]

9. I'd vote for her ....

Bright, energetic, competent and experienced. Pragmatic but with core values.

The Pubbies don't have anyone that could match her.

[rjj621]

11. Much too early

for me to lend any serious consideration to the next presidential election but it's highly unlikely I would vote for Hillary in the primary unless the selection was simply awful.

[FarCenter]

12. In 2016 she'll be 69. I wish her well in retirement.

Our government already has too many geriatric politicians -- our political leadership is older than Breshnev's Politburo, which was widely derided as senile, and a factor in the USSR's collapse.

[Bake]

13. I assume that goes for Joe Biden also.

Right?

Bake

[FarCenter]

15. Of course. Biden is already 70.

He should spend more time with his grandchildren.

[deurbano]

17. You mean you want him to step down as VP?

[FarCenter]

18. No, but I don't think he should run in 2016.

Since Obamba is young and in good health, I think it is OK for Biden to be a little old.

But I don't think he should run in 2016 on the grounds that he is too old.


The party needs new blood, not the same old, tired figures.

[deurbano]

30. What about Kerry? Already 69... Elizabeth Warren?

Do you think Kerry is too old to replace Clinton as SOS?

Is Elizabeth Warren too old to be a senator? (She's about a year and a half younger than Clinton.)

I agree with the "old, tired" as in, old and tired ideas... but Clinton and Obama seem to share many of the same old and tired ideas. So, I don't think it's about age. "New blood" (and/or young blood) doesn't equal new ideas.

[fadedrose]

43. Thanks for not mentioning the geriatric voters who put in these geriatric politicians..

It's our fault really. Well, maybe not, the DLC an RNC have a lot to do with who's available for us to vote for. There are deals that can't be broken.

[Bucky]

21. Why is the word I in quotes in your OP. Was it not really you making that reply?

And why is the word seem in quotes? Are you saying they only seem to seem to be moderates?

Your punctuation confuses me.

[fadedrose]

23. When I drafted the op, my first choice was "we"

because I saw that several of us interfered with the Hillary for POTUS thread by suggesting other people. I thought it over and in my mind, that was not right, so I called "me" out for being ignorant. The others can speak for themselves, or not.

Just as in this thread, I wasn't posting to start arguments about why people shouldn't want Hillary, just that they didn't want her for POTUS.

Peace, don't worry about it....

[Bucky]

24. So... you used the word "Hillary" in a post, but *didn't* expect to have an argument?

You confuse me, indeed

[fadedrose]

36. The trouble is that a lot of folks who used to post here either died or quit...

But you never see anything about the two Democratic parties in DU anymore - the ones that a lot of us are - progressives. The "bad" guys, the ones picked by the DLC (Dem. Leadership Commitee) are not bad, but they are not progressive no matter what bs they tell you. When Dean won, he was not "their" guy. They knocked him out in Iowa. The whole debate team there (except Barbara Lee) did nothing but pick on Dean, not on each other at all.

The DLC is a moderate Dem group. They get along with Fox, Walmart, the people who run Fox, and are good with the business community. At any rate, a moderate Dem is better than a liberal Rep.

That's why Bill cut welfare beneifits, signed a bill that allowed Wall Street to do all the bad stuff that got us into a deficit. Nafta, etc., all this stuff helped the upper class.

Could some of you really bright people who follow the news and actually read the laws and blogs please enlighten us as to what the DLC is up to now?

I'm posting from a faulty memory..


Oh, and did anyone notice Ed tonight saying that Hiillary is righht for the times - because we need someone more in the middle. I swear Ed must be drunk or drugged....

[fadedrose]

22. I'm 74 and won't be here to see who runs

At least I hope not. Too many aches and pains, too many ipads and twitters and stuff that's over my head, too many blogs that take too much reading. I am getting to be a regular moron...not an exceptional one, just a regular one.

Run who you want & hope you make the right choice.

[Bucky]

25. Please don't die...

...before the next election. Especially if you live in a swing state.

Anyway, if you were a real moron you wouldn't be a Democrat.

[fadedrose]

34. Nothing would allow me to vote Republican, even a bribe :)

[gateley]

28. Hell, you could run as Joe's VP!!

[fadedrose]

35. I don't know if I'd be lettin him kiss all them wiman

[Beacool]

33. Why would you say that?

74 is not that old. My neighbor just turned 95 last Friday and her mind is still sharp. Every morning during the week she goes to our church and volunteers in the lunch program for the homeless. She's something else.

[fadedrose]

38. Find out who she's going to support if she lives till 2016

Of course, don't add that "if you live till 2016" - I hope you're brigher than that

[Auntie Bush]

40. Are you saying your rose has faded?

[fadedrose]

41. It's got twigs that are bent and won't stay firm...

But my thorns are okay!!!

[NoOneMan]

26. I don't understand what last century's politicians have to offer us really

Hillary is fine if thats what you are into. I think she can provide a consistent narrative to our story, though I find that to be increasingly irrelevant

I think our current set of dilemmas--like climate change, food & water security, staggering governments--require a different cultural narrative than what current leadership possesses; a different way of looking at the world and perceiving reality to determine what our role and niche is in it. This gilded age is ebbing, and every second we waste with the old paradigms and political rhetoric is a second wasted in terms of building regional resilience. Right this moment, that sound you here is the can rolling down the road

[fadedrose]

39. At least there's one sensible poster in this thread. Thanks for giving us cover...

[immoderate]

27. I would vote for her, but I'd like to see a progressive run.

--imm

[customerserviceguy]

29. Loads of people

quite possibly your neighbors, were absolutely opposed to Barack Obama. But there weren't enough of them the last two times.

[fadedrose]

37. The Reps even voted for Obama - I was shocked..I live in a purple city

They said that if Hill became VP Obama should get a food tester -I am just repeating what the old guys were saying to give you an idea of what people who do not post in DU have to say about it.

And the polls are largely controlled by people close to Hillary. She has people that worked for her in the White House, New York, State and they are all waiting for her to run so they can get a good job. Chris Matthews commented on what they will be doing now that she's out of State and guessed that Kerry would keep some of them - but he has his own people that he trusts to have with him...

I would guess that a lot of her supporters post here, right guys?

[Raine]

31. I think she would make a good president but I think there are too many

Clinton haters for her to ever get elected. That is one of the big reasons I supported Obama in 2008.

[bigwillq]

42. I don't want to see her as POTUS (nt)

[winter is coming]

44. Meh. It's way too early for fantasy football. Let's focus on the midterms. n/t