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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo one day I met a Red Cross girl in Vietnam.
She was about 17. She was working in a day room trying to organize pool tournaments. She was from the States.
I asked why she was there and she said she volunteered. I asked why would she want to come to Vietnam and she said she wanted to do something for her country in the war and could not join the military and fight so she joined the Red Cross and volunteered for Vietnam.
I thought back then that she should have been able to make her own choices.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)As did quite a few government civilian women, and of course nurses. The latter's names are here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022253981
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)got a new uniform .
Bandit
(21,475 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)And, some were given a body bag for the ride home.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Same for the Hospital Service branch workers in the hospitals (the Donut Dollies were part of the RC's Supplemental Recreational Activities Overseas branch).
Whisp
(24,096 posts)are we are forgetting that Vietnam and Iraq were false and deceitful wars? they were made up so the arms people and the other fat cats that profit from war could get richer. are we looking back and wishing that women too could have been killed needlessly along with the 50k men that did?
I am so not getting the celebrating and stuff about all this.
Which was the last honest war the US was in? Certainly not in the two above, or central america or who knows where else they stick people to kill each other in so stocks prices are nice.
I must be out of fashion.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)pointing out that women were there too only we never recognized their service.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)WWII was the last "honest" war, and I am totally opposed to a draft.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)men that did?" Huh? Seriously? Well speaking for myself, maybe others "wished women could have been killed", I dont want anyone to have to die for the elitist-capitalist, but I think it's a big step that women can DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)women deserve the equal pay and equal opportunity for promotion in the military.
This whole subject has got me flummoxed and I probably worded it wrong for you to think I meant women should have been killed. The point is no one should have been in 99% or so of the wars America has waged.
I feel like the ugly fucking duckling in all this. Where the hell am I?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Of course the wars in Vietnam and Iraq were horrible, unnecessary lies. And of course the best situation is that no American should have to engage in combat. But if the Iraq and Afghanistan wars make clear that at least combat designation should go to people (of whatever gender) who are serving in combat situations, and if those horrible wars produce greater equality and opportunity and quality within the military, and if that change spurs greater social changes, then they at least produced that.
Things are rarely a matter of celebration or condemnation. Absolute acceptance or absolute rejection. Most people operate in the complex world where even the terrible can produce something useful, and perhaps even good.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)just went and fought the fucking thing.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....a post from anyone "celebrating" ANY war in which the US has participated, or in which the poster participated.
Writing about personal experiences is NOT "celebrating" by any stretch of the imagination.
nick of time
(651 posts)nurses, donut dollies, red cross, were all just as tough and dedicated as any soldier/Marine/sailor/airman there.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)stultusporcos
(327 posts)and she also saw firsthand the horrors of war too.
She also made an impact in your life in some fashion too.
People go to war and join the military for a variety of reasons some by choice and others not, some for money, religion, country some because they got nothing else better to do and don't know what else to do, some want to get out of town, some because they have a family and need medical coverage and a roof over their heads, some for education and training, some for travel. They are from all walks of life yes even the kids of the top 5%, I knew a couple. The majority are poor to middle class and most really have no clue about politics like political junkies do, pretty much like the vast majority of Americans. They know sports and entertainment more than politics and politics has become pretty much a sports event to them. Sure they pay some attention close to Election Day but day to day it is a sporting event and hopefully the side you support wins. Oh and not that many vote, just like the rest of America.
People join for a variety of reasons and over all the majority do not see actual combat only about 25% of the military are in even in what is considered a front line unit the rest support them in one way or another, yes what they do is important and some see the horrors of war and can be killed so no place is really safe but some places are much safer than others. Fortunately the Rambo types are quickly weeded out and kept away from weapons as much as possible and yes war will turn some into psycho killers, some will get a rush from it and actually enjoy it to some degree some are traumatized by it some think it is just a job.
The point being there is no one reason why people join and most really dont understand geo politics nor history.
So give em a break.
Those of us who understand geo politics and politics in general need to use our knowledge and power to help those that return from their service by fully fund the VA and giving them the help they need and resources to restore their life again. It is a travesty what this nation does to our vets.
I also believe in a draft, no exceptions your in school TS, end of semester your property of Uncle Sam for 4 years of active service but it does not have to be in the Armed Forces you could choose to do 4 years of social service which could be national or international depending on the need. Teaching, Medical clinics, rebuilding homes and neighborhoods, day care, etc I think people get the idea.
This will have a few purposes, going to war for BS reasons will be greatly reduced, more Americans will have a shared experienced right now less than 5% of living Americans were ever in the military, the social service will rebuild America, millions will be working and give more million opportunitys they would have never otherwise had which is also a stimulus and just doing something for this country a way to give back.
However dont be surprised to see the increased use of corporate or executive military forces, they are already existing and offer turnkey solutions to corporations and governments. Dont be shocked when you see our government start to use them instead of the US Military. Many will support it; Congress just dumps the money into to black programs and magically a front just bought an Army to do some ones bidding. President is innocent because it is not happening in America and his Army is on base. Win-Win for the MIC and those in real power.