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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats Push to Tax Wall Street Trading
A financial transactions tax would slow down high-frequency trading, which has exploded in the last five years. Such trading has absolutely no social value, according to one of its pioneers, and only increases volatility in the market. The tax would have little effect on normal traders.
Critics of the Euro-wide turn to a transactions tax say it could slow down growth and encourage businesses to move elsewhere, and similar claims have been made about the American version. But 52 financial executives endorsed the tax last year, and DeFazio told ThinkProgress last year that such claims are false.
For 50 years we had a tax that was about seven times larger than this when the country was seeing the greatest growth in its history, post-World War II, he said. So weve proven this will not have a detrimental impact on growth. In fact, it perhaps is beneficial to growth. Its not necessarily beneficial to salaries of hedge fund managers on Wall Street.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/23/1483711/democratic-lawmakers-to-re-introduce-financial-transactions-tax/
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Any money that is raised from Wall Street goes to fund the military and the military gets monies from nowhere else ...........
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)kentuck
(111,097 posts)And get a trillion dollars in revenue over 10 years? That would equal one penny on every 10 dollars.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They want Americans to believe the rich are suffering along with everyone else.
Their narrative is that the rich really want to hire people but can't because money is tight and they can't afford it. That's why EVERY "jobs bill" they introduce is designed to give the "job creators" more and more.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Headline sounds like Democrats support this, but is it really just a few Senators?
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The usual Dem suspects probably won't vote for it. Baucus et al.
pampango
(24,692 posts)this would be a great time for the US to go the same route. If most developed countries to this at about the same time, the argument that we will lose business to X, Y or Z country loses much its usefulness.
MrYikes
(720 posts)Now let us see who in government stands with us.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)Considering what the market has taken from the people.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)Repukes will block it in the senate, so this is just blowing smoke up our asses.
4 more years of obstruction of things just like this.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)That's why they had to leave the filibuster alone. They - the elites in Congress on both sides of the aisle - need to make us believe there are two parties in Congress while they scratch each other's backs, pass legislation that mostly helps the wealthy and the corporations, and stick us with the bill while trying to kill Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food aid, Meals on Wheels (those poor, old people are a drain and should really die off), subsidies for home heating oil, etc.
We are being taken for an expensive ride and Congressional Dems are part of the problem. This is why President Obama couldn't get single-payer (although he never ran on it, I'm pretty sure he wanted it), or an open public option, or helping homeowners who were losing their homes, or ensuring that Gitmo is closed.
xxqqqzme
(14,887 posts)Ed Shultz said reid's cave-in was about the guns. I thought nope, it's about the money. It is always about the money.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Just as Mitch (and also Harry) intended!
Should we cheer the filibuster when it happens?
I am so excited!
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)If a sales tax like this is good enough for regular folks it aught to be good enough for the wealthy.
Also, tax cap gains as income. ALL of them. We've got bills to pay and a society to fund. o/
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Since many stocks don't succeed in getting a five percent return, it would be a deal breaker.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)I don't see the problem.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)OTOH, it would push a lot of companies out of the stock market altogether. I'm not sure that would necessarily be a bad thing, but it would significantly alter the nature of trading.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)And if it pushed investors into other types of investments -- like business or whatever -- good deal.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)state legislatures have instituted rigged gerrymandering on a massive scale to ensure their majorities despite the will of the electorate. Now they are moving to rigged proportional voting for President. At the federal level they have managed to create a minority veto for themselves. They know that the time has passed when they win popular elections by majority vote. The may not have the votes to stay in power, but they do have money and crooked pols.
Fight2Win
(157 posts)We should also end wall street speculation on our food and oil, Koch and Goldman Sachs have been making a killing while people are dying.
FailureToCommunicate
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(38,958 posts)abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)how can this pass though with no filibuster reform?
judesedit
(4,438 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)DrewFlorida
(1,096 posts)It holds the financial industry accountable for the damage they caused to the markets, and at the same time reduces the number of speculative short term trades made.
airplaneman
(1,239 posts)This would generate about 3.2 trillion dollars a year. 0.03% is way too low. Maybe exempt the first 10K per year per individual to help the little guys out. Look at your 401K the fund managers take 2-5 percent out every year weather you make money or not and weather you buy that year or not. I would also have a government run 401K where they take out 1% a year versus the almost 4% average of fund managers. As it is now in 20 years you get $100 and the fund manager gets $80.00. Under a government run program you get $160 instead of $100 and the government gets $20 as taxes. Mostly the rich own stocks and they make huge profits tax free in a lot of cases. Companies like JP Morgan know how to skim stock so they make a bundle and the little guys make little or losses. Its a rigged game if you really look into it closely.
-Airplane
elleng
(130,913 posts)'Critics of the Euro-wide turn to a transactions tax say it could slow down growth and encourage businesses to move elsewhere, and similar claims have been made about the American version.'
PLEASE 'slow down high-frequency trading.'
reteachinwi
(579 posts)stocktax
(1 post)The senators are drowning in their own ignorance. High-frequency trading has significant value. It increases liquidity, which reduces investing/trading costs. Volatility has increased because of the reduction in liquidity. Liquidity has declined because markets have become fragmented as regulators have allowed the number of exchanges to increase. In addition, the growth of dark pools has significantly decreased liquidity. If the senators want to decrease volatility, then they should work towards increasing liquidity by encouraging more trading to take place on the major exchanges.