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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe Ladies are now in the FIGHT!!!!!
We are now in combat! Al Qaeda and the Taliban won't know what hit them!
We have come so far from the time we couldn't even own property!
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)Some of our "randier" soldiers will have even more women to rape in the war theater (I guess you can tell I was in the military). Why just have young, poor men die in wars that rich old men start? Now they can throw women into the mix and zip them up in body bags, too. Yeah - as much as I feel women are no less human beings than men, I'd rather we get equal pay and stop being blamed for our own rapes instead of the wonderful gift of being able to die in battle.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)like that is as disgraceful as what is being done to us STILL by the Conservative/Republican Party!
We women are just as capable to fight for our country as a man. We deserve that chance.We deserve to be equal to a man. So go rain on somebody else's parade!
CherokeeDem
(3,709 posts)Women do deserve the chance to be equal to men, and it's about time that combat opportunities are available to women. Do I want anyone to go to war? No. Do I want women to serve equally with men if there is a war? Absolutely.
If I was taller than 5'1" and could carry 160 lbs of human...I'd be doing my dream job...I'd be a firefighter.
Go Ladies who can!!!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)was the illegal Iraq war really fighting for your country?
I think it was fighting for something else by what we knew/know now.
I find your cheering at the thought of horrible combat for anyone really creepy. It's not a sports event.
SunSeeker
(51,563 posts)It is a tragedy and an outrage to send ANYONE, man or women, to a unjustified war. That has nothing to do with whether women should be allowed in combat.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)SunSeeker
(51,563 posts)And homeless people are not free. They are not free from fear, hunger and illness. That is not freedom. It is simply lack of the right to food and shelter. Like the lack of the right to be eligible for a job you are capable of doing.
Bake
(21,977 posts)"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose ..."
Bake
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)women can fight and I mean really fight for this country, you will never really be an equal. And no woman can really fight in war anyway."
I did, a lot growing up in Conservative Joplin MO. I'm not the only woman that has been"put in her place" do to that argument. This has now taken that argument off the table. We have finally proven ourselves enough to the Establishment that we are now equal in a way that cancels that argument!
If you can sit there and be so sour to the fact we just crossed this barrier is really creepy!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)except the bodies coming home.
There will Always be excuses that we are 'less than' and going to war and playing tough guy is not going to change anything. Someone mentioned military rape upthread and that is a real ugly and definite fact that it happens even more than in civ life. I say when we get all the rest of the shit together and treat women as real equals FIRST, then it is fair to send them to wars. It's all ack basswards now.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)For women who chose to go in the military there is and was no reason why they shouldn't get equal pay. I think we can all agree on that.
I'm thinking more along the lines of when (not if) the PNACers get in power again and lie their way into another catastrophic war. When there could be a possible draft. Where will all the children go?
I'll have to read more on this, more opinions from all sides before I really can make one myself. This is just a immediate reaction. There is a war against women right here every day and if that one can't be won by fairness and understanding then I have great doubts that putting a gun in a woman's hand to kill the enemy of the state is going to solve anything.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)fighting to be equal in ALL ways. If not it will never change . We Must be equal in the good and bad. The more we get in there the less they have to point out how less we are.
I say ! Let's Saddle Up!
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Sign up for 11 series, get back to me when you come home, if you come home.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and are you posting sexist things towards her suggesting what she can or cannot do based on her gender?
this is DU.
that's not ok.
what you're doing is encouraging discrimination and doing so using explicit posts supporting sexist stereotypes.
you can't do that when it comes to racial differences here.
you can't do that when it comes to sexual orientation here.
and you can't do that when it comes to gender differences here.
wake up. it's the 21st century. you've had 13 years to not be a conservative on this issue.
what's the problem?
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Discrimination, really how so?
Cha
(297,275 posts)It's not just the Obama Admin forcing them to the front lines.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)SunSeeker
(51,563 posts)So let them fight. It's their decision as it is any man's. No more barriers. All this bullshit "no women in combat" did was make women second class women in the military, not allowing their advancement. They still died, just were denied the recognition they deserved.
If you disagree with a war, disagree with the war, not with women's right to fight the same as any man.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)The women in the past that have been in combat zones and those that are actually currently in combat zones do not get the same pay as the men that are in the same places - because the rules do not allow them to be 'classified' as being in combat.
It is a great thing that this rule is being changed so that women get the equal pay they deserve,
and also this will affect 'promotions' to - many promotions in the military are based on if you've been in a combat zone or not.
Many female members of the military will no longer be discriminated against due to not having a combat zone classification/experience under their belts.
A good day today for our female gender
p.s. I hope I typed the above text out clearly - I heard it on the TV box a couple of months ago.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)yes, that does make it sound fair and reasonable that way.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...is if a female service member was killed in action it would be said she died "in support of" combat operations instead of just in combat operations, even though she would have the combat action ribbon and purple heart. So I'm glad to see that crap go away.
But everyone in country gets hostile fire pay and imminent danger pay, no matter your MOS or gender.
And promotions are based off many things, not just being in combat. For Marines its time in service, MCI's and pros and cons. For the Navy its all about your eval, and how well you do on your test.
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Getting paid equally for what you do. This is what feminist have pushed for for decades.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Thank you for educating me. Your point is excellent and should have probably been obvious to me. It was not.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)This is exactly the reason women in the military have been fighting for this.
It's a step toward true equality for women not just in the military, but all American women.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I don't want anyone sent into combat but I'll be damned if I'd support keeping women out based solely on gender. The rape argument is similar to that which was used to keep women out of many traditionally male roles. Turns out that the more women are respected as equals, the less likely such "randy" behavior is tolerated.
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)and realized it wasn't worth it.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)lady hardly seems appropriate.
just saying, lady. lol
love the video.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)gentlemen and hold the door open.
geez.
really. being a woman is great.
do you call the men soldiers gentlemen? cause we are talking equal here.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i am not way into being called a lady. but i would think at the very least, being a fighting machine, that would be one place i would get to be a woman, and not a lady.
anyway. not a battle i want. thought i would state an obvious. guess not so much.
night.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Talk about timing!
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Bucky
(54,014 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)i knew... just knew, lol.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Fighting and dying with little acknowledgement. My local Army NG company--commanded by a woman--recently returned from Afghanistan. They had 1 KIA and several WIAs. They could have easily been the women in the unit.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Tx4obama in post #9 states it the best.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)That's the real breakthrough.
Lady Freedom Returns
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And this is a start in many directions!
As I have stated in another post up above, many women have been "put in their place' time and time again due to women not being allowed to be in combat. This is the end of that argument!
Warpy
(111,267 posts)They're finally going to start paying us accordingly.
Well, unless we're outside the military. Then it's still 70 cents on the dollar.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Keep pushing, keep shoving! We can win!
Many thought this day wouldn't come.
Aviation Pro
(12,169 posts)But you are not in combat. Let me know when you complete a 12-mile ruck march in four hours with 100 lbs of lightweight gear on your back, a weapon, full body armor and ammo.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)And they deserve to have the same pay as a guy that does the same thing!
We women also deserve the right to defend this country in combat just like a man.
Are you saying that the women that can and do do it can not have the same pay?
Are you saying that women can not defend this country as well as a man?
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Women will do that. Those who measure up will do a hell of a lot better than the guy I had to have extracted from the field in VN because he couldn't cut it.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)are you hard of hearing/reading?
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)That struck my funny bone.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)and I'm guessing women already are, and already have, even if they are banned from some positions that require it
http://www.military.com/military-fitness/army-workouts/training-for-ruck-marches
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)QUOTES:
Servicewomen have died in all of Americas wars, but usually they were support personnel such as nurses and clerks. In Afghanistan, most women who have died were killed in combat situations, as Specialist Snyder was, despite the militarys official prohibition on women in combat jobs.
The same has been true in Iraq, where 111 female soldiers have died, according to data compiled by icasualties.org, an independent organization that tracks military fatalities. In both wars, 60 percent of those deaths are classified by the military as due to hostile acts.
According to icasualties.org, 45 servicewomen have now died in Afghanistan, mostly due to IED and hostile fire.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)on your back/across your shoulders.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)really?
i mean really?
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)really.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and now you're saying that you actually did intend to post sexist comments.
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DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I'm a female veteran. Everything I learned about carrying fallen comrades was in the federal government. The Army could learn a thing or two from them.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)That's quite doable.
datasuspect
(26,591 posts)but thanks for playing.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I HATE reliving these memories, but to defend the Women in Green I will.
It was May 22, 2011. It was a night of hell. He had a piece of wood stuck in his leg. There was a truck that was half a block away that was trying to get people to Freeman Hospital. He could not make it. I could not leave him. Something in could not leave him. It hurt like hell since I had no training in lifting a person, heavy shoulder cameras yes, but not people. But I got him up and to the truck before it took off.
I did not/do not have the same training that the women that are and will be going into combat will have. They will be more than capable to take on what needs to be done.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)wow. apparently liberal DUers have one issue where they can be neandertals.
women.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,169 posts)Go to the other thread on this topic, it's the other top one.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)as a WTF example of sexism that isn't appropriate on DU.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)and there's 2 shits difference between front lines and support operations anymore. This ain't bows and arrows, sport.
kickysnana
(3,908 posts)(Gosh can it be that long ago?)
The arguments of those who wanted equality including in the military changed my mind about women in combat. I still am anti-draft barring an invasion but if women want to volunteer. Good on them. They have earned the right 42 years over.
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MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Having our women captured would be a thing of nightmares. Particularly in these ultra barbaric Islamic countries.
It was with very good reason that Russian soldiers carried cyanide in Afghanistan.
I don't really see this as a cause for celebration.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)extra protection and consideration.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Honor gang rapes, ritualistic mutilation, torture unto death for the slightest transgression. And they do these things to people they're supposed to care about.
They'll torture and kill our boys but they most likely aren't going to rape them to the point of incontinence or trade them as sex slaves first.
Call it my male privilege, call it an archaic code of chivalry, call it whatever but I just don't think it's right to expose women to that sort of risk.
I'm definitely not saying they cannot handle the job otherwise. Hell, women are proving to be better shooters than men. I'm just saying I think it's worse for a woman to be captured than for a man. It doesn't sit well with me.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)the pedestal is just another tower for Rapunzel
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)We are not children to be protected.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Nor did I ever claim to.
But I am entitled to my opinion.
The first time this happens, it's not going to be pretty.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Women do not somehow suffer a higher degree of pain, trauma, or fear than men in any given bad situation. Having lady parts changes nothing--unless you either put women on a pedestal or think of them as inferior. Either way, it's all you.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I guarantee you the enemy will not see it that way. The women will be subjected to horrors that men will generally be spared. I don't think anyone will deny that.
We can always hope it never gets put to the test I guess.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Women aren't to be kept back from things they can and want to do because YOU or anyone else has decided FOR THEM that the "horrors" they face are too much for them to bear.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Everyone should be able to do whatever they want and war is ugly for everyone. No doubt.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)we allow men?
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Doesn't really matter what I or others say. Just expressing my opinion.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)full load out, day in, day out for months on end. Allow the grunts to vote.
I am in agreement all the other arguments are not germaine. No one goes in mentally prepared for all that it takes, it is training and indoctrination that creates a modern grunt.
But that does not take away the fact that Nature, or God has seen to it we have physical differences. The physical requirements we have for our combat arms are not arbitrary nor random. The simple and unfair truth is the median female does not have the physical strength and endurance the median male does in the areas that are necessary to wage war as we do.
The thing to change is the over-representation of the armor and infantry stranglehold on the higher echelons of the Pentagon. There is no reason an MP, or Medical field
cant be Sgt Major of the Army or on the Joint Chiefs. Female pilots, should be allowed attack and interceptor slots, fixed and rotary. These things will allow more women to advance in the ranks. The Commandant of the Marine corps is a flyboy, unheard of in previous years.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)http://books.google.com/books?id=GLu6AAAAIAAJ&source=gbs_similarbooks
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TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Men can be victims of rape and violent crime, too. That has no bearing on their voluntary military careers. It shouldn't for women, either, if they'd rather assume physical risks to participate in combat.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Now we can get equil pay for it!
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)I am saddened we, the veterans of this nation, have allowed you to believe you have gained anything in this.
I hope because of our horrid misogyny that wars are now harder since we will feed Mars with daughters as well as sons...
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)What you don't understand that we women must show we can do EVERYTHING men do to finally get to be treated as equals in everything. This is just another step to it.
SQUEE
(1,315 posts)Neandarthals are slowly dying off and I do actually rejoice in an idea of your freedom, and the recognition. But I still ask, what does the infantry gain by allowing your service?
eShirl
(18,494 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)They'd be just as indifferent to female guts and brains strewn about as they are to male. As long as that money keeps flowing they don't care who dies.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)What is it you think you will enjoy about it?
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)We are now in it for the full measure.No man can now say "all you women don't understand war". That has been the argument used against many of us for a long time. Even with all the other stuff women did in the service that line remained.
You can't be expected to understand.
It is now proof none can argue with for equal pay for equal work. It is a dark door we must walk through to get those that keep, from the start of the Suffrage movement to today, to step aside and give us what we have earned and deserve as citizens of the U.S.A.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Many men out there, even with being the 21st. century, will not allow us what should be no brainier rights till we show we are equal in all of it. The bad and the good.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Wanting the opportunity to kill other people does not seem like a healthy mental outlook.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)a very, very strange position to hold.
You think men WANT to go to war?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)I shall sleep more soundly knowing our ladies and boys hold the keys to the gate; and no one shall pass except through them.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)All citizens duly cataloged to be forced to fight for the empire.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)I can remember when nobody had to. All too brief a time.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)And if anyone wonders if women are tough enough, watch this video:
(Press the CC button on the video for the English subtitles)
Watching these two guys start out laughing and end up begging for mercy when given simulated labor pains says a lot about just how tough women really are. One of the guys could not make it to the end. The one who did was in pure agony.
K&R
TM99
(8,352 posts)All they did was attempt to mechanically replicate the physical pain in the abdominal region.
Pregnancy and labor involve a far more complex mix of neuro-endocrine and physiological processes that biologically are actually quite unique to the female of the species. Men do not have the same anatomical or chemical make-up and nor will we ever.
Read some Lt. Col. Grossman on what happens in combat with the neuro-endocrine system of the male system and then compare that to what occurs in the process of labor for a female. If women are now wanting to undergo that trauma inducing scenario with joy over supposed equality, then so be it. But seriously be careful what you wish for. It might not be what you think it is.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Or would that be too cruel?
Because I seriously doubt that the abdominal muscles are the same as a uterus.
Besides, most men will tolerate pain better then most women.
http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/09/27/learning_why_men_and_women_experience_pain_differently/
TM99
(8,352 posts)But let's make sure it is true equality and not just illusory.
1) All young women between the ages of 18 and 25 must now go down to the USPS and register for the Selective Service System. No if's and's or but's about it, and if they do not, any young woman must face the same penalties as young men do today.
2) No preferential treatment must be given to female recruits in combat specialities. If a young lady can not complete the training with the same requirements as a male then she fails. If a young man today can not complete the course of study, and many men do fail, then the same equality must hold true for women.
If they can jump out of a plane with over 125 lbs of gear, weapons, and ammo and complete all-terrain hikes at night sometimes over several thousand meters in a specific time frame, then all the power to them. If they want to enter Special Forces, there must be no lowering of standards as they currently stand for male candidates. That means less sleep, less food & water, less hygiene, etc.
If these two rubrics aren't met, then this is just pseudo-equality and a 'political correctness' politics game.
regjoe
(206 posts)There are already two different standards and that will now carry over to combat and SFs.
If the military is smart, they will separate male and female combat units and use them accordingly.
TM99
(8,352 posts)I just hope the different standards will NOT carry over into combat and Special Forces. That will not be a good thing.
I agree on the separation, and I truly wonder how far ahead the thinking truly is on this as far as outcomes are concerned.
From where I sit, it sure looks like a political move on the part of Panetta to secure his 'legacy' as he leaves his post.
We shall see.
regjoe
(206 posts)But i think your hopes are all in vain. The different standards HAVE to carry over or they won't make the cut, and that will be unacceptable. And you are correct, it will not be a good thing.
The only outcomes that have been thought about have nothing to do with combat and everything to do with politics.
TM99
(8,352 posts)because what I wrote will not ever occur.
Naturally there will need to be different standards or the female soldiers will fail their evals and not receive promotions. And this is really about promotions. No high ranking officer receives their commission without combat experience. You want to be a general, well then you need to command a combat unit. So in order to break that ceiling, women must receive combat experience if that means 'fudging' the reality of it.
I knew very few women who were capable of spending day after day hauling 100 lb ordinances in an artillery unit. Yes, there is an incredibly small percentage of women in the military that can do this, but you don't change an entire army for less than 3% of its ranks.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)and i'll bet they could best you in any competition you can think of.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Where are we, elementary school?
Of course, I know a few women who could best some men in competitions as well. That really misses the point doesn't it? There are fewer women who can than can't, therefore changing a large organization to accommodate for the few who can do so is very poor policy and strategically unsound.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)Are you kidding me?
Let's pick the 17-21 age group for the Army as an example. For men, the minimum and maximum push ups are 42 and 71. For women, they are 19 and 42. Sit-ups, yes, are the same for both genders. However, for a 2 mile run, for men, the minimum and maximum are 15:54 and 13:00. For women, they are 18:54 and 15:36.
There are difference minimums for male and female Marines as well, which does not mean one has passed the FPT if they only can score that minimum. The CPT for Marines is a notch up as are the Ranger PFT qualifications for the Army.
So, no, they are not gender neutral. They are different for each sex. If women are planning to join combat specialties, then yes, they bloody well better become gender neutral and the same. Because if the slowest female is only capable of a 13:00 2 mile run and her slowest male counterpart is doing a 15:54 2 mile run, that difference will get one or both of them killed or captured in combat.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Aviation Pro
(12,169 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)In the eyes of the Pentagon, this simply means more fodder for the cannon.
I wish for a day when we don't have to send anyone off to war, regardless of gender...
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CreekDog
(46,192 posts)FYI, to those that agree with them.
B2G
(9,766 posts)And more immediately, mandatory registration?
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)I don't have a problem with allowing women in combat roles, as long as they can meet the required physical standards.
For those who are opposed to this idea due to the potential for female captives being raped, there was a reason that many of the soviet soldiers would choose to kill themselves rather than be captured by the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghanistan conflict, many who captured were raped and then mutilated. Long history of similar abuses in Afghanistan.
"When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
and the women come out to cut up what remains,
jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
and go to your gawd like a soldier. "
Rudyard Kipling
jwirr
(39,215 posts)victims.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)An aspiration I fail to comprehend.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)The military is so fucked. Sorry if I offend anyone, I know there are brave and dedicated military personnel out there - even in my own family - but I am so opposed to war at such a fundamental level, the whole idea of serving (for me personally) is repugnant. I would go to prison before I would go to war.
I don't get guns either. I just don't and never will.
RandiFan1290
(6,235 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)marlakay
(11,470 posts)No way, because they would have to draft women then or it would be discriminatory.
And the whole country would rise up if girlie girls were forced in. Just the thought of my makeup, nail and hair perfect daughter in the military is a laugh.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I agree with allowing women to serve on the front lines, but I don't think we should be in any of these wars and I don't think the draft should be allowed for anyone. I think it is just as disgusting to force some 18 year old man to go fight and die as it is to force a women to go fight. Hell, I'm sure most people who know me would find the thought of me in the military laughable.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)you realize this isn't your living room, don't you?
kentuck
(111,098 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Scroll down on right: http://us.cnn.com/?hpt=ed_US
Current results:
Yes 63% 8297
No 37% 4870
Total votes: 13167
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)my eyes filled with tears! They are still there as I remember my mother telling me about how my grandmother was involved in woman's voting rights. I didn't appreciate her sacrifice at the time.
Hope she's up there somewhere and knows how far we've come today.
By the way, What was that scene with the woman strapped down and forced to drink something? Can anyone explain that?
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Who was force fed by tube when she went on a hunger strike over her treatment in jail. I believe it was in Occoquan prison in Virginia. She was sent to jail for protesting the lack of the right to vote. She was convicted of obstructing traffic. Editing for a passage from her wiki entry:
Paul's hunger strike, combined with the continuing demonstrations and attendant press coverage, kept pressure on the Wilson administration. In January, 1918, Wilson announced that women's suffrage was urgently needed as a "war measure", and strongly urged Congress to pass the legislation. In 1920, after coming down to one vote in the state of Tennessee, the Nineteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution secured the vote for women.
She was one tough woman.
I would think having women like her serving our nation in combat is a good thing.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Would like to send it to some people.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)It is under the name "Bad Romance: Women's Suffrage"
put out by soomopublishing
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Not my thing, but if that is what you want, go for it, girl.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)women to have the right to choose an abortion...even thought I wouldn't want one personally.
Everyone should have the right to their own decision...not for politicians to make that decision for us.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The individual woman's decision.
DFab420
(2,466 posts)finally recognize this....
madville
(7,410 posts)I'm all for it
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)as we said in my day. Not my thing, but if it is yours, go for it, girl.
auntsue
(277 posts)for some time now. This is official, let's them get the pay differential and credit for it. A woman who was flying a heliocopter, got shot down, lost her legs and -- any man in that event would get a medal....she was not eligable because...........medals are for combat soldiers and women are not in combat. Now combat women are "out of the closet"......
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Maj. Ladda 'Tammy' Duckworth, Air Medal, Army Commendation Medal
http://www.stripes.com/news/the-pedals-were-gone-and-so-were-my-legs-1.34578
She also is a recipient of the Army's Combat Action Badge.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Women in the military have been and still are in combat situations.
All men and women get combat pay if in the zone.
Women who are injured in combat get medals.
The difference is that combat specialties like infantry will now be open to women.
There is a greater chance of promotion to higher ranks if one has not only been in combat but also led in combat.
This change has absolutely zero to do with pay, credit, or medals and everything to do with politics and promotions.
Please get your facts straight.
auntsue
(277 posts)but....without lowering standards ... if women "can" do it...they should be "allowed" to do it.
TM99
(8,352 posts)If they 'can' do it, the standards are not lowered, and women 18-25 must now register for Selective Service, the I accept it.
I don't agree with it, and I don't believe all of the consequences have been fully thought out.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)the Taliban impose on the daughters of farmers who can't pay their opium debts. They spend the rest of their lives as rape slaves, never to be seen by their families again.
RetroGamer1971
(177 posts)Instead of calling them women, girls, gals, etc, why not call them adults? If they are adults ,then they should be able to serve their country. Women already do dangerous jobs like being cops, firefighters, detention officers, and other professions that are as hard in their own right. Either they are equal or they are not. But if society decides not, then we are going to have to take a long hard look in the mirror.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)what if Hillary runs and does win in 2016 (or any woman who is not shy about being pro-war or thinks that Margaret Thatcher types are all that and a bag of chip). And she declares war on Eastasia and calls for all women to join her in support.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)Many here are against the wars we are in due to being illegal.
We women can not give a pass due to her being a woman. To be truly equal we must be treated equal in all things.
OldEurope
(1,273 posts)The fight for Women's rights was about the right to be killed in combat?
So you won a battle (I doubt even that). But have you seen this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2257552 ?
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)To be treated as equals in every way we must be equal in the good and the bad.
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