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Virginia GOP Pulls Dirty Trick On Inauguration DayTPM
Democrats in Virginia are accusing state Republicans of taking advantage of a prominent civil rights leaders trip to Washington for the presidential inauguration to pull a dirty trick in order to take control of the state Senate in the 2015 elections.
The state Senate is split 20-20 between Republicans and Democrats. On Monday, while state Sen. Henry Marsh (D) a 79-year-old civil rights veteran was reportedly in Washington to attend President Obamas second inaugural, GOP senators forced through a mid-term redistricting plan that Democrats say will make it easier for Republicans to gain a majority.
With Marshs absence, Senate Republicans in Richmond had one more vote than Senate Democrats and could push the measure through. The new redistricting map revises the districts created under the 2011 map and would take effect before the next state Senate elections in Virginia and would redraw district lines to maximize the number of safe GOP seats.
(snip...and for an added twist of the sick-fuckers knife...)
On motion of Senator Stosch, the Senate adjourned in memory or [sic] General Thomas J. Stonewall Jackson at 4:10 p.m. to convene Tuesday, January 22, 2013, read the official minutes of the legislative day.
The rest: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/republicans-dirty-trick-inauguration.php
Great day today.
Back to work tomorrow.
Rust never sleeps.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)elleng
(131,191 posts)mike_c
(36,281 posts)It's all they have left.
Angelonthesidelines
(70 posts)Nixon have a Dept of dirty tricks?
Maybe that was a Hunter Thompsonism.
catbyte
(34,482 posts)Ilsa
(61,704 posts)presidential electoral college votes to align with rigged districts, our democracy is in danger.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Takket
(21,640 posts)Its been a long time since I was in history class in high school but i explicitly remember being taught that gerrymandering was made illegal by some law of some sort at some point. Am I remembering wrong??? Because it seems like almost once a week I hear some report about Republicans gerrymandering to win federal/state seats.
starroute
(12,977 posts)Meaning that electoral districts had to have close to equal populations. But in a separate decision, the Court refused to strike down gerrymandering -- in which the districts are of equal sizes but are twisted all over the map in order to optimize one party's chances.
That was before computers made it easy to construct these really outrageous electoral maps and still stay within the Court's guidelines. So there's a faint chance the Court might reconsider the decision at some point -- but not with the present set of justices.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)parties, so no one's hands are clean.
We need a truly non partisan way of computerized by zip-code/population, and let the chips fall where they may.
After a few cycles, things would settle into normalcy.
We changed our redistricting out here and due to it, we finally were able to dump Mary Bono...yay!!
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)And have fair Congressional district lines drawn. Iowa is one such State and that purple State has 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans in the House so it can be done. (I know, one of them is Steve King but that is beside the point -- NW Iowa happens to be very Republican).
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)I firmly reject your premise, yes, our side has a couple places where the districts are a little weird, but that doesn't compare at all to the state of most of the country, where the only reason the Rs have any say is because they are twisting things so strongly they are way beyond where they ever should be, and it's only going to get worse.
It's like saying Fox and MSNBC are the same just on opposite sides.
no. Sorry. Ours hands, as always, are clean in this and other matters.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Nice.
janx
(24,128 posts)That is so vile that I'm almost unable to believe what I just read in Pitt's post.
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)In the 1980s, many Virginia legislators seriously fought against designating ML King Day as a state holiday. Eventually, they proposed what they considered to be a compromise. They would take the existing state holiday that they had in place for Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, and add Martin Luther King's name to the end of it. It would be Lee-Jackson-King Day.
The idea was not well-received.
Neurotica
(609 posts)That used to bother me so much. Very happy that it was changed at some point to MLK day only.
paleotn
(17,989 posts)...at least the Virginia variety. Adjourned in memory of a nut job, racist war monger. These people just won't let it go. What do we have to do? Take them all to Appomattox and rub their collective noses in it? You lost! Get over it or get the hell out!
quakerboy
(13,921 posts)The Democrats cant just wait till one of the R's is out with a cold and switch it back?
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)RedstDem
(1,239 posts)my apologies to actual douche-bags...
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)was supposed to be illegal.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)If you can't prove that, then there's not a lot you can do under the current system. A system which needs to be changed.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I've a long history both here on DU and in my activism against gerrymandering.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I do that sometimes when I'm on my phone without thinking. My apologies.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Cha
(297,794 posts)Response to Cha (Reply #18)
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Cha
(297,794 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)And do they truly have no quorum requirements? In most bodies, you must have a majority of members present in order to conduct business. If the Dems all walked out, there would not have been a majority present.
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octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The gerrymandering bill now goes to the heavily Republican House of Delegates for a vote, where it will likely face little opposition.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/21/1475811/virginia-rushes-redistricting/
NC Dems are currently involved in a nasty court battle with the state's Republicans over gerrymandering.
judesedit
(4,443 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It is Virginia state senate districts.
csziggy
(34,139 posts)Republicans in a number of states are trying to tie allocations of electoral votes to the distribution of election districts, the Congressional District Method. So if the districts are gerrymandered in favor of Republican victories, that means that the electoral votes will be swayed in favor of Republican electors in those states.
Since so many states' legislatures are dominated by Republicans, the Congressional District Method is a danger to fair counting of our votes.
See: http://archive.fairvote.org/e_college/reform.htm#district
Kablooie
(18,641 posts)It seems that last minute gerrymandering and Electoral college re-calculating is the golden key for Republicans to take total control of government again.
Especially since everything in the country is turning against them, open and honest elections will not treat them well so I predict we will see lots of extreme, desperate actions and every dirty trick in the book taken by Republicans in the next few years.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)DallasNE
(7,403 posts)First, today is a national holiday so why is the State Senate even in session. Second, the boundary lines have already been drawn for this decade so under what authority can they draw them up again unless under court order. Lastly, naked partisan moves like this don't go down well with American citizens so while there may be short term gain the odd of this biting them in the back side just shot up.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)....thought exact same thing and was going to post after I read through comments....
And yet what we both thought seems so common sense, but that doesnt mean it didnt happen...now the real question is how do we we reverse this and stop this sh*t from continuing? I am so tired....you would think at a time when people see the greatest cheater and liar of all time in the news (Armstrong) that people would say "enough" and want to change our societyinto one that doesnt accept this kind of cheating and dishonesty.
And then again, maybe that is the bigger problem....our society has become one that accepts this behaviour and therefore until they say no more, the governmental entities like the GOP in VA will be able to continue this and the rest of the GOP's plans to effectively steal the electoral on an a la carte basis in the future.....because no one is stopping them or holding them accountable and the public seems to not care....
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)It seems pretty clear that this will be challenged in court should the lame duck Governor sign this measure.
http://www.bluevirginia.us/showComment.do?commentId=31089
Deep13
(39,154 posts)judesedit
(4,443 posts)Anonymous expose them all so they have to run away.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)....just hit me as I read your post....
I like others here got the email from the President with the video from Michelle Obama.....Obama for America became "Organizing for Action".... Action to keep things moving in right direction....Action to stop what the special interest groups and corporations have done...Action to protect our voting rights....
Obama is brilliant....he understands that it cant end with his election....and he is truly turning back to us and saying its our democracy if we take responsibility....and action....
Wow....like an epiphany, it just made me realize how brilliant and important this is....I wasnt going to donate....I felt maxed out after this horrendous election cycle....but even if its just $10 - I am in...and it will be interesting to see how others react and how this evolves....and not just donate - actually participate and go volunteer....
Meanwhile, I am just hoping and praying that Senator Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader, today takes some very important steps regarding Senate business and the filibuster....
Hey, a girl can dream, right? But seeing our President sworn in for a 2nd time yesterday, on MLK day, with Medgar Evers widow standing there, made me realize, dreams do come true....
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)A Dem attended the funeral of a family member and the repukes took advantage of that one day attendance total to call a quorum, I think and pass some legislation - I can't remember what the legislation was.........but it sucked!
mnhtnbb
(31,408 posts)and Republicans refused to let her change her vote when she instantly realized what
she'd done.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/03/2176029/how-a-lawmakers-mistaken-vote.html
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)I remember that a state legislator attended a funeral......maybe it happened in a different state.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)This kind of thing and voter suppression are about all the Republicans have left. We are going to see them work gerrymandering like a borrowed sports car for the next four years.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)i guess we better REALLY turnout the votes in EVERY election then.
sheshe2
(83,950 posts)It is all they have left. The party of no ideas, no values, no brains. Time to cheat I guess.
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)They assume that the voters in these new districts will never have a reason to vote Democratic and that newer voters in these districts will continue to vote the same way the older voters have.
Both are foolish assumptions.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Berlum
(7,044 posts)...an unprincipled grab for power = rape of democracy.
RandiFan1290
(6,256 posts)I'm sure there must be some deal or grand bargain?? They can't just push their agenda and leave out all the democrats, right?
Our party always tries to bargain with them and give them as much as they want so we can have a nice mushy weak bipartisan deal.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)underhanded crap to get what they want.
maryland native
(48 posts)I believe that concurrent with this shenanigans already described, this is the day that residents of Virginia descend on the State Legislature ARMED and walk around "lobbying" for even greater gun rights.....
Sigh....
Cleita
(75,480 posts)in civics class that gerrymandering or similar practices were illegal. Or am I remembering that wrong? Maybe I was taught it should be illegal. It should be because it is undermining our Democracy and seems to border a bit on political treason.
former9thward
(32,097 posts)It used to be somewhat difficult to gerrymander but with the invention of computers they do all the work now.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)if the Dems in any office haven't learned by now NEVER to trust the GOPeas, they are asking for this.
NEVER trust them because they are always up to something, and NEVER assume they won't stoop to the lowest level possible.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- rumor has it the Gov isn't real happy with it as his focus is bipartisan support for transportation issues and this would throw a wrench in those plans.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)This country wouldn't be in the shape it is if he had done so.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Indyfan53
(473 posts)We must encourage the President to use his executive power to stop this! This is also happening in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and other blue states that could go red.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Interfere with a state's right to choose how it appoints electors to the Electoral College as described in Article II, Section I of the Constitution? Assuming he could actually try something, it will never stand in court and the administration needs the ensuing firestorm of federal overreach for partisan gain like a hole in the head. I was under the impression he wanted to get something done in the second term. This isn't it. If you want ANOTHER excuse for Republicans to call for impeachment, this would be a good one, and they might actually have a chance.
The ONLY thing that can be done is a constitutional amendment to trash the Electoral College once and for all.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It is Virginia state senate districts.
toddwv
(2,830 posts)Good luck with that.
CarmanK
(662 posts)Raffi Ella
(4,465 posts)How must it feel to be a member of a party that has to cheat in order to win...and how long do they think they can keep it up? The Demographics are changing and will eventually overtake any effort to cheat their way through.
Enjoy what little power you have while it lasts dumb asses, your days are numbered.
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Seriously?
Are they unhinged?
As for the gerrymandering... they are lower than snakes. The R's gerrymandered the fuck out of PA, too.
Welcome to my world... PA-7:
That shit should be illegal to begin with.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)I see a laughing Mitch McConnell picking John Boehner's nose right over Coatesville.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)juajen
(8,515 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I'm not Will Pitt.
mamayo
(25 posts)the Grand Old Poops will stoop to anything to cheat their way into power
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)But it won't be that way forever -- The ice is cracking under their feet as we speak...
beac
(9,992 posts)a.k.a. today's GOP.
Disgusting, but not beyond belief from these shameless bastards.
mountain grammy
(26,658 posts)Essential that we stay informed on the local level... The shit that happens locally is the most dangerous.
broadcaster75201
(387 posts)nt
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Wind Dancer
(3,618 posts)No, let's blame the people responsible. Try reading the damn article before making stupid statements.
Your comment makes no sense.
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Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,505 posts)indepat
(20,899 posts)groups pose the greatest threat to our country, its people and government, a threat even great than posed by Islamic extremists? And yes, the Republican-controlled legislatures across the country which have passed a passel of rotten ALEC-written laws and retained control of the U.S. House of Representatives through pissy gerrymandering, are, imo, domestic right-wing extremist groups. The threat is real and ever present.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Governor of Virginia Bob McDonnell
Patrick Henry Building, 3rd Floor
1111 East Broad Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Republican Party of Virginia
115 East Grace Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
napi21
(45,806 posts)I'd be HAPPY to write to both of the contacts you listed, but I've tried doing things like that before, and have heard many times from local and Fed. politicians that if you aren't one of a politician's "voters" they don't bother to even read your letter (or email). Many of the members of the US Congress woon't even let you email their office if you aren't in their state or district.
Beowulf42
(206 posts)The reality, in the near term, is this would protect, prohibit, isolate the republicans from actually facing the very demographic factors they should be paying heed to in order to survive over the next 20 - 30 years. Sounds like the dinosaurs praying for more asteroid strikes.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)ME -> HATING Rethuglickans ->
H2O Man
(73,636 posts)I would suggest that "mold never sleeps."
I think it is something the Democrats will need to seek relief from in the courts.
Thank you for this. Recommendation #176.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)Crooked redistricting and honoring Stonewall Jackson instead of MLK on MLK Day. Hmmmm. . .
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)or vacationing in Virginia.
47of74
(18,470 posts)Let the red fucksticks fend for themselves.
dallaslibguy1966104
(15 posts)But then I remember what happened back in 2000. Ever since then, it seems democracy in this country has gone the way of the dodo. I really hope the American people will wake up and realize the dirty actions that the GOP is committing.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Do not need to read more
Indyfan53
(473 posts)We cannot fall asleep in 2014. Let's repeat 2006!
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Pure evil.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)My letter is in the mail this morning.
Republican Party of Virginia
115 East Grace Street
Richmond, VA 23219