Typical. "Two people injured in shooting at Raleigh gun show."

[Lex]

From today --

Witnesses told WRAL that a gun went off after being checked by a law enforcement official at safety check and hit a man in the hand and a woman in the eye.

http://www.wral.com/two-people-injured-in-shooting-at-raleigh-gun-show/12000843/

SMDH.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Nice job with that safety check, Officer.

[Lex]

2. Trained, I'm sure. nt

[Squinch]

3. Probably just the kind of guy Wayne envisions protecting our schools.

[jpak]

65. The gun went off as the owner was unzipping the case to show to the trained officer

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/19/2-wounded-when-gun-goes-off-during-weapons-check-at-gun-show-at-nc-state/

<snip>

The fairground is operated by the state agriculture department. Agency spokesman Brian Long says a 12-gauge shotgun discharged while its owner unzipped its case for a law enforcement officer to check it at a security entrance.

<snip>

The trained officer did not do this.

Trained LEO hate fail.

yup

[Lex]

78. If you think I hate these people

you are beyond "FAIL" yourself.

The shotgun was not handled properly or it WOULD NOT HAVE discharged where it could have possibly hurt anyone.

[mzteris]

30. When I was in highschool

we had a "job fair". Area professionals came and gave talks about their jobs. One of them was a police officer.

He took out his gun to show the class at a kid's request. It went off. Fortunately, it was a "rubber bullet", but it still went through a partition, the door of a cabinet and lodged in the back. One kid - I think his name was John R - felt the bullet whiz by his head, missing him by the barest margin.

Trained police officer.

[kestrel91316]

54. It would never have happened if all the students had been armed.

[Mojorabbit]

51. I know!

I don't go to the gun show very often but the last time I went they checked guns AND put a lock on them before people entered.

[jpak]

56. The gun went off *before* it was checked - dumbass brought a loaded gun

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yup

[Whovian]

4. At least it wasn't the thermo nuclear device that Bubba brought in.

[MineralMan]

5. Lovely. It's a good thing there was a cop there to

make sure the gun wasn't loaded, huh? Morons abound.

[SirRevolutionary]

6. I feel the need to say...

if only everyone at the gun show was armed, this never would have happened.

[Phillip McCleod]

8. lol

[Lex]

14. Yeah, the armed teachers thing

seems like a real good idea, huh?

[SirRevolutionary]

20. Or even better, an armed janitor

if they had one at the gun show, this whole incident could have been avoided.

[Politicalboi]

52. And he could have

Cleaned up the mess. Janitor in a Drum.

[mike dub]

59. *Groan!*

[geckosfeet]

7. "a gun went off" - probably the dumbest phrase in the english language

[Logical]

10. The gun did go off, someone caused it too but it did!

[geckosfeet]

11. Yes - should be "someone caused the gun to off". Guns don't "go off" by themselves.

[riqster]

16. Guns don't go off, people go off. (Nt)

[bunnies]

9. Im trying to gin up some sympathy.

you fuck with a bull, you get the horns.

[yardwork]

12. I notice that gun shows call themselves gun shows.

I used to try to use "firearm" and "weapon" because I was told by, er, gun enthusiasts that those were the proper words, not "gun." Then I noticed that gun shows call themselves things like the Dixie Knife and Gun Show so I went back to using the word gun.

[Lex]

13. Seems more like

dumb shows, considering.

[yardwork]

15. I expect that two or three more people will put me on ignore

for agreeing with you.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

26. Oh, good point!

I've heard the same before, and "gun" shows rips that meme to pieces.

[yardwork]

87. Also, I just realized that yesterday was national Gun Appreciation Day.

[jpak]

58. I call them GOP Douchebag Cavalcades

yup

[csziggy]

61. Notice that "Dixie" is the only two syllable word in that title!

"firearm" and "weapon" might be too much for the enthusiasts to deal with!



Note - I am from the South but many times I just want to

[patrice]

17. If there's one thing Libertarians like more than bitching the rest of us out, it's SUING one another

[petronius]

18. Looks like they corrected a bit: hitting the woman in the side rather than the eye

It would be interesting to know how long "after" the safety check the shot occurred - did it go off while the officer was checking, or did the officer miss a round in the chamber, or did the owner reload after passing the checkpoint? I would have thought that a checked gun would get a band or a zip tie placed to prevent a reload...

[GeorgeGist]

37. You probably thought wrong.

We're not dealing with smart people; for the most part.

[NightWatcher]

19. Gun shows and public shooting ranges scare me

So many times they become "amateur hour". I don't want to be in the same room (or zip code) with unskilled people and deadly weapons. That's why I guess I haven't been to the range since I left the job a few years ago.

Avoid Amateurs with guns.

[Lex]

21. "Avoid Amateurs with guns." Like the police officer who was checking guns at the door?

That's who caused the gun off. I wouldn't think "amateur."

[pasto76]

46. maybe there is a reason he was at the show and not busting criminals

you wouldnt think a US Army SOLDIER would do that either, but they do, all the time. Think of them as "amateur"?


but seriously, unless you have personally, and extensively trained with somebody, you need to be skeptical - __really__ skeptical - of them if they have a gun - which are always potentially loaded, right? - in their hands.

I spent 16 months in Iraq. with the same soldiers. the same squad. Some of them I would never stand in front of.


to get back to the amateur hour at this gun show... they dont have clearing barrels? why was the bullet able to ricochet and/or hit two people? was he pointing it at them? Dont laugh, that happens a lot. It also means to cop pulled the trigger before clearing the weapon. Clearing means dropping the magazine. working the action 2 or more times. VISUALLY INSPECTING THE CHAMBER. Work the action again. Then in the Army we squeeze the trigger to release the springs.


Im not a police officer. But when it comes to handling firearms, you better believe Im a professional. If you arent, people die.

[jeff47]

63. Story says the gun went off after being checked

Looks a lot like the guy reloaded.

[Zoeisright]

22. Yeah, there's all those "responsible" gun humpers again.

God, they're getting dumber and dumber.

[sarisataka]

23. Triple fail

1- A gun is ALWAYS loaded
2- ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
3- ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.

Did I forget to mention

ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.

If checking a gun for clearance, they need a bullet stop- a stack of 2-3 phonebooks work just fine.

[maggiesfarmer]

24. Curious what you mean by "typical".

are shootings considered particular characteristics of gun shows?

I"m not a "gun person" and have never attended a gun show, but I'm suspicious your thread title is misleading. from my first order searching, it appears shootings at gun shows are not "typical".

[Bay Boy]

36. Don't go being all

sensible and everything.

[GeorgeGist]

41. Apparently ...

KNOXVILLE — A vendor at the Knoxville Gun & Knife Show shot himself in the hand while attempting to show off his personal weapon Sunday, according to the police.

Bill Adams, 44, of Kodak, was transported to the University of Tennessee Medical Center with nonlife-threatening injuries following the incident, which was reported at 2:39 p.m., according to Knoxville Police Department spokesman Darrell DeBusk.

Adams, a licensed vendor at the event in the Jacob Building on Magnolia Avenue, apparently was showing his personal concealed weapon — a Kimber .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun — to a customer when the weapon discharged, DeBusk said.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

67. "Father Twice Told Uzi Too Powerful for 8-Year-old Christopher Bizilj"

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-christopher-bizilj-died-firing-uzi-urged-son/story?id=12565132

Yep, all "responsible" adults.

[Special Agent Oso]

44. I thought the same thing

A typical thing is something that happens usually.

[Eleanors38]

62. Uh-oh. Now YOU'LL be an "NRA Talking Point" for bringing up that question.

[DevonRex]

75. Read below. Yes, typical. Page after Google page. nt

[DevonRex]

66. "Man Shot Dead At Gun Show"

http://mobile.news.com.au/breaking-news/man-shot-dead-at-gun-show/story-e6frfku0-1225843419634
"Shooting At Denver Area Gun Show" 03/10
http://www.koaa.com/mobile/news/shooting-at-denver-area-gun-show

[DevonRex]

69. Man shoots himself at East Knoxville gun show:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=shooting%20at%20gun%20show%20kansas&source=web&cd=15&cad=rja&ved=0CEIQFjAEOAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freerepublic.com%2Ffocus%2Ff-chat%2F2839831%2Fposts&ei=sxn7UKuvEMLbrAHpuYDQAQ&usg=AFQjCNG3SccXXmEB3_-w6TZUFU6NRjAMqA&sig2=hgEqOz-_9IX84k4FuENnFQ

[DevonRex]

70. 8-year old kills himself at MA gun show:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27399337/ns/us_news-life/t/boy-accidentally-kills-self-gun-show/

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

72. When you go to a gun show, look up at the ceiling

If there's daylight showing through a bunch of little holes, go to a different gun show.

[DevonRex]

73. 13-year-old AL boy killed at GA gun show

http://savannahnow.com/stories/082302/LOCgunshow.shtml

[maggiesfarmer]

84. terrible story, but one data point doesn't suggest the trend implied by 'typical'

[DevonRex]

85. Did you read all the other links I gave you?

They weren't all by any means. Just got sick of the destruction

Data point? Nice how you can reduce children's deaths to that, even ignore all the other "data points".

[maggiesfarmer]

86. I did. Yes, the count is up to maybe 10 shootings at gun shows, some dating back 4 years.

I'm not reducing children's deaths at all, I'm only reinforcing the point that a single instance, no matter how heinous, or a dozen instances for that matter, doesn't qualify as "typical". We're talking less than 1% occurrence rate.

When Fox News or some other right wing outlet spins a story with a misleading headline, the DU community jumps all over it. I'd like to see us hold DU members to the same standards when we see thread titles inaccurately representing information.

No offense intended.

[DevonRex]

74. Yes, typical. I can go on like this forever. So-called gun people fucking up with their guns.

And only minutes before they were probably bragging about their knowledge, their skill, how they'd never be so stupid as to...

And then someone's child is dead. Someone's eye is gone and they're brain damaged. Someone's hand is useless.

I HAVE been to gun shows. Because I had to go. Not because I wanted to be around the neonazi crap that goes on, or the worship of the almighty gun. But to try to keep an eye on things.

[Eleanors38]

81. So how many? Certainly you have some kind of number or you wouldn't have posted. nt

[DevonRex]

82. Hahaha. nt

[Lex]

77. ** @KagroX: #GunAppreciationDay totals so far: 5 injured in shootings at 3 gun shows **

[maggiesfarmer]

83. approx. 5000 gun shows/year in the US, 4 shootings found by DU members

I think my question regarding the working definition of "typical" is still valid in the context of information linked from this thread.

again, I'm not an advocate of gun shows, but I am an advocate of accurate information being presented. I don't think "shootings at gun shows" meets most understandings of the word "typical".

I think we at DU shouldn't spin stories like Fox News.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. Thaaaaaat's a shame

...

[RKP5637]

27. Guns, gunpowder, bullets and stupid don't mix well. n/t

[Kalidurga]

28. Well I guess he found out the gun wasn't safe.

Not sure if that is an inspection failure or a dumbass failure. I am leaning toward dumbass failure. And now we know why the only safe gun is a non existent gun.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

29. It's a damn shame this happened at a time when they're trying to show how responsible gun shows are.

Just a damn shame, I tell ya.

[Coolest Ranger]

31. I'm surprised

this hasn't happened sooner. Is it me or are people being careless with their weapons

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. Oh, it's not all that uncommon.

Here's a google search results on "accidental shooting gunshow" excluding today's.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=safari&tbo=d&q=accidental+shootings+gun+shows+-raleigh&oq=accidental+shootings+gun+shows+-raleigh&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.3...165548.171334.0.172657.9.9.0.0.0.0.823.2851.0j3j4j0j1j0j1.9.0.les%3B..0.0...1ac.1.mHaDo5SttnU

[Coolest Ranger]

35. Strange

Typical conservative media never reports on those things.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

40. It's in the same ranks as the negligent/accidental discharge of concealed carry incidents.

It gets little press, but that doesn't mean it's not happening. We're just not suppose to be discussing it I guess.

[Duckhunter935]

42. well I see blogs and

multiple copies of news stories. It would be more helpful to know how many gun shows were held and the number of shootings during that time. Google just brings up a lot of noise.

The estimated number of gun shows held each year in the United States can range from 2,000 to 5,200.
http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0707/exec.htm

[Lone_Star_Dem]

43. Whatever gets you through the day.

I said it's not all that uncommon. Which it's not, but I guess some folks only see what they want to.

[Laurian]

33. Thanks. I'd like to see every instance of intentional

and unintentional harm from guns exposed so that the true toll of these weapons can be known and they cannot continue to be glorified.

[exboyfil]

34. They may need to change their byline

http://dixiegunandknifeshow.com/
The Dixie Gun and Knife Classic Shows
have been presented by
Ken Fields Promotions
in NORTH CAROLINA since 1981.

The Carolina's Largest Show of it's Kind!
Buy, Sell, or Trade!

Antique and Modern Guns. Military and Sporting Guns. Surplus and Accessories.

Hunting, Camping and Outdoor Recreational Equipment.

WE NEVER CANCEL!!


Closed for the rest of the day today. Uncertain if they will open tomorrow.

[Bay Boy]

38. So what happened exactly?

Did someone bring a gun into the show to sell and at the door a person did an inspection to see if it was loaded or not?
If so then I must assume it was loaded and while doing the inspection it 'went off'. As someone else said "always assume a gun is loaded and point it in a safe direction".

[lpbk2713]

39. Chalk up two more "empty" gun victims.

Amazing how that works out.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. What we're learning on DU.

By the time Obama submits real policy change on gun control, we on DU will know how to take them apart and clean them based on all the information we're reading.

[Crunchy Frog]

47. ROFL!

Yeah, surrounding yourselves with guns really makes you safe, guys!

[Lex]

79. What they needed was more guns!

Or something.

[Hulk]

48. Oh shit!

Tragic. One person's stupidity leaves one hurt and another mortally hurt. This is so sad. Our fascination with these damn guns is a disease in itself.

[williamc1967txlib]

49. Another day, another shooting in America

How many more such incidents will occur this year, I wonder? Will there be another school shooting, where the body count will be even higher than in Sandy Hook? Very sad.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

50. Well, that's one way to celebrate Gun Appreciation Day.

Fucking dumbasses.

State Fairgrounds officials will hold a press conference at 4:30 p.m. Saturday to provide an update about the incident. WRAL.com will live stream the press conference.

http://www.wral.com/two-people-injured-in-shooting-at-raleigh-gun-show/12000843/

[kestrel91316]

53. This would never have happened if everyone there had had guns.

[samsingh]

55. law of entropy applied to the proliferation of guns

[Berlum]

57. Guns may be part of the problems, but frear-driven gun nuts are the big thang

[Dawson Leery]

60. The gun kooks are the least qualified to carry arms.

[Eleanors38]

64. So, are we to disarm police?

[Dawson Leery]

76. Some cops should never have guns.

[Eleanors38]

80. Speculation here, but hiring a cop to routinely check for a variety of empty weapons...

is not a good idea. Even if the cop knows his firearms, they are HIS firearms. Would he know how to check my semi-auto '03 rifle? I doubt it. It was made in 1905, and works just fine. Most people don't even know how or WHERE it is loaded, including personnel at airports.

[ReformedGOPer]

68. They've updated the story:

Breaking News: Officials said the Dixie Gun and Knife Show will continue Sunday without private gun sales. Three people, including a retired sheriff's deputy, were injured Saturday when a gun brought in by a patron who planned to sell it accidentally discharged.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

71. Yee-haw, off to church, then the gun show!

God Bless America.