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I need more help again responding to FB friends who are Obama haters.
Here is the latest Meme thing that went out today:
The Meme has a picture of Obama winking, next to the text. It was put out by the "Christians against Obama's Re-Election."
Any ideas on how to counter this? No, I'm not a troll. I was accused of that before asking a similar question several months ago. Fortunately, several of you did help me out and I was able to respond back with an intelligent response.
For this one, I was going to counter with "Reagan raised taxes 13 times." But I'd like something a bit more current with more bite to fling back at this guy.
Thanks
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)He gave us a one-year 2% tax break on FICA, which was subsequently extended through 2012. That tax break has expired and we are back to the paying the full 6% tax.
If your FB "friends" look at their old pay stubs, they will see that until something like 2010, they paid 6% FICA.
So it's not a tax increase. It is the end of a tax holiday program.
You can also suggest to them that if they want to see a permanent return to 4% FICA, they should push the President and congress to Lift The CAP. Explain to them that income over xyz dollars (don't remember the current cap) doesn't have *any* FICA tax on it. That only losers like us pay FICA on all of our income. That if we can get congress to LIFT THE CAP and make the wealthy deadbeats pay their fair share, everybody elses' FICA tax can be permanently cut *and* social security will remain fully funded without any need to cut benefits for anybody.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)And it sunsetted. Technically it's not a tax increase but the effect is the same.
We would have been better off keeping the cut and raising or eliminating the cap.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)that they need a new name.
unblock
(52,309 posts)wandy
(3,539 posts)"Taxes are what we pay for civilized society"Oliver Wendell Holmes.
End by telling them.
"Man up or go live in a cave in the woods"The Moose.
pa28
(6,145 posts)FICA was returning to it's regular level no matter who won the election. These are the same people who enjoyed tax cuts after the 2008 election while insisting their taxes went up 'because of Obama'.
Can't argue with them using facts so usually it's best to just smile, nod and keep them away from sharp objects.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)against the reduction and the renewal of the reduction last year. The reduction was done to stimulate the economy, but with the economy now growing, the payroll tax holiday became a victim. President Obama wanted to renew it, but democrats worried about the impact of the reduction on Social Security were not going to cover his back. In the end, republicans got their way to eliminate the payroll tax holiday.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)More that 130 million adults voted in 2008. Nearly 130 million adults voted in 2012.
How many of these people, who are obviously a big chunk of the workforce, missed the fact that their payroll taxes went down a couple of years ago under Obama? It's likely they checked to see why it did then, and learned it was temporary. Even if they didn't and had no clue it was temporary, why on earth would returning to the original payroll tax be a huge shock?
I find it hard to believe that anyone is legitimately complaining about this.
yardwork
(61,700 posts)It's particularly ironic in this case because
1. The original decrease happened during the Obama administration. Did the same people who are complaining now give him credit then for "lowering" our taxes? Guess not, or they wouldn't be "Christians against re-electing Obama."
2. Obama wanted to continue the payroll tax holiday. It was the Republicans in Congress who insisted on letting it expire.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)(which I thought to have been a real dumb idea from the start) not the President. Congress holds the purse strings in our Government, The President can only enforce the laws that they provide to him.
WhollyHeretic
(4,074 posts)zbdent
(35,392 posts)REDUCED the tax by 2 percent???
Plus, Bush's Iraq invasion and occupation cost taxpayers $13,070 PER SECOND. Use that in calculations about how X "entitlement" is costing something.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)...
President Obama had originally sought to extend the payroll tax holiday, but Republican opposition caused the president to effectively scuttle the plan. The tax will hit all Americans, but working Americans the hardest.
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)Do people not have an HR department?
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)oh wait...
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)is the key word here.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)responses in this thread?
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)RB TexLa
(17,003 posts)he did have it in there. The republicans said no to it.