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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLawrence O'Donnel: Obama DOES play 3 deminsional Chess !!!
...basically says 250,000.00 was rich 20 years ago so in today's dollars rich is 390k or 3.6% at 10t during Clinton years!!
Obama got more than expected if what ODonnell is talking about is right
on now
loyalkydem
(1,678 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)elleng
(131,053 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)naviman
(102 posts)That's 1 trillion less than what Obama promised.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)naviman
(102 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)There's a difference between a promise & a plan, a plan can be negotiated. I'm not saying I disagree with you, I wish we would garner that much revenue. Especially if we're serious about paying down the deficit.
naviman
(102 posts)I haven't watched LoD's show yet and he may yet convince me that 250k isn't rich but Obama did promise to make 250k the threshold. And he talked about it ALL the time. And he could have easily done it by going over the cliff. In fact, we did go over the cliff yet Obama still offered 450k.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)uponit7771
(90,348 posts)naviman
(102 posts)doesn't change the fact that Obama broke his promise and it would have been relatively easy for him to keep it.
SunSeeker
(51,638 posts)He used the 400K threshold to bargain for things the country really needed. Of course it would have been "easy" to just extend the Bush tax cuts for $250K and below...IF THAT IS ALL YOU CARED ABOUT. But he also wanted to make sure the 2 MILLION long term unemployed who were about to lose all of their benefits were not suddenly on their own, their families facing homelessness and untold misery. He also got the AMT fixed that caught so many middle class families. You see, this isn't just a game for him. He really cares about all Americans. He wants to do the most good for the most people--even those with no lobbyists in Washington.
Regardless, I don't see it as a broken promise. His promise was to protect the middle class, his goal was to end Bush tax cuts for those above $250k. He didn't quite reach his goal, but he kept his promise.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)then.
it was the DEMOCRATS (Pelosi and Schumer) who wanted to go BEYOND the 250k threshold......
naviman
(102 posts)He represents Wall Str.. wait I mean New York. And it doesn't change the fact that Obama broke a promise.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)Just because you keep saying that does NOT make it true.
And what of Pelosi? How the fuck could Obama get anything out of the house without her support?
Some people are just plain stuck on stupid.
naviman
(102 posts)Remember that? And which House member would have voted against a tax cut on incomes below 250k?
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)I do recall him him promising to negotiate, and $250k was the starting point of the negotiation.
You need to get those voices out of your head.
LuvLoogie
(7,020 posts)Bohner would not have the 85 republican votes that gave him the cover for lifting the Hastert Rule.
malaise
(269,144 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)...with this Republican crazy congress.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Sorry Santa had to negotiate some shit.
Sorry about your sad.
Your claim that 'he could have easily.......' is the tell.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)You don't pay down the deficit... Deficits happen when you overspend your budget. You pay down debt. Debt accumulates from having to many deficits...What it takes to eliminate deficits is to balance the budget. When that happens you can actually create surpluses as Clinton did his last few years.. Clinton was actually beginning to pay down the Debt as well, but Republicans did not like that one bit, hence the shape the country is in at the moment..
ProSense
(116,464 posts)You think Boehner's offers were worth considering?
Boehner was offering $850 billion to $1 trillion with more than $1 trillion in cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Boehner's offers were despicably shitty.
The President got $600 billion and Boehner got nothing, meaning no cuts...nada...zip...zero: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022117451
naviman
(102 posts)This is not the end. Let's tally the result in 2 months and see how much medicare and social security is cut. Remember Obama already offered chained CPI for no reason.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)a good read: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022119480
naviman
(102 posts)because what happens in 2 months is part of the same process.
As for that article, after 4 years of Obama and the Republicans I just do not believe we will get a good deal with the debt ceiling. I would LOVE to be proven wrong but I think that what we will get is a crappy deal but some Liberals will find some BS reasons to defend it anyway.
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)bhikkhu
(10,720 posts)There will be another round of negotiations, and another round of predictions that now the real cuts are coming, now Obama will finally get what he's wanted all along - to slash social programs! He may even mention Social Security by name - and heads will explode, hair will spontaneously combust, forums will light up all across the interverse!
And then after a week or so of violent rhetoric, absurd posturing, dire predictions and obsessive media coverage, we'll get a pretty good deal pushed through and no cuts to social spending.
Sounds about right?
indepat
(20,899 posts)rufus dog
(8,419 posts)other than that number you stated.
does Boener lie?
did you look at the Christy comments today? I answered my own question, Boner lies!
Boener offered jack mother fucking shit! Got it, jack mother fucking shit with no details just a number, so you have a number from a liar.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)nenagh
(1,925 posts)Interesting...
naviman
(102 posts)Remember it's all about revenue. Just because he closes a few symbolic loopholes, it doesn't mean we don't give a huge handout to large corps.
nenagh
(1,925 posts)Solindsey
(115 posts)Are you familiar with the concept?
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)...ass's
Jack Sprat
(2,500 posts)Try telling the vast majority that make less than 45K/yr that 250K doesn't look rich to them.
avebury
(10,952 posts)I felt pretty good about the deal and, after listening to O'Donnell tonight feel even better about it.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)Obama may play chess but he's not very good at it
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)caledesi
(11,903 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)It's what keeps him a class below Maddow, Hayes, et al.
This deal is not the worst that could have happened, nor a huge win.
Cha
(297,497 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Cha
(297,497 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)tearing his hair out and eating it on camera.
but tender subject aside, he is a much better whatevertheycall themselves these days, than either Maddow or Hayes. He gives details about the process that the others don't know about, (but they do have their special niches too) as he did work in the hornets nest a while back in some capacity.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)calling the "compromise" what it is -- a laughably huge gift to Republicans.
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....O'Donnell knows what he's talking about based on actual "in the trenches" work experience:
From 1989 to 1995, he was a key legislative aide to Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan.
* 1989 to 1991: Served as senior advisor to Moynihan.
* 1992 to 1993: Staff director of the US Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works, then chaired by Senator Moynihan.
* 1993 to 1995: Staff director of the US Senate Committee on Finance, once again under Senator Moynihans chairmanship. Led the staff of the Senate's tax-writing committee during the consideration of President Bill Clinton's first budget, which Congress enacted in the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)iemitsu
(3,888 posts)that's where the cut-off for collecting SSI tax ought to be. At least this well-to-do, upper, middle-class set would then be helping to strengthen Social Security.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and he was looking at something a bit higher for the settle.
You don't give your final price right off the hop if you are dealing
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)naviman
(102 posts)gone over the cliff and got an even better deal. Oh and we could have had a much better capital gains and dividends rate, which by the way are now permanent at 20%.
nenagh
(1,925 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....checks on the HOPE of getting a "better deal"??
Wow. Just wow.
Skittles
(153,174 posts)DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Instead, Obama relented, thereby setting up a triple-threat showdown that dwarfs the cliff. Two months from now, the debt limit, the expiration of the continuing resolution, and the automatic spending cuts known as sequestration all kick in at once.
Obama has chosen to keep navigating the same minefield as before in pursuit of a comprehensive deal. Its a different strategy than was employed by the last Democratic president to strike a big budget deal. In 1995, Bill Clinton stared down Newt Gingrich and let the government shut down. Two years later, the fever having broken, the two signed an accord that ultimately balanced the budget.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/editorial/2013/01/03/obama-inexplicable-budget-flinch/G3IlpIS5sWmDcNVlXkZlDI/story.html
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)How about what he said about Reid? Where else can you get good accurate reporting like that?
He is the most knowledgable man in primetime cable news.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Obama did not "win" this, nor did the GOP, and certainly not the American people. It was a compromise. There was no Nth-Dimentional hyper chess, it was just the usual everyday politics in Washington. They settled in the middle.
Obama broke his pledge on the 250K, the GOP broke their pledge not to raise taxes. Note the pattern.
Both took a political hit. It was probably the best deal that both sides could have hoped for, which means pretty much no one is all that thrilled with it other than that they finally accomplished something.
I understand that some want to view this as some massive sell out by (insert party name here). If so, get over it.
I inderstand that some want to convince themselves that this was a huge win for (insert party name here). If so, sorry, it wasn't.
It was politics.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Obama did not 'win' this, nor did the GOP, and certainly not the American people. It was a compromise. There was no Nth-Dimentional hyper chess, it was just the usual everyday politics in Washington. They settled in the middle."
...The American people did win, especially low-income and unemployed Americans.
"Obama broke his pledge on the 250K, the GOP broke their pledge not to raise taxes. Note the pattern. "
President Obama's goal was to not raise taxes on incomes below $250,000. That was accomplished. This deal also raises some taxes on incomes starting at $250,000. The Republicans got their ass kicked on not raising taxes and the President got them to stomp the Hastert Rule to death.
From the White House: 7 Things You Need to Know About the Deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022118640
"Both took a political hit. It was probably the best deal that both sides could have hoped for, which means pretty much no one is all that thrilled with it other than that they finally accomplished something."
You should work for the MSM pushing bullshit false equivalencies. The President got $600 billion in revenues and Boehner got zero in spending cuts. That's not a tie.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022117451
Cha
(297,497 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)...tell me what you believe the GOP Tea-Nazis won.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)None will ever be better.
but the whiners will still whine because they get paid to whine
But savor the victories and tell the whiners to go to the store and buy some more whine
Play Pop-a-top on the jukebox all night and whine like its 1955 all over again
and remind them when they are at their lowest that their hero, Bernie Sanders just enthusiastically sold the whiners down the river by enthusiatically supporting the president
of course, if life were perfect for the whiners, they would be out of a job so they have to whine but like Karl Rove on election night, the whiners have been exposed as people to be pitied, but not copied.
checkmate whiners.
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)synch. Larry O, thanks for verifying my hunch!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)losing their tax cut is better than no one. You have to start somewhere. I am willing to oback to Clinton era tax rates, but to many aren't.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)quelle surprise
And Obama masterfully negotiated another $90 billion in tax cuts for people making over $250,000.
Which is exactly what liberals were hoping their own Capablanca would accomplish!
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)So 400k is even higher...