*POTUS to speak at 5:45!

[elleng]

[Lionessa]

1. If only he had any credibility when he speaks anymore.

Chained CFI indeed. Just the last in a long list .... more to come no doubt.

[msongs]

2. we will hear the latest. hopefully the potus will speak as the election winner nt

[Lionessa]

5. F' what he SAYS, he hasn't honored much of what he's said over the past four years

most of which sounded really good, till he pissed them away in one epic cave after another.

[spanone]

104. go away.

[phleshdef]

3. He has more credibility when he speaks than you do when you post.

[FreeState]

6. +1 n/t

[zappaman]

8. +1000 n/t

[NYC Liberal]

16. Heh.

[SidDithers]

40. Yup...

Sid

[sharp_stick]

42. No shit

[CakeGrrl]

48. +1000

Some are a little too tipsy from drinking the MSM speculation drivel at every turn.

[OldDem2012]

49. LOL!! Well said! nt.

[Cha]

74. I'd say.. Exponentially! thanks pleshdef nm

[RomneyLies]

91. +1,000,000,000,000 n/t

[unblock]

4. announcing a press conference??? how dare he!

[Lionessa]

7. Puleeze, anyone excited because Obama is speaking is pretty f'ing naive.

[unblock]

11. and what is someone who feel compelled to insult him prior to hearing what he has to say?

[Lionessa]

12. Aware and experienced with his continual reversals of promise.

[unblock]

19. before he even speaks! what an amazing skill!

in fact it appears that there's been no deal, not even any further offer from the white house, so this is likely just to be posturing.
alternatively, or maybe in addition to fiscal cliff discussion, he might formally announce kerry as his nominee for secretary of state.

but i suppose that's just another massive cave/broken promise?

[Lionessa]

28. Really obtuse, there huh?

The only way your comments would have any validity is if none of us had ever experienced any of Obama's many speeches and answered nor any of his subsequent caves and roll overs.

[unblock]

38. pot, meet kettle...

you come out swinging with the no credibility and predictions of a massive cave before hearing him speak.

THAT's not obtuse?

[liberal N proud]

46. You beat me to that comment.

I was looking for an appropriate place to stick it.

Someone got up on the wrong side of the election.

[choie]

56. Agreed....Past is prologue..

[SidDithers]

62. Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt

Sid

[Lionessa]

63. It's only speculation if one has had one's head in the sand for four years, including

the past two weeks.

[SidDithers]

87. It's a win-win for you though, eh?...

If Obama comes out with bad news, you can shriek over an over "See!! I told you he was going to screw us!!1!"

And if he comes out with good news, you can shriek over and over "He's lying to us again!! He's going to flip flop!! He always does!!1!11".

Either way, you're happy because you get to rail against Obama.

Sid

[Lionessa]

89. It's only a win for me or most of the 98% once he does what he says.

[FourScore]

21. Why are you here? We got your displeasure with your first post in this thread.

Really need to hammer this one home?

[Lionessa]

24. To do as Obama asked... keeping the pressure on.

[unblock]

29. saying he has no credibility is writing him off, not giving constructive criticism.

[Lionessa]

60. Challenging him to live up to his words does.

[RomneyLies]

92. Then I'd suggest you actually do that rather than simply hurl insults

that are completely meaningless.

[Lionessa]

94. Challenges come in many forms. You don't have to like them.

[MrMickeysMom]

106. Yes... challenges come in many forms....

[Control-Z]

31. .

[SidDithers]

51. ...

Pull the other leg.

Sid

[CakeGrrl]

53. Hah!!!

Let me try this:

"Hey, employee of mine! You suck and I don't believe a word you say before you say it!"

I'm sure they'll be TOTALLY motivated to do a better job for me. Isn't that just the incentive YOU would like to hear?

[Cha]

76. Yeah, that works so well. Basic understanding of human nature goes

a long way.

[NYC Liberal]

57. I'm pretty sure Obama doesn't have time to read DU

So posts on DU are not "pressuring" anyone, nor are they "speaking truth to power" or "holding feet to the fire".

[Control-Z]

61. You said that so much

better (nicer) than I could ever have. Thank you.

[phleshdef]

81. Thanks. The delusions of grandeur people get from pissing and moaning on the internet are amusing.

[Control-Z]

26. That one hates the president.

I'm not sure how it remains here at DU.

[Lionessa]

33. I don't hate anyone, but I surely am not blind, nor deaf, nor stupid.

He speaks well, then he caves. AS soon as he quits that, I'll quit calling him on it.

[Control-Z]

44. I'll take your word

that you're not blind of deaf. The way you behave on DU leaves anything else wide open.

[Warren Stupidity]

45. Shouldn't you wait for something tangible to be angry about before spewing?

[Lionessa]

50. Did you wear earplugs and blinders for the past four years????

It's not like Obama's game is in any way new to him, or to any true progressives that have been paying attention.

[Warren Stupidity]

68. Hmmmm.... I voted with my eyes open in 2008.

We got more or less the crappy health care reform he promised, minus the public option.
We got out of Iraq as promised.
We got deeper into Afganistan as promised.
We got rid of dadt, as promised.
We got an executive order instead of the dream act, but after 2010 no legislation was coming out of congress.
We didn't have a massive financial collapse, which was a very real possibility in 2009.
We got some re-regulation of Wall Street, a lot less than I wanted.
We got Osama bin Laden, as promised.
We now have a party and a president that openly support marriage equality.

On the other hand, we got drone wars and executive kill lists and I hate that.
Gitmo didn't get closed.
Wall Street continues to call the shots.
Obama continues to negotiate with nut jobs as if they were reasonable people.

I have no idea who you thought you were voting for in 2008 and 2012. I voted for a center right moderate democrat. The alternative was a far right republican idiot. Both times.

[dhill926]

70. I do believe you have....

summed this up quite well. Wish I could rec.....

[SidDithers]

73. Well said...nt

Sid

[DevonRex]

69. You just never get tired of insulting people.

It is hilarious that you call it holding Obama's feet to the fire, though. You do get your Obama swipes in, sure. But mostly it's insults to other posters. It seems that the Obama stuff is just the means to the real end. That's my observation, anyway.

[phleshdef]

82. You are not even remotely close to being an authority on what constitutes a true progressive.

[Summer Hathaway]

84. I love the irony!

You accuse others of wearing earplugs and blinders, while you sit there with your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears yelling, "La, la, la - I won't listen to a word Obama says because I already know what he's going to say."

[Lionessa]

86. How would I know how poorly he's honored what he's said if I wasn't listening?

First I listen, then I watch, and to date he's not aligned his actions with his words.

[Summer Hathaway]

90. Well, luckily for the country

the majority of the voters don't see things your way.

[Lionessa]

93. In what world are the average citizens of this country lucky these days?

In your dream world? Just because a majority, including me, can see one evil as less than another, does NOT imply that we see goodness or luck in any way.

[Summer Hathaway]

96. You assume that a majority of voters

voted for Obama on the basis that he was the lesser of two evils. That is an assumption made in your own 'dream world', with no factual basis to support it.

But, by all means, keep dreaming - it's all people like you have left to cling to, along with your obvious hatred of the man, and your insistence that he's never followed-through on his word, and that he hasn't accomplished anything of consequence.

I have a lot more respect for those who come right out and say, "I hate this president, and here's why ...," rather than couching their vitriol in BS statements like the ones you post here continually.

And BTW - and this goes for you, and a lot of others of your ilk - despite your claims of being 'true progressives', I sincerely doubt that you'd recognize a real progressive if they walked up to you on the street and kicked you in the ass.

[Lionessa]

100. I see you can't answer the question as asked.

I can even answer a few. and HAVE, and HAVE given kudos to Obama when due, for example,

He change of opinion on gay marriage, which I believe is the main reason for the success of LGBT rights in the past year and a half.

He has put forth the Dream Act forcefully. I totally gave and give him hats off for that.

Interesting that I can answer my own question, even though I supposedly hate him, and you can only spew vitriol at me.

[Summer Hathaway]

101. I'm not quitre sure

what "question" you asked that I haven't answered. But it's a busy thread, so I am assuming you have inadvertently responded to the wrong person.

[Lionessa]

102. So you're just ranting at me regardless of what I type... Well thanks for the honestly, finally.

[Summer Hathaway]

103. You mentioned a question I had not answered

So I re-read our exchange, and I don't see any question posed.

The fact that you see my reply that you might have inadvertently responded to me by mistake on a busy thread as a "rant against you, regardless of what you type" is very telling.

You might want to turn the paranoia down a notch.

[FarPoint]

64. I'm paying close attention this week...

I appreciate the President speaking to us. I also am excited about the President being scheduled to be interviewed Sunday on "Meet the Press".

I'm not f'ing naive either.

You are not very popular ya know.

[Control-Z]

10. When did he ever have credibility

with you? We all know how you feel about the president.

[Lionessa]

34. You are correct. To date, he has never earned any credibility.

That's a reflection on him, not me.

[Control-Z]

71. Well aren't you sounding

spoiled.

You may be the angriest, most miserable human being I've ever run across. I'm sorry for you. Really. I've had some bad days myself, but not every day like it appears to be for you. I hope whatever is wrong with your life gets better. No one should be so unhappy all the time.

[JoePhilly]

41. Which explains the huge drop in his approval ... yup!!

[Lionessa]

47. He's diaappointed before, he'll likely do it again.

I approve of Obama being president, particularly when compared to the other choices. And as many, were I to be polled I'd say I support the President in hopes that a huge support number would convince him to SUPPORT US IN RETURN, but to date, I haven't seen it.

[JoePhilly]

55. So make a concrete prediction of how he will screw us next.

Is he going to cut Social Security as part of a deal this week?

[Lionessa]

59. You mean like he did last weeK?

Who knows, could be even worse, he might cave by nearly a trillion in tax cuts for the 2%,... oh, wait, he did that last week too.

[JoePhilly]

67. What deal was made last week?

If such a deal became law, I'm sure I would have heard about it.

[OldDem2012]

52. Putting certain posters on "ignore" ia a lot like playing whack-a-mole....

...you get one and three more pop up.

[Lionessa]

54. Putting anyone on ignore is close minded.

[rufus dog]

75. not when I have to go down over 50 post to get anything meaningful

For Fucksake give it a break, you got your point across with the first post, the rest are just annoying.

[Lionessa]

77. Apparently "meaningful" means agreeing with you.

Otherwise I can't imagine that you only read meaningful things unless you are a rare one that never reads any fiction and believes every article you read.
If you don't want a response to your comments, don't comment.

[rufus dog]

95. not my definition by a long shot

you may want to heed the advice of many, perhaps you are being overly agressive with your point. Feel free to respond, I won't respond back, because I am not going to support someone's post count.

[muriel_volestrangler]

107. You're in this thread, calling other people 'close minded'?

[Cha]

72. If only you had any cred with your constant

hatin' on President Obama. It's freaking hilarious..and boringly predictable.

[Lionessa]

83. Don't hate a man I've never met, but surely hate his policies.

But then I'm a liberal progressive Democrat. Not a Third Way DLCer.

[Cha]

97. President Obama is Progressive..

"Obama Ends ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Policy"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/us/23military.html

"Obama Endorses Same-Sex Marriage Initiatives In 3 States"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/26/obama-same-sex-marriage_n_2020733.html
.
"Obama Says Same-Sex Marriage Should Be Legal"

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/us/politics/obama-says-same-sex-marriage-should-be-legal.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"We'll Keep This List Going. Here are 206 Obama Accomplishments, With Citations! He's Done Plenty!"

http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/what-has-obama-done-since-january-20-2009.html

"ObamaCare Facts: Facts on the Obama Health Care Plan

ObamaCare Facts 2012 - We Tell you the Facts, Not The Talking Points"

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

[UnrepentantLiberal]

9. Thanks for the heads up.

[Siwsan]

13. Thanks!

[elleng]

14. Thanks to those who thanked me for posting the 'alert' that POTUS to speak;

NO THANKS to those who disparage his work.

[madokie]

17. Its funny all of a sudden I went from seeing about a dozen replies

to seeing only 4 now. Amazing how that works.

[elleng]

22. Right, madokie.

Maybe 'cause people home for holidays, and bored, nothing better to do than complain about a post that the President will speak???

[madokie]

25. I'm listening to that speech now

and true to form he isn't caving like so many here accuse him of doing

[narnian60]

36. Thank you.

[malaise]

30. I dare Mitch to filibuster the up or down vote

for taxes for the 250,000 and below.

[madokie]

15. Thanks

Methinks our President has had his fill of republiCON obstructionism.

[riderinthestorm]

18. Thanks! I never would have known. nt

[steve2470]

20. live link:

http://www.c-span.org/Events/White-House-Top-Lawmakers-Hold-Fiscal-Cliff-Talks-Pres-Obama-to-Deliver-Remarks/10737436902-4/

[Viva_La_Revolution]

32. thanks! nt

[steve2470]

23. k&r nt

[malaise]

27. Up or down vote

on taxes for the middle class.

Sweet!!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

35. Did I miss it?

I didn't even know until now.

[steve2470]

39. you did, sorry nt

[Agschmid]

37. I don't even get this anymore... what is going on?

This is like the twilight zone.

[Brother Buzz]

43. Obama told the pubs to shit or get off the pot

[Posteritatis]

58. Or what, he'll tell them again? (nt)

[Lionessa]

85. ROFLMAO! Perfect response. Well said.

[JoePhilly]

98. But I thought he was supposed to cave and give them everything they wanted.

At least that's the current DU common wisdom.

[Lionessa]

99. "supposed to," I don't think so. Probably will based on past performance, likely.

[janx]

65. I missed this. Is it online somewhere?

[steve2470]

66. already over, some news articles out now nt

[RKP5637]

79. Here it is ...

http://uneditedpolitics.com/

[janx]

108. Thank you!

[RKP5637]

109. Yep!

[robinlynne]

78. Isn't it already 7Pm eastern time??

[PCIntern]

80. Great minds think alike...

Maybe it's Rethuglican time...I.e. lying about the time of day.

[greatauntoftriplets]

88. Thanks for posting this, elleng.

[MrMickeysMom]

105. 0545 hours?

really?