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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 06:03 PM Dec 2012

Hello, my little pretties! Time for your Friday Afternoon Challenge: “Wild Manners of Fantasy and

Invention"

Let’s see if you know any of this rather odd (but kinda fun) stuff ....

And be good, now...don’t cheat...or if you do, don’t “guess”...
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Hello, my little pretties! Time for your Friday Afternoon Challenge: “Wild Manners of Fantasy and (Original Post) CTyankee Dec 2012 OP
Is #6 a Goya? broiles Dec 2012 #1
no. CTyankee Dec 2012 #3
As you can see from below, you had the right nationality for the painter. CTyankee Dec 2012 #23
I got the subject matter of #1 right but never heard of the painter. Shrike47 Dec 2012 #2
do you know the painter's name? CTyankee Dec 2012 #4
Yes but I cheated. Shrike47 Dec 2012 #5
Interesting painting, no? CTyankee Dec 2012 #6
#6: El Greco - Fable pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #7
Hmm, You know I thought it was more shrouded in mystery than that! Glad to hear the CTyankee Dec 2012 #9
These are tough! pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #17
It was an interesting time in art history, to say the least... CTyankee Dec 2012 #20
#4 is very familiar! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #8
No, there is no Rape of Lucrece here... CTyankee Dec 2012 #10
Thanks! I always enjoy your Friday challenges! CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #11
thanks, but some of these are a little weird...I wonder about that era in art... CTyankee Dec 2012 #15
Thanks. Actually, the theme of the painting you commented on is quite a popular one CTyankee Dec 2012 #16
Oh, dear, where are my art history majors? CTyankee Dec 2012 #12
or you could just caption them. wyldwolf Dec 2012 #13
You know, I thought of that! CTyankee Dec 2012 #14
A guess on #2... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #18
oh, is THAT what he's doing with the scales? I was wondering (not brought up CTyankee Dec 2012 #19
That's just a guess based on other Last Judgment depictions pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #21
I should have known that since I have seen the van der weyden before. CTyankee Dec 2012 #22
St. Michael is a natty dresser... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #24
Well the artist who did this St. Michael also did another, more famous, one and it was CTyankee Dec 2012 #25
Crivelli or Piero? pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #27
Wow,you know your St. Michaels! Both of those are fabulous, but this isn't one of them. CTyankee Dec 2012 #32
#2 horseshoecrab Dec 2012 #49
Congratulations, horseshoecrab! pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #50
Thanks pinboy3niner! horseshoecrab Dec 2012 #52
any idea of what appears to be a medallion on St. Michaels elbow? CTyankee Dec 2012 #54
Just... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #55
OK, you get to rest now, but you better be in good shape for next week! CTyankee Dec 2012 #56
do you have a guess on the flying house? CTyankee Dec 2012 #26
The flying house one is driving me nuts Warpy Dec 2012 #28
It refers to a legend about the Holy Family's house that dates back to the 13th CTyankee Dec 2012 #31
Found the legend: The Translation of the Holy House of Loreto pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #36
Thanks, I hadn't seen the Gatti work, which treats the subject with more typical CTyankee Dec 2012 #40
Here's your Crivelli and Piero CTyankee Dec 2012 #44
i think you mean elvis costello. HiPointDem Dec 2012 #57
I can't believe I screwed that up. CTyankee Dec 2012 #60
:>) HiPointDem Dec 2012 #61
Yes, I remember that one Warpy Dec 2012 #58
Hey, you're one of the sane ones. I'm more than a little crazy over art... CTyankee Dec 2012 #62
You and me both! pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #53
No.1 - is it Susannah and the Elders? velvet Dec 2012 #29
It is not Parmagianino, but you nailed the theme. CTyankee Dec 2012 #30
So it's by Allori, I see from your post below velvet Dec 2012 #64
oh, he's a fine artist. Of all the Mannerists, he's one I really like... CTyankee Dec 2012 #66
Is is because most "Susannah and the Elders" paintings depict the elders entanglement Dec 2012 #65
perhaps! Mannerist turbulence here...what you can't see is the lower edgeof the CTyankee Dec 2012 #67
HINT: the period of time covered with all of these paintings except for #3 is between CTyankee Dec 2012 #33
#4 horseshoecrab Dec 2012 #34
thanks. this particular era isn't very popular and it didn't last long. Its rejection of CTyankee Dec 2012 #35
A cloud! TuxedoKat Dec 2012 #38
#5 Walter Keane suffragette Dec 2012 #37
You might call Fiorentino the Keane of his time...I mean really. CTyankee Dec 2012 #41
Yes, can't say I connect to any of it suffragette Dec 2012 #70
and yet there are some art scholars who find their works delightful. CTyankee Jan 2013 #71
#5 : Rosso Fiorentino - Holy Family with the Young Saint John the Baptist pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #39
Now you see where I got the name for my Challenge! (I love stealing this stuff). CTyankee Dec 2012 #42
Do you mean #3? pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #43
sorry, I meant #1. CTyankee Dec 2012 #45
I was hoping someone had gotten that one... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #46
He is alessandro allori who was raised by Bronzini, both big Mannerists. CTyankee Dec 2012 #47
Thanks! I just learned the legend of 'Susanna and the Elders'... pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #48
referenced in leonard cohen's 'hallelujah' i think... wait, no delilah & bathsheba... HiPointDem Dec 2012 #59
AHA! #3: Annibale Carracci - Translation of the Holy House (aka Madonna of Loreto) pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #51
Caravaggio: keepin' it real! velvet Dec 2012 #63
I actually designed an Independent Study in grad school just on Caravaggio but it CTyankee Dec 2012 #68
Thank you velvet Dec 2012 #69

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. As you can see from below, you had the right nationality for the painter.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:15 AM
Dec 2012

The Spanish artists of that day had that religious mysticism thing goiing, altho Goya was pretty much anti-clerical as befitted his era. This predates Goya...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. #6: El Greco - Fable
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:20 PM
Dec 2012
An Allegory with a Boy Lighting a Candle in the Company of an Ape and a Fool (Fábula)

The central figure is closely based on El Greco's earlier painting of a Boy Blowing on an Ember in Naples but the scene has been enlarged to include another male figure, wearing a yellow jacket and red cap, and a chained monkey, who emerges from the darkness on the left to look over the boy's shoulder. The composition, known in two other autograph versions (one in Edinburgh from around 1590, and another in private collection from around 1578), has usually been interpreted as an allegory with some sort of moralising intent; it is unlikely that it was conceived simply as a genre scene. It bears the traditional title 'Fábula', meaning fable or story.

http://www.wga.hu/html_m/g/greco_el/14/1409gred.html

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. Hmm, You know I thought it was more shrouded in mystery than that! Glad to hear the
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:23 PM
Dec 2012

explanation, Pinboy! You are a delight!

Any other guesses?

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,631 posts)
8. #4 is very familiar!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:22 PM
Dec 2012

Could it be "The Rape of Lucrece"?

That just popped into my head!

They are all wonderful and beautiful!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. Thanks. Actually, the theme of the painting you commented on is quite a popular one
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:31 PM
Dec 2012

in those days. There have been numerous interpretations of what this depicts...hey, that is a hint everybody!

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
13. or you could just caption them.
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:31 PM
Dec 2012

The one with the crack pipe and baboon is dying for something witty.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
14. You know, I thought of that!
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 08:13 PM
Dec 2012

I had a few choice ones, like with the flying house ("do angels fly backwards?&quot .

there is some interesting theology afoot here, that is for sure...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
18. A guess on #2...
Fri Dec 28, 2012, 11:33 PM
Dec 2012

I haven't found this particular work, but it looks like a depiction of St. Michael weighing the souls.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. oh, is THAT what he's doing with the scales? I was wondering (not brought up
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 12:54 AM
Dec 2012

religiously). What did i say about the theology here?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
21. That's just a guess based on other Last Judgment depictions
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:00 AM
Dec 2012

Like this one:

Rogier Van Der Weyden - St. Michael Weighing the Souls from the Last Judgement


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
22. I should have known that since I have seen the van der weyden before.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:08 AM
Dec 2012

No wonder St. Michael is a favorite with artists. Have you noticed he always is wearing the snazziest outfits?

Wow, look at that gorgeous cloak! And those peacock inspired wings!

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
24. St. Michael is a natty dresser...
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:25 AM
Dec 2012

...even in the paintings of him battling satan. It must be an Archangel thing...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. Well the artist who did this St. Michael also did another, more famous, one and it was
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:29 AM
Dec 2012

one I had included in a previous Challenge.

I just love posting different artists ideas of what St. Michael wore...

Sometimes ithink I was deprived as a kid, growing up without religious art all around me. I was vaguely Protestant...no archangels...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. Wow,you know your St. Michaels! Both of those are fabulous, but this isn't one of them.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:25 AM
Dec 2012

different era...

horseshoecrab

(944 posts)
49. #2
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:48 PM
Dec 2012

I remembered the other St. Michael and Satan from a previous challenge, so was able to check to see if #2 is a Bronzino too.

#2 is simply called Saint Michael the Archangel by Agnolo Bronzino.

Killer challenge! I searched for ... i don't know how long ... for something about the weighing of the souls by Michael. Doesn't seem to have a title that refers to that aspect of the painting, pinboy39er.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
50. Congratulations, horseshoecrab!
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:16 PM
Dec 2012

That was tough, and my searches on St. Michael didn't turn up that work. The 'weighing' reference was one I stumbled onto in searching, and I also spent time trying to follow that path.


Nice work!

horseshoecrab

(944 posts)
52. Thanks pinboy3niner!
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:58 PM
Dec 2012

I definitely felt your pain as you searched and reported back! None of my St. Michael, Michael Archangel, or even Michael archangel with scales searches turned up what we were looking for either.

It was only after I read CTyankee's clue - that we'd seen the artist's other Michael once before in a challenge - that I remembered Bronzino.






CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
54. any idea of what appears to be a medallion on St. Michaels elbow?
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:16 PM
Dec 2012

It looks similar to the medallion that fastens St. Michael's cloak in the Van der Weyden...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. OK, you get to rest now, but you better be in good shape for next week!
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:24 PM
Dec 2012


Thanks for making my day with great conversation about art!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
26. do you have a guess on the flying house?
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 01:31 AM
Dec 2012

It was done by a contemporary of Caravaggio, who did a more famous version of the "story." Caravaggio would have none of flying houses in his version...

Warpy

(111,271 posts)
28. The flying house one is driving me nuts
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:40 AM
Dec 2012

It's not the Assumption or the Coronation because she's sitting on the stable with a kid in her lap. The crown is not being set on her head--yet.

It's a really weird picture and I know I've seen it before.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
31. It refers to a legend about the Holy Family's house that dates back to the 13th
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:23 AM
Dec 2012

century. Caravaggio did his own version (VERY different) from this one.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
36. Found the legend: The Translation of the Holy House of Loreto
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:26 PM
Dec 2012

Still looking for the original work, but there are other depictions...


Saturnino Gatti - The Translation of the Holy House of Loreto



The Holy House of Loreto
http://www.salvemariaregina.info/MarianShrines/Loretto.html

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
40. Thanks, I hadn't seen the Gatti work, which treats the subject with more typical
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:48 PM
Dec 2012

Renaissance reserve and decorum.

If you look around at a google page on Caravaggio paintings you will find his version...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
44. Here's your Crivelli and Piero
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

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Ya think Springsteen saw this before writing about angels wanting his red shoes?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
60. I can't believe I screwed that up.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:27 PM
Dec 2012

It is a little strange, don't you think? Maybe Elvis saw this work at some point and it made an impression...I'd like to think so!

Thanks for the heads up...

Warpy

(111,271 posts)
58. Yes, I remember that one
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 06:16 PM
Dec 2012

I'm unaware of the legend and the painter of this one.

That's what I get for being a nurse and not an art historian.

velvet

(1,011 posts)
29. No.1 - is it Susannah and the Elders?
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 05:35 AM
Dec 2012

Could it be by Parmagianino, with that stretched Mannerist torso?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
30. It is not Parmagianino, but you nailed the theme.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 08:22 AM
Dec 2012

Altho it is (to me) one of the strangest renderings of Susannah and the Elders that is out there in art history!

velvet

(1,011 posts)
64. So it's by Allori, I see from your post below
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:45 AM
Dec 2012

Never heard of him, but no surprise that he was taught by Bronzino. It reminded me of this ...




ETA: I discovered Bronzino did some very fine portraits when I went looking for this painting. He wasn't all bend and stretch.

entanglement

(3,615 posts)
65. Is is because most "Susannah and the Elders" paintings depict the elders
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 09:53 AM
Dec 2012

in a voyeuristic as opposed to a more violent manner shown here?

Thanks

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
67. perhaps! Mannerist turbulence here...what you can't see is the lower edgeof the
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:02 AM
Dec 2012

painting, where you can see the old bastard's hand disappear beteeen her legs...ugh...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. HINT: the period of time covered with all of these paintings except for #3 is between
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 11:12 AM
Dec 2012

the High Renaissance and the Baroque period (#3 is Baroque, but I couldn't resist putting it in this mix because of its basic charming nuttiness...blame the Council of Trent).

horseshoecrab

(944 posts)
34. #4
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:12 PM
Dec 2012

#4 is Jupiter and Io aka Zeus and Io, by Correggio.

Found by google image search on "woman embraced by cloud."

Hiya CTYankee. Tough challenge! Tough is good though.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. thanks. this particular era isn't very popular and it didn't last long. Its rejection of
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:20 PM
Dec 2012

Renaissance ideals of balance and harmony can be pretty grating.

Did you have any guesses on the weird Holy Family grouping? That artist was certifiable...altho that work is currently on exhibit at the Morgan Library in NYC...

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
37. #5 Walter Keane
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:29 PM
Dec 2012

Ok, obviously not, but I couldn't resist since that painting so reminds me of all those giant-eyed children prints from the 1970s.


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
41. You might call Fiorentino the Keane of his time...I mean really.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:54 PM
Dec 2012

If you click on his paintings you'll see more weird stuff, tho not all of it is quite this nutty. He was a crazy man for sure.

I've never quite figured out Mannerism. At one point I wondered if it had anything to do with the Counter Reformation but evidently people just got tired of the Renaissance ideal and wanted a more freewheeling style, with floating bodies in space, lack of linear perspective and bizarre looking people (Madonna of the Long Neck by Parmagianino and lots of El Greco's stretched out, whitened bodies combined with the Spanish penchant for mysticism).

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
70. Yes, can't say I connect to any of it
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:19 PM
Dec 2012

anymore than I did to Keane's works. It's a bit like feeling woozy and looking at someone through a glass or bowl. Or maybe just off like a funhouse mirror (which I always found vaguely creepy).

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
71. and yet there are some art scholars who find their works delightful.
Tue Jan 1, 2013, 03:06 AM
Jan 2013

I'm not getting that vibe...even some later Michelangelo puts me off...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
39. #5 : Rosso Fiorentino - Holy Family with the Young Saint John the Baptist
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:34 PM
Dec 2012

Got it only from your tip on the Morgan.

Fantasy and Invention: Rosso Fiorentino and Sixteenth-Century Florentine Drawing
http://www.themorgan.org/exhibitions/exhibition.asp?id=66

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
42. Now you see where I got the name for my Challenge! (I love stealing this stuff).
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 02:56 PM
Dec 2012

Have you figured out who did #6?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
43. Do you mean #3?
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:06 PM
Dec 2012

#6 is El Greco (see Post #7). Will go back to find #3 (and the Caraveggio) after my eyes unglaze from looking at too many images...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
46. I was hoping someone had gotten that one...
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:19 PM
Dec 2012

...so we'd be nearly done.

That one is tough to research without an inkling of the theme or the subjects. And I just haven't a clue.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
47. He is alessandro allori who was raised by Bronzini, both big Mannerists.
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:28 PM
Dec 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Allori

Save up your energy for next Friday! But I promise it won't be so hard...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
48. Thanks! I just learned the legend of 'Susanna and the Elders'...
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 03:42 PM
Dec 2012

As the story goes, a fair Hebrew wife named Susanna was falsely accused by lecherous voyeurs. As she bathes in her garden, having sent her attendants away, two lustful elders secretly observe the lovely Susanna. When she makes her way back to her house, they accost her, threatening to claim that she was meeting a young man in the garden unless she agrees to have sex with them.

She refuses to be blackmailed and is arrested and about to be put to death for promiscuity when a young man named Daniel interrupts the proceedings, shouting that the elders should be questioned to prevent the death of an innocent. After being separated, the two men are questioned about details (cross-examination) of what they saw but disagree about the tree under which Susanna supposedly met her lover. In the Greek text, the names of the trees cited by the elders form puns with the sentence given by Daniel. The first says they were under a mastic (ὑ?? ??ί???, hupo schinon), and Daniel says that an angel stands ready to cut (??ί???, schisei) him in two. The second says they were under an evergreen oak tree (ὑ?? ??ί???, hupo prinon), and Daniel says that an angel stands ready to saw (??ί???, prisai) him in two. The great difference in size between a mastic and an oak makes the elders' lie plain to all the observers. The false accusers are put to death, and virtue triumphs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susanna_(Book_of_Daniel)

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
51. AHA! #3: Annibale Carracci - Translation of the Holy House (aka Madonna of Loreto)
Sat Dec 29, 2012, 04:37 PM
Dec 2012

And the Caravaggio:

"But Caravaggio's Madonna di Loreto (also known as the Madonna of the Pilgrims), painted the exact same year, is something else entirely. As Peter Robb puts it in his engrossing M, the man who became Caravaggio, "a flying house with clouds, sunlight and angels around it and the Madonna on board--no way [Caravaggio] was doing that." Instead he chose to depict a young, beautiful Madonna holding an overly-large Christ on the doorstep of an ordinary house. Before them, two ragged pilgrims kneel in adoration."

(More discussion of both works at link)
http://thepinesofrome.blogspot.com/2012/02/madonna-of-loreto-caravaggio-vs.html

Caravaggio: Madonna di Loreto


velvet

(1,011 posts)
63. Caravaggio: keepin' it real!
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 06:25 AM
Dec 2012

Thanks for posting this. So much better, to my eyes, than Caracci's. Drama, not melodrama.

Peter Robb's "M" is a good read. Though you can't read it as a biography because, as Robb himself says, there is too little documented info on Caravaggio's life to write one.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
68. I actually designed an Independent Study in grad school just on Caravaggio but it
Sun Dec 30, 2012, 11:07 AM
Dec 2012

wasn't an art history project exactly. It was done from the perspective of my graduate program, Liberal Studies. I did read the Robb book and found it wonderfully witty and lovely in how much he really appreciated Caravaggio for his humanistic impulses.

For a nice (big) book on Caravaggio's works in comparison to other of his contemporary artists, Catherine Puglisi's fine "Caravaggio." It was published about 10 years ago or so...and this is where I got the Caracci flying house...

velvet

(1,011 posts)
69. Thank you
Mon Dec 31, 2012, 04:09 AM
Dec 2012

For pointing me to Catherine Puglisi's book, and thanks for the fascinating thread.

Looking forward to your next week's challenge.

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