RIP, Joe Pa

[MrScorpio]

And I say this as a Wolverine fan.

[Scuba]

1. I loved Red Dawn.

[SidDithers]

2. Confirmed now?..nt

Sid

[MrScorpio]

7. I just got a push through the AP that the family confirmed his passing.

No links, on iPod now. Sportscenter app just did the same.

[William769]

3. Hasn't this been debunked?

That he is still alive?

Or did I miss this memo also?

[etherealtruth]

4. New CNN banner confirms

[William769]

6. Thanks, I see that now.

R.I.P. Joe

[Fawke Em]

8. It's on Weekends with Alex Witt, now. eom

[Botany]

5. I was a huge Joe Pa fan until last fall but in the end I hope ...

.... his good deeds out weigh the scandal.

[DrDan]

9. RIP Joe

[etherealtruth]

10. Thanks for posting

I say this as a Spartan fan (i have had no choice but to switch my allegiance this fall)

[lunatica]

11. In the end he disappointed everyone deeply

And he rode the wave of fame and fortune and respect for years after having failed so utterly as a human being.

[Pathwalker]

13. Jerry Sandusky Jerry Sandusky Jerry Sandusky!

Joe Pa was an 80 year old man who put his trust in the wrong people. Jerry Sandusky is a free man today, a failed human being who was a fucking child RAPIST. That's my idea of a failed human being! I love Joe Pa, and I say this as a Wolverine Fan! Oh, and Joe Pa was the lowest paid Big Ten Coach. If putting your trust in the wrong people makes you a failed human being, there's billions of us.

Vaya con Dios, Joe Pa.

[joeglow3]

15. Umm, he covered up child rape

No one said he was a bad man for what Sandusky did. He is a TERRIBLE man for covering up what Sandusky did.

[Pathwalker]

17. He reported it to the College officials, and trusted them to handle it.

That is not "covering it up". That is trusting the wrong people, who were indicted for lying to the grand jury. THEY covered it up. My Grandpa didn't call the police when he found out his son was molesting his own daughter - he beat the total crap out of him with a 7-strap razor strap, and removed his daughter from the home. Does that make my Grandpa a terrible person? I don't think so.

[joeglow3]

18. BULL FUCKING SHIT

He walked past that worthless piece of shit everyday, knowing that he was fucking little boys up their asses in the showers at his school and claimed his hands were washed because he told his boss. Great, he did what the law required of him. Unfortunately for him, most of us don't determine worth merely by following the law. He knew an old man was ramming his dick in the assholes of young boys and was content to work next to this man for years.

He was a worthless piece of shit.

[roguevalley]

26. what is being forgotten here in this bullshit argument about poor old Joe Pa being

such a clueless prick is that people who work in education, even coaches are bound as quasi officers of the court to REPORT THIS SHIT OR GO TO JAIL! You can't even have the chance to decide if it rises to the occasion of a reporting. YOU DO IT OR GO TO JAIL! He knew this was going on. He had to report it to the cops. Telling the higher ups and probably telling them that they risked money and his fake rep as a great icon if they went out of house wasn't enough. It didn't fulfill the legal obligation. Joe Pa is a pedophile enabler and an accomplice in multiple child rape.

Anyone who says differently needs to examine their conscience. No one child's life is worth a stupid, fucking, asshole-ish football legacy. Everything connected to Joe Paterno is fake. Nothing is real. So what they won games. The whole edifice is fake. Get over it apologists. Or better yet. Consider it happened to your kid. defend his sweet old man nice guy fakery then?

[obamanut2012]

28. I cannot +1 this enough

Great post.

[roguevalley]

44. thanks honey. I was a teacher for 27 years and I know this shit because our district stomped it into

our heads. He belonged in jail the bastard.

[obamanut2012]

47. I've been a mandatory reporter, too

And am now, once again.

[roguevalley]

49. I retired but hell will freeze over before it ever gets past me. There are people who don't

think paterno is worse than sandusky but he is. He could have stopped it but he didn't. I wish the mandatory report thing was made really clear to some of the people on this list. They would get it that he should be in jail too and he's equally if not more responsible. I hope you never have to report, Obamanut2012 but I'm glad for kids that you are there and understand, unlike paterno what you have to do.

[obamanut2012]

53. I never have had to

But I would in a second.

[krawhitham]

59. Get your fucking facts straight

Jerry Sandusky retired from Penn State in 1999

Mike McQueary witnessed Sandusky raping a boy in 2002

The next day, McQueary told Paterno that he saw Sandusky horsing around in the shower with a boy. He did not try to stop the rape, waited a full day to tell anyone and instead of going to the Police he went to Joe Paterno

McQueary never told told Joe Paterno the boy was being raped, PERIOD. McQueary told the grand jury he told Paterno it was HORSEPLAY. That same day McQueary told Paterno, Joe reported what he knew to Tim Curley the athletic director for Penn State

After investigating Tim Curley banned Sandusky from having underage children to campus, and sweep the rest under the rug.


To this day Tim Curley & Mike McQueary are still on Penn State's payroll, but Joe Paterno was fired



BTW according to the Police and FBI Joe Paterno did fulfill the legal obligation

[roguevalley]

60. Ah, did your little feelings get hurt somehow? Fucking facts? Nice.

A naked man horsing around in a shower with a child is sex play. Paterno dropped the ball. He did. Paterno is as big a fucker as anyone of them and you cursing me out about the facts is bullshit. I was mandated reporter for 27 years just like Paterno and I was told the legal obligations. Paterno didn't fulfill them but don't let that get in your face. I get it. Football. Penn State.

I can see how much more important that is than someone having naked 'horseplay' with ten year olds. You obviously don't get the reporting obligations we have. But then I doubt from this post and your tone that that matters. Have a nice day. I can think of about twenty children who never will thanks to your good old Joe Pa.

[Posteritatis]

19. The difference is that one of those people put a stop to things, and the other would not. (nt)

[golddigger]

21. I wonder if he would have done the same thing

if the kid was his grandson?

[madmom]

35. "He reported it to the College officials, and trusted them to handle it" and when he saw

that nothing was done (He saw sandusky walking around as a free man) he still did nothing, he should have taken the matter into his own hands. He was a coward and an enabler. He is just as much to blame as the other officials.

[roguevalley]

45. He also had a legal responsibility to make sure it was taken care of, MadMom. I can't believe

the folks here who seem to think he did enough or wasn't responsible. he was. Criminally responsible.

[madmom]

46. I agree, I couldn't live with myself if I had done or not done what he did.

[Logical]

50. Gullible much?

[lunatica]

16. He protected a pedophile caught in the act

He is a failed human being. So is Sandusky and every single pedophile or pedophile protector.

Hey! Sometimes the unvarnished truth hurts.

[former9thward]

25. Speak for yourself. You don't speak for "everyone" despite what you think.

[lunatica]

30. I am speaking for myself

It's my opinion despite what you think. I guess you think protecting pedophiles is OK if the person protecting them has fans like you.

[former9thward]

36. You said he dissapointed "everyone" in your post.

I am not a hater so I am not part of your "everyone". I won't bother replying to the content of your last post because "everyone" can see what it is.

[lunatica]

37. That's my opinion and I obviously didn't speak for you!

Nor would I quite frankly.

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. The whole thing is terribly sad

Joe Pa hanging on from another time when these things were just handled locally, unable to see his own negligence.

He did a lot of good, regardless of the people who will come here and attack him. He deserves a lot of blame in the Sandusky affair, but he did a lot of good for tens of thousands of students.

[Neurotica]

41. Agreed. You captured my very mixed feelings about this entire situation.

[crazylikafox]

14. RIP Joe. We loved you.

From the little girl who lived across the street from you back in the 60's.

[Avalux]

20. I am very sad this morning.....

Yes, I know his actions (and inactions) regarding Sandusky were not as they should have been, but it doesn't discount the good things he's done for his students, the school and the community over the years.

Not everything is black and white and my emotional response to his passing is evidence of that. RIP Joe.

[obamanut2012]

22. Well, some things are black and white

Bishop Law and the Catholic hierarchy get ripped apart on here. AS THEY SHOULD BE, and they didn't molest one child, they just covered it up. For years.

How is this any different? It isn't.

I won't proactively speak ill of the dead, but I also cannot stomach seeing this child rapist enabler being lauded.

[obamanut2012]

23. I said I wouldn't speak ill of Paterno, because he is dead

But, I cannot stomach seeing this child rapist enabler and excuser being lauded on here.

[golddigger]

24. I agree. It turns my stomach to hear the praised heaped on this

enabler.

[melissaf]

52. Frankly, I'd rather see more bile

directed at the child rapist than the enabler. The child rapist, after all, did the raping.

[obamanut2012]

54. The child rapist isn't being held up as a hero

And lauded at his death, or declared a victim, or given an effing state funeral. The enabler could have stopped it over a decade ago, and is a mandatory reporter, yet failed to do his legal and ethical duty.

The child rapist is called scum. The child rapist's main enabler is called a legend.

[melissaf]

55. I don't know that you can call him

his "main enabler"--I've seen no evidence that Paterno, say, got boys for him. And, according to the PA attorney general, Paterno _did_ do his legal duty. Moral duty, not really, but legal duty, yes, since he wasn't charged with a crime.

Not saying Paterno doesn't deserve the criticism. As long as it's fair criticism. The child rapist is the one who committed a crime.

[obamanut2012]

57. Oh, I can

[melissaf]

58. What about Curley and Schulz?

They're the a-holes who told Sandusky not to bring kids on campus anymore. What about the Second Mile?

[golddigger]

61. "He who does not prevent a crime

when he can, 'ENCOURAGES' it." - Seneca

[Ecumenist]

62. Amen, Golddigger!!

[lunatica]

31. I find it shocking

So far two people have jumped all my comments trying to defend him. I think it's denial, which is the first stage of grief though.

Some people find it hard to let go of their heroes.

[Whisp]

34. footsball trumps pedo enablers I guess

there is something really icky about mega sports and this sort of points it all out to me.

[Pathwalker]

39. I never said he was my hero, and I'm not in denial.

My Grandpa is my hero. I know for a fact that he used that razor strap on three different males, all of whom were raping their family members. I just save my contempt for the JERRY SANDUSKYS of this world. There's also at least one man in Michigan with a criminal record because of what I saw him doing to his stepdaughter, and as LATER facts revealed - his own daughter. I only wish he he'd gotten more time. Six years, out in two.

[MadHound]

27. Fuck Joe Pa

He enabled the rape and abuse of twenty kids or more over a period of thirty plus years. He sacrificed their lives, their innocence on the altar of football and his own ambition.

[Ohio Joe]

29. Agreed, fuck him

He knew full well what was going on for a decade and said nothing. Fuck him.

[randome]

33. But it had to do with college sports. That's entirely different from 'normal' rape and abuse.

Right?

[sylveste]

42. it really

didn't have anything to do with college sports per se. had sandusky been an art professor would it have been an indictment on art in general?

[Logical]

51. +1000, dying does not let him off the hook!

[Odin2005]

32. May he rot in Hell.

[slater71]

38. No one can take this coaching job from him.

He will always be on the sidelines and no one can fire him again.

[obamanut2012]

40. OMG

[AtomicKitten]

43. He isn't entitled to RIP until all the victims of sexual abuse he turned a blind eye to

are made whole again. I wish them peace.

[melissaf]

56. Don't we all.

[DeathToTheOil]

48. Amen