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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsShot "with father's gun": a Google news search turns up a long, long list
I did a Google news search for the term: "with father's gun." And here's just the FIRST TWO PAGES of news articles that popped up, all events that happened within the past few months.
Fathers, choose. What's more important to you, your child or your gun? Because clearly your gun is more likely to kill your child than to protect him.
Boy shoots self in face with father's gun:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/13/15885754-boy-4-shoots-self-in-face-with-fathers-gun?lite
Five year old girl shoots self with father's gun: http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Five-Year-Old-Shoots-Self-with-Fathers-Gun-183187511.html
4-year-old kills 2-year-old with father's gun: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2015315231001/4-year-old-kills-2-year-old-with-fathers-gun/
4-year-old shoots 8-year-old brother with father's gun:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/complaint-4yearold-shoots-brother-with-fathers-gun-0v7egun-176691061.html
4-year-old girl shoots self with father's gun: http://www.loop21.com/life/4-year-old-shoots-self-fathers-gun-detroit
4-year-old shoots self in head with father's gun: http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/4-year-old-in-critical-condition-after-shooting-self-in-head-with-fathers-gun-183410391.html
"miracle bably dies shooting father's gun": http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/18/linkin-leatham-miracle-baby-dies-shooting-father-gun_n_1893741.html
15-year-old shoots herself with father's gun: http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/15-year-old-shoots-herself-with-father-s-gun-257596
3-year-old shoots himself with father's gun: http://www.king5.com/news/local/3-year-old-boy-shoots-himself-in-face-with-fathers-gun-175785841.html
2-year-old fatally shoots herself with father's gun: http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/07/20/2-year-old-fatally-shoots-herself-with-fathers-gun-that-was-left-on-nightstand/
12-year-old shoots self with father's gun: http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2002-10-16/news/0210160175_1_police-officer-boy-s-stepmother-father-s-briefcase
There are more, but you get the idea.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)It's their "fathers" guns. They need their own guns so they can be familiar with them and not have accidents.
More guns, less accidents.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)equally frightening results how may accidents car ownership causes.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ran+over+child+with+car&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US/
Initech
(100,097 posts)Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Thank you for clarification.
mainer
(12,023 posts)A gun is a discretionary acquisition.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)with a gun.
Bizarre POV to my way of thinking.
And note, I didn't even google for overall car related child accidents and deaths, just those that were accidentally run over, quite similar to accidentally shooting a firearm. A child with a tool meant for adults results in accidents, who knew?
mainer
(12,023 posts)And gun ownership -- unnecessary to begin with unless you work in law enforcement or use one in another line of work -- leads to COMPLETELY unnecessary deaths.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)were the children killed by cars then necessary to your way of thinking? But I don't see you demanding the end of cars. You can't have it both ways. If you want to stop the most unnecessary deaths, focus on cars. If you want to be hypocritically outraged, focus on guns.
mainer
(12,023 posts)Since kids get killed anyway with bathtubs and cars and ladders, what's the problem with bombs?
Initech
(100,097 posts)You're trying to hijack the argument with a bullshit NRA propaganda talking point. Cars get people from point a to point b. The sole purpose of a gun is to kill. Get out of here with that NRA nonsense.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)no outrage about car ownership.
It's not the childrens' deaths that upset you, it's the how they died that does. That's hypocritical, imo.
mainer
(12,023 posts)Considering the fact almost every American family has a car, I'd bet that your chance of your kid getting killed by the family car is less than being killed by the family gun.
Initech
(100,097 posts)It's far more difficult to run somebody over with a car than it is to kill someone with a shotgun. Stop it. It's a complete bullshit talking point and it does not help the argument.
mainer
(12,023 posts)Sounds like you value your status as a gun owner far more than you care about your own kid's safety.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)And made sure to be a responsible gun owner. Just as I was and am still a responsible car owner.
BTW with no more children in my care, I no longer carry and will soon be a non-owner as well, my daughter is getting her concealed permit and will be the owner as is my son's SO (both women over 21) who was at the mall in Clackamas working when that all went down.
Oh and the two women couldn't be more different. My dd is a liberal, progressive, my son's SO is a religious, conservative. Go figure.
mainer
(12,023 posts)When you bring a gun into a home with children, you alone bear the responsibility if something goes wrong.
Most parents who care about their children make sure they use car seats, eat a balanced diet, and wear bike helmets. Anyone who looks at gun death statistics would realize that a gun in the house is putting their child at risk in a way that's unthinkable for any loving parent.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)they were taught that the MOST dangerous tool they will ever handle is a car and to take being in one f'ing seriously, don't distract the driver, don't throw tantrums, pay attention to know when to hush up because traffic is heavy and so on. From day one.
Upon becoming a CCW carrier, the gun was handed to the kids annually on their birthdays to assure that they could still never chamber a round. Once a round could be chambered (this was only done by seeing if the could slide the slide, no actual bullet was used), the seriousness of a gun, gun ownership etc, was fully discussed at least annually. And the advantage of being a CCW carrier is that my ONE gun was always on my person, almost never anywhere else and never had a round chambered. This was visually evident, whether a round was chambered or not, after a dry fire. When I went to the shooting range for practice, I actually practiced the full thing from pulling the firearm to chambering a round to firing, since that is how the gun resided all the time outside the range. Oh, and my daughter couldn't chamber a round till she was 16 and my son moved to his dad's at 14 and could not chamber a round when he left. Glocks are damned difficult to chamber.
mainer
(12,023 posts)Buckle up their seatbelts. Make them wear bike and ski helmets. Vaccinate them.
But if you insist on keeping a gun in your house, and that gun hurts your child, then you failed in your first mission as a parent. And that's to keep them as safe as you possibly can.
Lionessa
(3,894 posts)Whether by gun or by car or by pool, when something that is supposed to be in the parent's control causes injury to a child, the parent is responsible. My bike got knocked over by a huge rottweiler with my daughter in a seat on the back. When I picked ourselves up, her head just flopped, scared me shitless. Ended up being a very minor concussion. During the hospital visit the doc asked why she didn't have one of those new childrens' helmets on.... cuz I didn't know, I'd never heard of such a thing, I'd never been knocked over. But to this day, all those nevers were totally my responsibility to have known and I didn't. Her concussion was 100% my fault, the dog's fault for knocking us over, but the concussion totally mine.