Liberals for Newt Gingrich

[BrentWil]

Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:17 AM - Edit history (2)

There would be nothing better for the liberal cause then to have Newt Gingrich defeat Mitt Romney. This would be a great thing for us and would be a great benefit for all our candidates. Even Karl Rove knows this.


It is time to organize and start voting in the GOP open primaries and to really focus on open caucuses. What are your thoughts. We would need to focus on open events where we could vote or go register republican for closed primaries. FL is a closed primary, so we could have little effect there.

Lets make this an Obama vs. Newt context. We will destroy the GOP in that election and have a progressive lead congress and President.

As evidence, check out the links below

First, there are the polls. Obama is ahead of Romney, but it is close.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elections/state/US/?chart=12USPresGERvO&chart_mode=new

Obama KILLS Newt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elections/state/US/?chart=12USPresGEGvO&chart_mode=new

Newt is one of the most unpopular people in America

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-gingrich

They don't hate Romney

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-romney

[Jackpine Radical]

1. I think it's a dumb idea. This sort of trickster nonsense usually backfires.

We don't need to do crap like this, and we shouldn't. Why sink to their level? There is power in truth.

[BrentWil]

5. Its the process going on right now..

What is "sinking to their level". Is it not legal and legit to vote in open primaries?

[Jackpine Radical]

40. The only way you can conceivably organize leftists to vote in the R primary

must involve communicating with them. Any such communication will be known to the right. You are then giving them an excuse to discount or psychologically invalidate the results of any election in which such tampering has occurred. As in "Sure he won SC, but that was only due to the crossover spoilers."

[Raffi Ella]

42. +1

they are imploding just fine on their own, anyway. rofl.

[BrentWil]

46. I find it difficult to believe that it will change any votes and rather discounted or not,

If Newt wins enough delegates, he wins the primary.


Heck, let them discount the victory and put up a third party. Would be better for us.

[FarLeftFist]

47. I believe this is already taking place in the open primaries. And I believe it should continue.

[BrentWil]

48. I think so...

But an organization effort would tell people how Newt winning would be huge for us.

Newt winning the GOP nom would screw the GOP for a long time.

[FarLeftFist]

50. Newt getting the Nom will probably also give us House and Senate victories.

[BrentWil]

52. Yes... that is the big thing. It would be HUGE. NT

[MrScorpio]

2. I don't give a fuck which of them gets the nom

President Obama will kick all their asses.

[BrentWil]

4. Mitt Romney might beat us, depending on the unemployment levels...

Not saying it is fair. The president came to power in an awful time. But if unemployment goes back up, we might be in trouble if Romney is the nom.

The other factor is down the ballot candidates. Newt winning would be a huge benefit for us, for anyone down the ballot. Americans hate this guy and he has the worst approval ratings of any major figure.

[MrScorpio]

8. That man would get slaughtered in a general

He has all charisma of week old fish.

[Old and In the Way]

15. Mitt is a dead man walking.

He's starting to lose the base in a big way. Should he somehow win the nomination, he's going to have problems getting his base motivated enough to vote for him in the GE. A 3rd party effort by a 'true conservative' won't surprise me if Mitt wins the nomination.

[BrentWil]

18. The GOP base will be out in force

They have an African socialist to vote against remember?

[Arkana]

21. They also hate Romney and think he's part of a cult that abducts

good evangelicals and turns them into Mormons.

Freeperville will cease to exist if Romney is the nominee.

[BrentWil]

27. I am from the south..

If the choice is mormon or black, they are voting mormon... at least in the poorer parts of the south.

Romney will get support from the base. Newt will get that also. The difference is that Newt will ONLY get support from the base.

[BumRushDaShow]

30. They will sit home and make sure their "states rights" remain intact

with their Republican governors and state legislatures protecting them from the "evil Socialist". To them, Mormon = "cult".

[BrentWil]

31. No, it is a cult to them...

But they aren't going to sit at home this election. Mitt being Mormon didn't cost him SC. Mitt being "moderate" cost him SC.

[BumRushDaShow]

33. The exit polls said otherwise (re: religion costing him the win)

http://www.businessinsider.com/did-romneys-mormonism-doom-him-in-south-carolina-2012-1

[BrentWil]

34. The link doesn't back up the statement...

It cost him. As per your link:

"27 percent of South Carolinians told exit polls that the religious affiliation of the candidate mattered "a great deal to them. 9 percent of those voters voted for Mitt Romney

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/did-romneys-mormonism-doom-him-in-south-carolina-2012-1#ixzz1kAEOKuzy "

27 percent isn't going to win you an election. And that is in one of the most evangelical states in the union.

[BumRushDaShow]

35. In a 4-way race

27% is a good chunk.

And the fact that the teabagger Governor's endorsement didn't work, means there's a whole lot wrong with his picture.

And SC doesn't necessarily hold up as "the most evangelical states in the union". It will be interesting to see what happens in "The belt buckle of the bible belt" though - Tennessee!

[Jackpine Radical]

41. His true base is the 1%.

It's kinda hard to go anywhere in politics when 1% of the population is your base.

[BrentWil]

44. Its a nice thought but not really true...

About 30 percent of the people will vote Republican whoever they put up. The real question is how to stop another 21 percent from voting Republican. Newt would be a great means to do that.

[BumRushDaShow]

3. They are already divided and destroying themselves.

Patience grasshopper!

[BrentWil]

6. They are going through a nomination process

If Romney gets it, they have a shot. If Newt wins, he will destroy any chance they have and destroy his parties chances down the ballot. Might as well have some fun.

[dionysus]

7. how the fuck does romney have a shot? his own party hates his fake ass.

[Jackpine Radical]

10. And everybody else hates the Salamander.

As far as I'm concerned, I think Napoleon hit it on the head:

"When your enemy is busy destroying himself, it is rude to interrupt."

[BrentWil]

12. They hate his ass because they know he isn't as conservative as they are...

First, there are the polls. Obama is ahead of Romney, but it is close.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elections/state/US/?chart=12USPresGERvO&chart_mode=new

Obama KILLS Newt.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elections/state/US/?chart=12USPresGEGvO&chart_mode=new

Newt is one of the most unpopular people in America

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-gingrich

People HATE this guy. He would lose big. Romney, has the organization and money to win if the economy takes another downward spiral.

[Leopolds Ghost]

37. +1. CANCER -- er, Newt Gingrich FTW!

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Dems don't have to do a thing

except organize to take back the House and increase in the Senate. The repukes have pretty much conceded the Presidential race at this point, but they will soon start ratcheting up their push for taking control of the Senate.

[BrentWil]

14. I wouldn't be that cocky...

Romney worries me. He will go to the middle once this is over. He has money and organization.

Newts a nut and easy to beat.

The difference between Romney and the rest of them is that Romney is just pretending to be crazy. Come general election time, we will see a much more moderate and electable Romney.

[BumRushDaShow]

19. Read this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835719/posts

Make sure you have the bio-suit on when you go in there. And this is not just restricted to that site. It's happening at similar sites as well.

I.e., what is left of the "sane" part of the GOP that hasn't be sloughed away, knows that only a "moderate" (-sounding) nominee would have a chance. Yet the teabagger monster that they created believes differently and has woven itself into every aspect of their communications being (radio, TV, internet forums) to push their zombie hoards to reject a "moderate". The hint at this came when Caribou Barbie was selected to "rightify" the McClame ticket. The fact that conservatives like Bennett from Utah were tossed out in caucuses and primaries (forcing the former "moderates" like McLame & Hatch, etc., to go hard right), was a warning shot. But since that 2008 Hail Mary pass failed, the teabaggers will probably push to have both names on the ticket be far right.

[BrentWil]

22. How sweet it is...

Lets help them destroy themselves...

Mitt can and might win. Newt is a nut

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Um... thy protesteth too much.

[kemah]

57. Moderate Romney will alienate the GOP base.

Then the flip flopping charge will really stick. The tea party will revolt and feel like they have been conned in supporting a moderate.

[BrentWil]

32. You are kidding yourself. NT

[JI7]

11. We can't underestimate Gingrich , he is seen as an Intellectual

he would do better in a debate than Romney . and none of it would have to do with the substance of his arguments.

people elected Reagan, Bush II.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. He's a walking zombie gaffe machine

and if the people finally "got it" when Palin melted down down with her ridiculous statements, even worse will happen when that blubbering blob of blow-hardery really gets going!

[JI7]

16. Romney has made more Gaffes , and he is seen as a phony

but Gingrich's negatives are seen as positive by many. they see his temper , anger etc as being tough .

[BrentWil]

17. They are seen as positive by GOP primary votes...

The country as a whole hates him.

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-gingrich

They don't hate Romney

http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contest/us-favorability-romney

[BumRushDaShow]

29. As long as Romney continues to refuse to release his tax returns

and as long as Santorum is out there pointing this out, he's toast and will be hated by those who are fond of the movie "Wall Street"!

Wait till the number of houses he owns gets back out there in the spotlight again. Something like that pretty much sunk McLame - even with his "Maverick" moderate self!

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Caribou Barbie and Batshit crazy Bachmann "talked tough" too

and where did that get them? Got them some $$$ and fame but that's about it.

Getrich was selling 2 books this past year and enjoying the attention. Running for President was just a side note for his book tours. He'll certainly write a dandy after this adventure, but the fact that he is not on the ballot in the state in which he lives is certainly going to get him knocked down quite a few notches. It's only a matter of time when the media finally bores of him.

Similarly, the fiction of "tough" was being slathered onto Christie but independents are necessarily keen on rude and tacky "tough guys" who act like bullies.

[ecstatic]

20. Lawrence O'Donnell insists that Gingrich can't win

Due to his high negatives. LO is a genius when it comes to political predictions (at least since I've started watching his show).

[BrentWil]

23. The General election...

He could win the primary

[Arkana]

24. Gingrich is an angry, temperamental manchild

and he'd self-destruct in a debate against Obama in a cloud of "FOOD STAMP PRESIDENT" screams.

Seriously, that veiled racism shit doesn't fly when you're not in front of a GOP debate audience and the African-American President of the United States is on the stage with you.

All Obama has to do is say "Mr. Speaker, why did you say that you were going to tell the NAACP to demand "paychecks not foodstamps" when over 2/3 of food stamp recipients are white? More to the point, why are you trying to shame and demonize people who have used the food stamp program to get them through difficult times?"

Watch Newt sputter and stammer and then get angry.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. but voters need to be informed how corrupt he is

[loyalsister]

38. His debate expectations are so high

He would be in real trouble going up against Obama.

[xfundy]

36. If you like Grinch so much

YOU go vote for the asshole.

[BrentWil]

39. Did you read the OP

I am not suggesting voting for him because I like him

[Donald Ian Rankin]

54. Spot who didn't read beyond the title before replying :-)

[Douglas Carpenter]

43. Listening to his ‘victory speech” is very scary because he can be very convincing to a lot of people

- like any demagogue who speaks with the absolutist moral certainty or a true believer. Though Paul Krugman is certainly right that "Newt Gingrich is what a stupid person thinks a smart person sounds like” and as crazy and ignorant as Gingrich's speeches are – he would certainly not be the first self-serving and self-deluded demagogue to bamboozle a nation.

Here is his "victory speech" - I can imagine a lot of people swallowing it hook, line and sinker:


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/newt-gingrich-targets-elite-media-again-in-sc-victory-speech/

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Though unlikely we cannot over look the possibility that he could win and yes he could become President. I'm certainly not predicting it. It may not be likely - but it is possible.

[BrentWil]

45. I am sure about 30 percent of Americans would be very happy to vote for him...

The problem is that he is generally hated. It is the same problem that Palin has. He will have a core that is in love with him. It is getting out of that core.

[Douglas Carpenter]

51. At the wrong moment his sort of demagoguery is exactly what might sell

Normally speaking he should not be electable at the national level. But we simply don't know how the situation will be - come October/November. If unemployment continues to gradually drop as the economy gradually shows positive signs - we should be safe. However, if tensions continue to mount in the Persian Gulf region and the possibility of imminent military engagement with Iran starts escalating - whether or not there is direct military confrontation - oil prices will start skyrocketing toward $150 to $200 per barrel or more and any positive signs of economic improvement will grind to a halt. In such an atmosphere which is unfortunately at least possible and plausible - I could imagine a Newt candidacy become quite viable. Yes Newt Gingrich could win and become President of the United States. It is not likely. But it is by no means impossible..

[BrentWil]

55. If conditions become bad and Newt COULD win, Romney WOULD win by a landslide...

And carry the House and Senate. Even in bad conditions, it would be much better for us to have Newt at the top.

[MineralMan]

49. Your idea is a waste of time.

Instead, time spent involved in your own local district primaries working for state and national legislative candidates you support will actually work to accomplish something. The presidency has its own dynamic, and it's not one that individuals affect very much. However, local activism to support legislative candidates will also have the result of turning people out who will vote for Obama. It's a side effect.

If you truly want to have some sort of impact on the 2012 election, you can have that impact by working to elect the best candidates in your state legislature, and in Congress. Let the presidency ride on those coattails, not the opposite.

[BrentWil]

53. Local organization doesn't distract from this...

In fact, it helps it. If you are locally organized, it isn't difficult to get some number out to vote in the GOP primary.

[BrentWil]

56. Someone is thinking like me... Facebook group is up...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2264948468

[Jello Biafra]

58. I see that group worked out for them...all the admins left.......n/t