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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI figured out a way to get the NRA to support gun safety measures
You simply tell them innocent people who are killed because of gun violence means fewer customers for the gun industry. They will then consider the revenue that is being lost when innocent people are killed and they will start supporting gun safety measures that lower gun violence in this country.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)In one sense of "gun safety" the NRA is the biggest proponent of it; they give a ton of free gun safety classes.
Tony_FLADEM
(3,023 posts)be available in a combat setting.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Last I checked, the NRA supports opening the NICS background check system for private-party sales (this is the "gun show loophole", though it has nothing to do with loopholes). If we could stop rhetorically beating each other up over this we would see that there's not really that much daylight between the NRA and Brady on this.
Military weapons (assault rifles, machine guns, etc.) have been for all practical purposes illegal since 1934, and have killed I think 2 people in the US since the 1950s.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)How about requiring any private party sale to check the NICS? How about full registration for all firearms?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)If at least *allowing* it is what we can get, that's a step in the right direction, no?
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Tony_FLADEM
(3,023 posts)Any type of weapon that shoots more than a certain number of bullets without having to reload most people would agree should only be used in the military.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Let's say 10 times.
The problem is that the way most guns are built, the magazine that holds the rounds is
a separate thing from the gun and is very easy to make: it's just a box with a spring in it. It's also possible to change them pretty quickly, so 3 ten-round magazines don't take much longer at all to fire than 1 thirty-round magazine.
But, yes, it would be possible to limit all new magazines to 10 rounds, and it would be somewhat possible to go around and get the ones that people currently have (unlike the bullets themselves, the magazines don't get used up when you shoot).
It would be making precursors (to borrow a drug war term) to mass shootings more difficult to acquire. That might be effective on the margins, though our experience with the war on drugs makes me pessimistic about that. But maybe it's what we can do.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Do you still stand by your statement that the NRA is the biggest proponents of gun safety after seeing this video of one of their national board members? If so do you believe the behavior exhibited in that video represents the type of handling of a gun that should be promoted by a gun safety organization?
derby378
(30,252 posts)By your logic, the entire MMM should be held accountable for the actions of that one woman.
I'm not a member of the NRA, and I do not approve of Nugent's tirade, but you've gotta be careful with the whole "guilt by association" meme.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)You may have had a point if the NRA had fired Ted Nugent after this outburst, but he remains on their Board of Directors to this very day. Is that Million Mom March activist associated with any gun control organizations today or did they do the right thing and disassociate themselves with her?
Don't try to pretend these two situations are the same, it is very different to have a current board member than a past activist.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)They make no revenue from gun sales
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Their books are open...take a look
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)And like other industry fronts, the NRA is quick to conceal its progun industry policy positions as ideological commitments.
Take, for example, The NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund. Its a progun rights legal fund involved in court cases establishing legal precedents in favor of gun owners.
And who helps pick which impact-litigation cases the NRA will become involved with? Folks like James W. Porter II, a board member of the NRA Civil Rights Defense Fund, who doubles as an attorney whose private firm specializes in areas of products liability defense of firearms manufacturers. His last client, according to a search of the federal court docket, was Smith & Wesson Corporation.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/171776/does-nra-represent-gun-manufacturers-or-gun-owners#
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)The difference is crucial though it seems you do not know the difference and why it matters
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)The PACs may be seperate from the rest of the NRA by law, but for all practical purposes they represent the same murderous organization.