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Centerfire pistol ammunition should be limited to the military, law enforcement officers and guard services with permits.
Centerfire rifle ammunition should be difficult to get and required to be stored under safe conditions. (IIRC, the Swiss received their ammunition for home storage in sealed tins, which had to be accounted for periodically.)
Only .22 short rimfire and birdshot should be fairly readily available.
jody
(26,624 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Which of these are used in hanguns?
Below are centerfire handgun cartridges.
Some of these, such as the .44 magnum, are used in rifles, and others, such as the 9 mm are used in submachine guns. But I don't think that any of these should be available to civilians without a permit.
The .22 short rimfire is similar to the cartridge on the right, but it is about 2/3 the length.
NickB79
(19,271 posts)Hell, they make a revolver that fires fucking .45-70 Government rounds! That's the same round used to kill off buffalo on the Great Plains at 500 yards!
http://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-4570-Revolver-75-inch-Barrel.asp
In the world of guns, there's nothing too crazy for someone to try to do.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)And chamber pressures and recoil are going to make any semi-automatic pistol quite large and heavy.
If it's a problem the law could be tightened to restrict centerfire rifle ammunition as well. Especially centerfire rifle ammunition less than .270 caliber.
NickB79
(19,271 posts)I can buy one of these at the local Fleet Farm Supply store down the road, as well as every dedicated gun shop I've been in in the past 5 years:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=231
And then there are these:
http://www.americanrifleman.org/GalleryItem.aspx?cid=22&gid=159&id=1399
jody
(26,624 posts)the following link for the G2 Contender Pistols, http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/g2Contender.php
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)From left to right: 1 .17 HM2, 2 .17 HMR, 3 .22LR, 4 .22 WMR, 5 .17/23 SMc, 6 5mm/35 SMc, 7 .22 Hornet, 8 .223 Remington, 9 .223 WSSM, 10 .243 Winchester, 11 .243 Winchester Improved (Ackley), 12 .25-06 Remington, 13 .270 Winchester, 14 .308, 15 .30-06, 16 .45-70, 17 .50-90 Sharps
jody
(26,624 posts)or could easily be used in a handgun. That would effectively ban those rounds of rifle ammunition.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Energy and momentum would tend to be associated with chamber pressures and recoil. High recoil hunting cartridges, such as .30-06 aren't very usable in pistols.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)I say force a yearly Psych Eval to own a gun
DJ13
(23,671 posts)But its been shown that control of the components necessary to make it decreases the supply.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)The shells can be reused, but perhaps the lead?
Although you can use any material for your bullet - it could be frozen meat (at least on CSI)
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)While blackpowder is fairly easy to make, cooking up smokeless powder in your garage is more of a challenge.
You could probably buy shot shells and extract powder to reload handgun cartridges, but it might be somewhat challenging to get it to cycle reliably in an automatic.
Centerfire brass is only good for so many uses.
Centerfire primers are also another material to control.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)the primer. Old fashioned black powder could be used in place of smokeless but the components of primers are much more volatile and difficult to make.
Unfortunately they are the smallest and would be the easiest to smuggle. OTH your average criminal would not likely go through the trouble to craft ammo.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)There are lots of countries around the world the limit guns and ammuntion to police and army.
It never stops criminals from getting them.
sarisataka
(18,774 posts)And why smuggle components when assembled ammo would be as easy...
onehandle
(51,122 posts)The founders had no idea. It should be repealed. Period.
bluemarkers
(536 posts)so I guess we could outlaw the sale of ammo, as lead balls were homemade
If we go back to original intent... but surely the founding fathers though there should be a bazooka in every closet?
NickB79
(19,271 posts)And there is precedent against use taxes and constitutional rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis_Star_Tribune_Company_v._Commissioner
On its face, this ruling finds that state tax systems cannot treat the press differently than any other business without significant and substantial justification. The state of Minnesota demonstrated no such justification to impose a special tax on a select few newspaper publishers. Therefore, this tax was in violation of the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of the press.
byeya
(2,842 posts)petronius
(26,603 posts)http://caselaw.findlaw.com/dc-court-of-appeals/1543809.html
So, it seems to me that any regulation or tax intended to limit the acquisition of ammunition would be just as Constitutional (or not) as if it applied to firearms themselves...
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Furthermore, controlling ammunition would have some effect in not too many years as the existing stock is used up.
Controlling guns is pretty impractical given how many there are in private hands already.
petronius
(26,603 posts)degree that firearms themselves are. So if guns can't be banned, then neither can ammunition. To the extent that guns can be regulated, then so can ammunition.
More generally, I can't imagine that any court would go along with an 'end-around' attempt to eliminate or infringe on 2A or any other part of the BoR - whether through taxation, banning accessories like ammo, or other means...
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)as well as a browning 9mm. all of these are in a safe with trigger locks. don't feel like i am doing anything that needs to be more regulatedor curtailed through a lack of ammunition.