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In the past 10 years, some of Americas biggest food chains have lost more than 50% of their sales as they closed hundreds of locations nationwide.
These restaurants, which include former American staples such as Big Boy, Ponderosa and Bennigans have not been able to maintain a steady crowd. They have failed to update their brand or menu options. As a result locations have been closed in favor of a new generation of eateries.
http://www.businessinsider.com/10-disappearing-restaurant-chains-2012-12?op=1
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Hate to see it go.
justabob
(3,069 posts)I have been having a horrible craving for one of those deep fried club sandwiches with raspberry dip. I know they are really pretty gross, but it is an old guilty pleasure of mine.
FirstLight
(13,360 posts)justabob
(3,069 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Even though it was a heart attack on a plate.
Bennigans was very popular here in Fargo, but then business suddenly went south for them, no clue why.
pstokely
(10,528 posts)nt
City Lights
(25,171 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)and a host of other restaurants are just Bennigan's.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)brooklynite
(94,598 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)X_Digger
(18,585 posts).. and I thought Shoney's / Big Boy and Ponderosa were dead a loooong time ago.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)in the article
tho it probably should have been.
along with fast rising prices for meals.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)The last time I remember it still being open was in the late 90s.
Warren Religion
(70 posts)Me too! (Though I don't live there now.)
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Victor_c3
(3,557 posts)I only recognized the name of 4 of the 10 and I probably only ate at one of the 10 at any point in my life (Pondersa). I remember going to poderosa when I was a kid and how much i loved the buffet.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)... and you were encouraged to dump your peanut shells on the floor.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Slip and fall suits, plus risk from customers with peanut allergies, caused them to stop
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Somewhat surprised that they do.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)Peanut shells all over the floor.
sendero
(28,552 posts).... out of their steaks, they wouldn't be half bad.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)when I was a child.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)sunwyn
(494 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)How can Burger King and even McDonald's continue to compete when people are becoming more health conscious and spare money is harder to come by?
I remember Burger Den and Red Barn restaurants. Long gone.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)who can get a filling meal at a low price.
We have a Michey D's and a Burger King almost side by side on the same main drag
and I have watched them, esp in the am, have a lot of foot and drive thru traffic
in a town of 6,000.
That food has to be addictive.
Freddie
(9,267 posts)I think at least 30% of Mickey D's sales are breakfast.
Cosmocat
(14,566 posts)you get a real mix at McDees.
As many older people as not.
But, kids are the core for the operation.
Factor in really quick service (most often) and about as cheap as you can get.
JI7
(89,252 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Because now all the new fro yo stores do it the self-serve way, which is quite popular.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)I remember when a Menchies (self-serve fro-yo with a lot of changing flavors) took over a corner building catty-corner from a nearby elementary school and down the block from a TCBY. I knew right away the little TCBY would be gone within the year--maybe within six months and, sure enough, it was. There as no competing for the TCBY--why would a kid want to go to the fro-yo place where the person behind the counter decides how much fro-yo they get and how much of each topping they want they get? Menchies let's them pull the handle and get as much and as many flavors and toppings as they like...which, of course, is the genius of such places as they price according to weight. The more the kid ladles on the more $$ they make.
Pinkberry survives doing it the old way because they're an "adult" fro-yo place serving up the more adult flavors like chocolate hazelnut and pomegranate. And adults (and those adults who bring their kids to Pinkberry, want a controlled portion). But if you want to appeal to kids, you need those fun flavors like chocolate-banana and freedom for the kid to create their own.
And, as said in the article, TCBY also survived because they didn't have much competition. The frozen dessert market is huge now and TCBY didn't have a way to stand out as anything special. In my small neighborhood we've three (THREE) gelato stores, two different "self-serve" fro-yo's (popular with the kids) and one Pinkberry. That's within ten blocks!
To be fair, the gelato places also serve coffee and sandwiches but still....
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)The only time I ever heard about it was on an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
I thought they were a self-serve place, but maybe I'm confusing it with Red Mango.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...it contrasted places like TCBY by serving tart but richly textured fro-yo (popular in Korea where the company is from, I believe) that people found addictive. For a while they had only that one tart flavor and toppings that were mainly fresh fruit. The adults loved it, especially as it was touted as low-calorie and good for you. So, the 'good for you" indulgence you can reward yourself with after the gym.
It started in North Hollywood in a tiny place (I mean *tiny*--two tables) with no parking and got so wildly popular (zeitgeist?) that people were willing to get parking tickets to get a Pink Berry, and the line for it was out the door. This got them a lot of media exposure. Not surprisingly, this got them investors and they franchised; now there's something like 100 Pink Berries in CA.
It's success is based on the opposite of the "build your own" fro-yo that's now popular. All stores are small, so even though there aren't a lot of folk in them, they look full and attract people that way. They limit flavors, and so each flavor seems special, and new ones can come out as seasonal and unique. And they still maintain the portion and topping control, so the one indulging can feel like they're having a healthy snack rather than ruining all their fitness work.
After Pink Berry hit it big, Red Mango and other stores serving tart fro-yo started popping up, all pretty much the same as Pink Berry. For a while they were everywhere with names like Berry Fresh and Blue Melon, but in CA, at least, no one really went to the others and Pink Berry came out as both the survivor and winner. Possibly not for the quality of its fro-yo so much as it's look, the media hype and just getting more stores in more places before the others had a chance.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)meaning I apparently have never lived where they had restaurants.
I can recall some other long gone chains that I miss. Victoria Station. I loved that place. There was something else in the DC area 30-40 years ago, but I can't come up with the name.
longship
(40,416 posts)The classic slider. In the day, I'd go to the all night White Castle after a evening of hard party and eat a dozen of them.
Those grilled onions and that mystery ketchupy mustard sauce! They were thin, and had holes in them, so they only had to be cooked on one side.
They used to be all over Michigan. No more.
Don't get me started about HoJo's low grade dog food. However, we still have Denny's for that honor.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)In fact, there's one just a few blocks from my house. I don't like their burgers at all, but their onion chips are most excellent. Not good for me, though. I eat a bag once a year, just to spite my doctor.
DearHeart
(692 posts)marmar
(77,081 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)I lived in Chicago for a couple of years and found lots of good food, but as often as I went along with the group consensus and went there, it just didn't take.
Burgerville in Portland, OR was another one like that. Locals just rave about it, but it's just nasty to me.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Killer Burger rocks Portland .... http://killerburger.biz/
Canyon Grill .... http://www.thecanyongrill.com/
http://burgatroyd.com/ is amazing ....
Foster Burger's menu .... http://www.fosterburger.com/fb_menu_oct_2012.pdf
LOTs of options in Portland ...
We go to Burgerville for ... $1 soft serve ice cream cones ....
hatrack
(59,587 posts)One possibility that flies far above the highest turret of White Castle - Runza!
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Used to go to the one in Glendale and then hit the miniature golf course down the street when I was a kid. Great hamburgers. Shoney's not so much. East coasters don't seem to understand condiments.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)MountainLaurel
(10,271 posts)Who think that salt and pepper are the only spices that exist.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)and greasy--garlic is too much for them.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)They were a staple off of I-95 south, and my family would often stop at them on the way going down to Florida on vacations.
In retrospect, their food wasn't anything spectacular, but I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for them.
And they did have a pretty good breakfast bar, from what I recall.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)It was a middle class staple, working class went to the new joints like McDonald's and Burger King and ate in the car.
Portions were large and presentation was OK, that leaf of lettuce under the tomato providing you with the illusion that you had a serving of veg.
I haven't been to one since I went veg in 1970.
Of course, all the restaurants on the list have been middle class staples, mid tier restaurants that had metal cutlery at the table, food on plates instead of stryofoam clamshells, and in which kids were taught how to behave in public.
That's why they are going under. Nobody can afford them any more. There was nothing wrong with their menus or anything else, really.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Village Inn, Cracker Barrel or even Denny's. At least they serve breakfast all day, allowing you to avoid having to eat their dinner entrees or crappy sandwiches.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I like their chicken-friend steak, too.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)good pies, and good omelets.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Not a whole lot around, but there was one in St. Augustine, Florida that my family went to a lot when we vacationed there.
So many association with these restarauants and family traveling with me.
proud2BlibKansan
(96,793 posts)They have great salads.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)a more lenient atmosphere for toddlers, and a cheap night out for Mom and Dad.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)they had fried bologna as one of the options for breakfast.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)UNIQUELY bad.
Cha
(297,322 posts)miniature golf sounds about right on a Saturday night.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)On Colorado Blvd, if I remember correctly.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)justice1
(795 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Best way to eat your veggies.
Terra Alta
(5,158 posts)but Papa John's and Chick-fil-a remain strong.
Life isn't fair sometimes.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Addressing Chick fil A: people love their food. When we had all the Boycott CFA threads, several of our number expressed regret for the Cathys' politics because the sandwiches are very good.
Papa John's? They provide a pizza that tastes like the box it came in that is superior to similar pizzas made by Dominos, Godfathers and Pizza Hut. If you live in New York or Chicago and have easy access to pizza made by a guy who speaks only Italian those places are unnecessary. In this town, the pizza kits you get at the store that contain a bag of bisquik, a bag of parmesan and a can of tomato sauce produce better pizza than Capone's does. Our great nation contains vast pizza wastelands, and it is there Papa John makes his money.
The restaurants on this list are in heavily oversaturated market segments. Take Bennigan's. Please. Look at a map of Fayetteville, N.C. Draw two lines on it: one down Cliffdale Road, the other down McPherson Church. Because of the relatively recessionproof nature of Fayetteville's economy, every burgers & beer chain in the industry flocked there. The only one they didn't have was Dave & Busters and there aren't many of those around. The thing is, does the market really need eight or nine identical chains? That market will eventually self-select to two or three...probably Applebees, Ruby Tuesday or Rock-ola Grill and Chilis.
I also expect to see froyo die. The product is unbelievably expensive for the quality you get, and the self service model will eventually go away on economic grounds. I went in one of those places, selected the medium cup, put a reasonable amount of product in, topped it with a reasonable amount of toppings..."$6,95 please." Go in there with three kids and spouse and you better have two twenties with you. It's more expensive than Ben & Jerry's and not as good.
monmouth3
(3,871 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)I propose three:
Red Lobster
Olive Garden
Applebee's
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)Tabasco_Dave
(1,259 posts)I and many others had a steak tougher than an old boot from outback and they're overpriced.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)That's no exaggeration. I know someone who's a buyer for a pet food company and she told me Taco Bell buys stuff that her company rejects.
The other thing that's so stupid about that company--they think they can add the letters i-t-a to the end of any word in the English language and they have a catchy name for a menu item. Crapita. Pissita.
caraher
(6,278 posts)When Taco Bell introduced the "Gordita" he had some gag about walking into a Taco Bell, asking if they had "Gorditas" for sale, and saying something like "I'd like the one over there with the pink lipstick."
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Some of these, like Ponderosa, made the cheapest Vegas buffet look like high quality food. Others, like Don Pablo's, filled the "pretend" ethnic food market, which thankfully is going away as fabulous REAL Mexican, Chinese, etc. restaurants have become plentiful. Some, like Ground Round, were infamous for mistreating their franchise stores. It's not about updating their brand or menu options, for the most part. Scratch most of these, and you'll find a much bigger problem.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)There used to be about a dozen within a 25 mile radius of me. Now there are only one or two.
pstokely
(10,528 posts)?
BanTheGOP
(1,068 posts)They were all based in red state values like Chick Fil A, so they can all go to hell anyway.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)...affected them. Just cases of bad (or just not right enough) calls, or was there high-level milking (a la Hostess and a host of other ransacked companies) contributing?
Or how corporate grouping affected them? In some places the closed restaurants were replaced with others that really didn't seem all that different. What were the critical points?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)Except maybe Big Boy. Haven't eaten in one for probably 25 years or more. But I do have some fond memories of those cholesterol-laden Big Boy burgers, oozing over with whatever it was they put on them (Russian dressing?).
patrice
(47,992 posts)HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Not just the quality of food (not great to begin with, but made really bad thanks to cost cutting measures), but the overall actions of the franchisees killed that brand. In Ohio, one was convicted of embezzlement - that closed a lot of stores here, including ours.
patrice
(47,992 posts)all kinds of sauces and soups etc.
Would probably never succeed in the Midwest.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)It's delicious--all you can eat salad bar, plenty of breads and pastas. Plenty of options for vegetarians.
I'm not vegetarian, but during Fridays in Lent I always use it as an excuse to go to Sweet Tomatoes.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)open when I travel.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)So good
Oh well. They all serve disgustingly fatty garbage anyway, probably.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)The kids from my high school spent hours waiting for orders brought by carhops. Ah. Fond memories from my teen years in Georgia.
dembotoz
(16,808 posts)proven brand
proven methods
proven menu
proven concept
times change and so do americas tastes
lots of folks lost lots of money here
FSogol
(45,488 posts)DearHeart
(692 posts)Loved their corn cake...can find the mix in some stores. But, the Las Brisas, unfortunately not!
FSogol
(45,488 posts)PS. Do you have Chevy's Mexican Restaurants near you? Their corn cake is the same.
DearHeart
(692 posts)Never found it again...rum based if I remember correctly. Sometimes I think I imagined it, not many people remember it. Maybe it wsa a regional thing.
Nope, we don't have Chevy's Mexican Restaurants. At least I can still get the corn cake mix. We do have a couple of really good Mexican restaurants that aren't a chain; I'm glad for that!
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Rum - 2 oz.
Orange Juice - 2.5 oz.
Coconut Cream - 1 oz.
Pineapple Juice - 2.5 oz.
Serve in Hurricane glass with Orange slice.
DearHeart
(692 posts)Thank you so much!!!
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)hey, in the 80's in the Northeast, salsa/tortilla chips and Mexican food in general were new and exciting!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Initech
(100,081 posts)They used to kick ass but expanded too quickly and now they're virtually extinct
JI7
(89,252 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)in order to pay off the absurd debt they took on to expand everywhere all at once.
In-n-Out OTOH has kept the same philosophy, owning and keeping control of every part of their business, and is making ever bigger piles of money. They also treat their employees well and pay better than anybody else in the business.
llmart
(15,540 posts)With their little black boy as their trademark?
late nite after a gig.....off to Sambos.
llmart
(15,540 posts)My roommate and I used to go to Perkins Pancake House too! Stay out really late (ah, youth), hang out at Perkins trying to pick up guys, sleep for about 4 hours then get up to go to work. Used to drive our VW Beatles round and round the Manners Big Boy lot looking for guys too.
Geez, I was a loose woman
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)The little black boy was from a story about a kid from India who got two tigers to chase themselves around a tree so fast that they turned into butter.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/17824/17824-h/17824-h.htm
justice1
(795 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)JI7
(89,252 posts)and people prefer to either make stuff at home or go to many of the places shown on the tv shows which tend to be indie owned.
this is why it's a bad idea for idiots who own places that sell food that isn't that good like dennys to go off attacking people, espcially the type of people who are more likely to eat at their places.
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)they went the way of modified formed meat.
Tour bus's and seniors flocked to our every day.
AnnieBW
(10,429 posts)Bad service and marginal food killed it for us. We trekked down the road to Chevy's, which is MUCH better until recently. Then, a small, non-chain, family-owned Mexican restaurant opened up near us. Their food is EXCELLENT! And I feel better about patronizing them because they're a small business.
sakabatou
(42,158 posts)Bombero1956
(3,539 posts)Ground Round
Big Boy
Hardee's
Bonanza
Ponderosa
Burger Chef
Roy Rogers
tj_crackersnatch
(82 posts)Stuckeys
Weinerschnitzel
Waffle House
Are they still around?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Waffle House is an institution at damn near every freeway off-ramp in the South.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)And mighty tasty, may I add. Even if its CEO is a sexually harassing jerk.
There are a few Stuckey's around, but not a whole lot. That's another place I immediately associate with family vacations growing up. There was one on US 301 in Dalghren, Virginia that we always used to stop at right after crossing over the Potomac River.
Waffle House, Stuckey's, Shoney's.....all part of my childhood memories of the long drive down to Florida every summer for vacation. That and drinking Mello Yello, which they didn't sell in Maryland but sold throughout the South.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)Portland OR is food cart heaven .... There are countless local options when we include the many amazing brick and mortar restaurants that also seem to excel in this quirky, lovable city ....
Downtown itself has very few mainstream, national chain restaurants, if any ... Other than an occasional Carl's Jr and McDonald's, national restaurants barely exist ..... We are so spoiled ....
watch the sky
(129 posts)used to live in Portland, OR, now in Olympia/Tumwater area . . . more and better choices down there but most of the chains mentioned in the OP are either long gone from here or never were here.
sylvi
(813 posts)They had great comfort food at reasonable prices. I especially liked their egg custard and pecan pies. They sold out in the mid-Nineties to Piccadilly Cafeterias and the food just wasn't quite as good afterwards.