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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsScientists claim that homosexuality is not genetic — but it arises in the womb
A team of international researchers has completed a study that suggests we will probably never find a gay gene.' Sexual orientation is not about genetics, say the researchers, it's about epigenetics. This is the process where DNA expression is influenced by any number of external factors in the environment. And in the case of homosexuality, the researchers argue, the environment is the womb itself.
The Epigenetic Key
Writing in The Quarterly Review of Biology, researchers William Rice, a professor at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Urban Friberg, a professor at Uppsala University in Sweden, believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after we're born.
Specifically, the researchers discovered sex-specific epi-marks which, unlike most genetic switches, get passed down from father to daughter or mother to son. Most epi-marks don't normally pass between generations and are essentially "erased." Rice and Friberg say this explains why homosexuality appears to run in families, yet has no real genetic underpinning.
Epigenetic mechanisms can be seen as an added layer of information that clings to our DNA. Epi-marks regulate the expression of genes according to the strength of external cues. Genes are basically the instruction book, while epi-marks direct how those instructions get carried out. For example, they can determine when, where, and how much of a gene gets expressed.
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randome
(34,845 posts)It is dozens, perhaps hundreds, of different factors coming into play. It shouldn't make any difference one way or the other -people should be free to love whomever they want- but knowledge and truth matter.
JaneyVee
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)There is too much scientific evidence to refute it. I attended a lecture on the sex changing of catfish, since the males had better meat. You can change the sex of fish very easily to male.
This doesn't change the fact that once we are here in the world, there isn't a damn thing we can do about the fact that we are homosexual. It may produce other factors, too. The bottom line, though, is that we are born this way even if we may not be conceived this way.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)Don't forget, you're eating for two...
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Christian Book Stores have done it for decades.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Don't say that. Unfortunately, I'm sure you're right.
RC
(25,592 posts)And why can't it be both, anyway?
How is that a problem for some? Might it be some closet homophobic is afraid that they might actually be ultimately responsible for their offspring being, ahhh, you know... hmmmm... Gay?
Oh, the horror!
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backscatter712
(26,355 posts)I do think that part of it is indeed genetics, part of it is epigenetics - or as explained in the article, the way genes are turned on or off biochemically, especially in the womb and early development, part of it is hormonal, and maybe there's a part of it that's imprinted based on the experiences of a baby before the age of two.
In any case, nobody consciously chooses their sexual orientation, and I doubt that the mother or father have control over the process either (despite what the fundies are likely to to say when they hear about epigenetics.)
randome
(34,845 posts)But some people put all their eggs -so to speak- on the idea that genes ONLY determine sexual orientation. We should never have embraced that idea as completely as was done because it's possible fundamentalists will now say, "See? We told you it wasn't just genes!"
And all the while, we know they don't have a fucking clue about what they're talking about but they will use this to further confuse their sheep.
And even this information will likely become outdated soon. Maybe it's best to simply say, "Sexual orientation is the result of biochemical factors that occur in the fetus." And leave it at that.
Or maybe I'm parsing too much here.
RC
(25,592 posts)They don't. It is the genes of the parents, one way or the other. The mother for sure and maybe the father's.
The genes have to influence epigenetics somehow. Otherwise we could pretty well predict the sexual orientation of the new born kid by now, with a blood test of the mother... Or of the kid.
Question? Why with identical twins, is the chance of homosexuality of one of them the same as for the general population? Why not both the same, one way or the other? Something else has to be going on here too.
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Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)That IS genetic - it's part of the gene mechanism, even if it isn't a specific gene.
randome
(34,845 posts)I think the point is that it's more complicated than we assumed. Hell, EVERYTHING about human genetics is more complicated than we thought.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)For the longest time, molecular biologists had assumed that introns, those sections of DNA between coded genes, were just nonsense DNA that was ignored.
And I remember seeing some articles that stated that biologists had found that introns actually code a lot essential stuff, like how genes get activated.
Yes, it's complex.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)The process was costly and very painful but finally gave him a measure of peace and happiness. EOM.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)...I expect many abortion-minded parents will want to know exactly how strong this epi-marker is in their unborn children so they can decide whether or not to exercise reproductive choice.
In fact, I expect that if this theory gains some currency, it will not be long before we have legislation from the homoexual lobby prohibiting sex-selection abortions on any child carrying this epi-marker.
caraher
(6,278 posts)I don't see why anyone should particularly care whether someone comes to their sexual identity because of deterministic biological factors or because they just woke up one morning and decided that's what they wanted to do. The bottom line is it's pretty much nobody else's business whether I or any other individual tends to be attracted to, or identify with, men or women, or even reject those categories as meaningful to them.
That's not to say that all ideas about the relevant factors have equal merit - far from it! But even if I accept the most absurd suggestions from homophobes, for instance, that to be homosexual is a free choice, I fail to see how that implies I or anyone else should take that to mean anything about whether homosexuals should have the same rights as anyone else.