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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:08 AM Dec 2012

Foxy Ladies -- Why one network applies so much makeup

I was in the break room making coffee, and ran across this item from September. Just thought I'd share

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Fox no doubt has several reasons for pursuing the look one guest described as “Fox glam.” The advent of high-­definition TV screens is probably one of them: saturated colors (including, conveniently, red) work well in HD. And then there’s the management. Gabriel Sherman, a journalist working on a book about Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes, notes makeup’s unique role in Ailes’s creation myth, which dates to a fateful encounter with Richard Nixon. When Nixon lost to John F. Kennedy, in 1960, many said that his fate had been sealed by bad makeup during a televised debate. Before an appearance on The Mike Douglas Show seven years later, Nixon groused about having to stoop so low as to go on television; Ailes, the executive producer for the show, persuaded him to embrace the medium, and the makeup. Nixon hired him to work on his next presidential campaign, and won.


Ailes, Sherman points out, under-stands that while TV news may be journalism, it is also entertainment. “He works like a Broadway producer,” says Sherman (indeed, at one point Ailes was a Broadway producer). That, Sherman says, is why Fox sets look like stage sets: “The colors are brighter, the camera angles faster. Everything pops on the screen more, every­thing is eye candy.”

But the best explanation for Fox glam may be the channel’s largely conservative audience. An argument can be made that conservative women are typically less squeamish than progressive ones about embracing what the sociologist Catherine Hakim calls “erotic capital,” otherwise known as using your looks to get ahead. See the gleeful Laura Ingraham/­Ann Coulter school of beauty­ology, which holds that the angrier and better-­coiffed you are, the more attention you will receive. The Republican Party welcomes looks in a woman—Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Nikki Haley—and so does Fox.


The media critic Jack Shafer adds that the women you see on Fox are not just winsome, lavishly cosmeticized women, but winsome women paired with older men. He says the network almost appears to be taking a page from the theory of evolutionary psychology, which argues that women are attracted to prosperous (often older) men, and these men are attracted to women whose youth and curves signal fertility. “

The men are kind of frumpy older men,” Sherman agrees, “paired with hyper-feminine women. That kind of kinetic energy between the sexes is one of the reasons Fox is successful. Oftentimes the older male hosts—Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity—in the prime time, at night, are paired with women, debating politics, and the women are generally much younger … It almost goes back to 1940s Hollywood.” For guests, the Hollywood screwball routine can be unnerving. It was for Nell Minow, a critic of inflated CEO pay, who was taken aback when a producer urged her to “attack the masculinity” of her debate partner.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/09/foxy-ladies/309054/
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Foxy Ladies -- Why one network applies so much makeup (Original Post) CatWoman Dec 2012 OP
because it works for them??????????? dembotoz Dec 2012 #1
You always find interesting things, CW!1 n/t UTUSN Dec 2012 #2
Well... HappyMe Dec 2012 #3
I'm hoping someone will explain it to me....... CatWoman Dec 2012 #4
Have a seat then.. HappyMe Dec 2012 #7
I luvs me some hyper-feminine women... trumad Dec 2012 #20
I think in this case, it's making them look as different from men and normal women as possible ehrnst Dec 2012 #6
Oh my goodness In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #16
Alert!!1 HappyMe Dec 2012 #17
Let me help you out. In_The_Wind Dec 2012 #21
It takes a lot of paint to cover... 99Forever Dec 2012 #5
RW men aren't going to pay attention to an average looking woman on TV, especially if she's angry ehrnst Dec 2012 #8
"The paint reassures them that she wants to please them" Care Acutely Dec 2012 #72
Hannity looks kind of odd as a blonde. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #9
i will wait for our men at du that promote this shit, to tell us how it is.... nt seabeyond Dec 2012 #10
and how hotness is this emo-lutionary NEED and women should just accept it? Care Acutely Dec 2012 #74
Salt/Pepper-Haired Middle Age uncle type paired with a young-ish buxom female! HughBeaumont Dec 2012 #11
Sex sells, especially to the ignorant trash that comprise the vast majority of the Fox audience. n/t RomneyLies Dec 2012 #12
Same reason Murdoch has page three girls... Historic NY Dec 2012 #13
Ummm, this isn't really unique to Fox. PavePusher Dec 2012 #14
from the article: CatWoman Dec 2012 #22
And I'm currently looking and seeing exactly the same thing.... PavePusher Dec 2012 #24
I don't CatWoman Dec 2012 #26
Firstly, none of these women, on Fox or any other network, qualify for those slurs. PavePusher Dec 2012 #40
whatever floats your boat CatWoman Dec 2012 #42
Hey, I'm not the one throwing out insulting labels towards women. PavePusher Dec 2012 #45
bless your heart X2..... CatWoman Dec 2012 #47
It's okay, they're presumably REPUBLICAN women, hughee99 Dec 2012 #57
seriously -- we're now the ones labelling some women as looking like "sluts" based on their clothing onenote Dec 2012 #43
I'm sorry but whenever I see Ann Coulter in one of those tiny, ill-fitting dresses CatWoman Dec 2012 #48
CNN right now, presenter in tight bright red dress, mid-thigh length, knee-high boots... PavePusher Dec 2012 #50
wah!!!! wah!!!!! CatWoman Dec 2012 #79
Then your reading comprehension is teh sux. Have a nice day. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #82
I am watching Tamryn Hall for the first time DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #28
not just the ladies Enrique Dec 2012 #15
+1.. Hannity too.. SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #60
This "stuff" also comes from Rupert Murdoch and his use of page 3 girls @ The Sun .... Botany Dec 2012 #18
Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are considered "lookers?" Fawke Em Dec 2012 #19
They might attract my gaze the same way that a terrible car accident does. EOTE Dec 2012 #32
"look-awayers" DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #34
I would have considered them "cute" about 10-15 years ago Mike Daniels Dec 2012 #39
I saw a clip of Coulter on The Lawrence O'Donnell show. gkhouston Dec 2012 #46
I think she's had some work done, seriously. closeupready Dec 2012 #81
Could be. The thing that caught my eye was that whoever had done her make-up gkhouston Dec 2012 #84
I've also noticed that the women on FOX wear short tight skirts PA Democrat Dec 2012 #23
Fux X-pr0n stars. L0oniX Dec 2012 #25
So you think of a woman who wears make-up as a "porn star"? Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #33
Did I say that? L0oniX Dec 2012 #58
aww how cute RandiFan1290 Dec 2012 #70
Not mad in the slightest. It's just that "makeup = pornstar" is an unusual attitude Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #71
lol! What? HappyMe Dec 2012 #36
Did I say that? L0oniX Dec 2012 #59
"TV news may be journalism" arcane1 Dec 2012 #27
That's what some people are saying. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #61
Their target audience is in Texas and Florida, not Vermont and Oregon? FarCenter Dec 2012 #29
Is this article suggesting that they're made up to look like trophy wives? Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #30
pretty much CatWoman Dec 2012 #37
Man, I can so believe that. Baitball Blogger Dec 2012 #38
and the men on Fox are the opposite of eye candy renate Dec 2012 #31
Krauthammer looks just like Richie Rich's evil cousin, Reggie CatWoman Dec 2012 #35
OMG Care Acutely Dec 2012 #76
that's perfect renate Dec 2012 #86
That goes to one of the points of the essay -- "rich older men" (looks don't matter) + Nay Dec 2012 #41
I'll try not to take that personally! stevenleser Dec 2012 #64
First things first...let's see your legs, Steve. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #83
Be careful what you wish for! stevenleser Dec 2012 #90
well, clearly you do not belong on Fox! renate Dec 2012 #87
Makes sense after Guy Whitey Corngood Dec 2012 #44
Lol ismnotwasm Dec 2012 #49
What an amazing likeness!!!! They could be brothers kimbutgar Dec 2012 #51
It seems they know they have a fan base Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #52
Last paragraph says it all. ieoeja Dec 2012 #53
I love Megyn Kelly's "'I'm a woman & I KNOW" look she uses when the facts go south on her. pic dogknob Dec 2012 #63
"math you use as a Republican to make yourself feel better" BainsBane Dec 2012 #65
Thanks to my housemate I am exposed to FOX on a regular basis... dogknob Dec 2012 #66
Fox News Firsts! bongbong Dec 2012 #54
Morning joe is another example DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #55
She really is gorgeous. lightcameron Dec 2012 #56
to Hide the Underlying Ugliness Warren Religion Dec 2012 #62
It makes a perverted kind of sense. silverweb Dec 2012 #67
You're absolutely right on this GiaGiovanni Dec 2012 #73
The Fox Ladies always look like... rufus dog Dec 2012 #68
Style over substance. moondust Dec 2012 #69
Nikki Haley is good-looking? closeupready Dec 2012 #75
You can find an unflattering picuture of anyone. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #77
Many here have theorized that an ugly interior will closeupready Dec 2012 #80
Totally agree. Said the same about Hillary myself upthread. Care Acutely Dec 2012 #85
Okay, understood. closeupready Dec 2012 #88
Trohpy wives for white over 50 white conservative males Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #78
Yeah right treestar Dec 2012 #89
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. I think in this case, it's making them look as different from men and normal women as possible
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:38 AM
Dec 2012

I always think of a little miss pageant in the south when I see photos of the Fox Fembots - troweled and tarted up and prancing around in spandex.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. RW men aren't going to pay attention to an average looking woman on TV, especially if she's angry
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:41 AM
Dec 2012

The paint reassures them that she wants to please them.

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
72. "The paint reassures them that she wants to please them"
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:08 PM
Dec 2012

BY JOVE YOU'VE GOT IT!

Couldn't agree more. It also explains just part of why they hate, Hate, HATE Hillary. She's said publicly that if she doesn't have time or feel like makeup she doesn't worry about it anymore. Basically, "screw the paint, I've got a brain."

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
74. and how hotness is this emo-lutionary NEED and women should just accept it?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:20 PM
Dec 2012

If they are not a young, painted Barbie Doll, they should just go eat worms because men still run everything, and they like hot chicks, who cares about ability, education, professionalism, intelligence, work ethics, talent, and I dunno . . . human rights?

Yeah, I've seen that here a couple times here. WAY MORE outside of DU, but sadly, I've seen hints of it here. I guess DU is like any other community. A few bad apples, and all that.


HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
11. Salt/Pepper-Haired Middle Age uncle type paired with a young-ish buxom female!
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:46 AM
Dec 2012

Most newscasts look like second/third marriages . . . or affairs . . . especially on Repub networks like Faux or CNBC. Kind of explains the appeal to unevolved Repub guys.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
12. Sex sells, especially to the ignorant trash that comprise the vast majority of the Fox audience. n/t
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:47 AM
Dec 2012

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
13. Same reason Murdoch has page three girls...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:48 AM
Dec 2012

in his SUN newspaper spreads.

some people just call it porn.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
14. Ummm, this isn't really unique to Fox.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:51 AM
Dec 2012

Everyone on TV uses tons of make-up, male and female. Have since the begining of the technology.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
22. from the article:
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:16 AM
Dec 2012
Of course, TV news shows have always put a premium on appearance, more so for women than for men. And it’s hardly a revelation that some networks place more pressure on women than do others: C-SPAN has no makeup room at all, just a collection of powder compacts that guests can use if they are so inclined. At MSNBC, Rachel Maddow is known to prefer minimal makeup, while other anchors want more, and the artists oblige with a range of choices, from neutral tones to berry hues. Bloomberg TV tends toward the corporate aesthetic; CNN favors a professional style that makes women and men look crisp, as if they have been ironed. As for Fox, suffice it to say that there is a YouTube montage devoted to leg shots of Fox anchors, who are often outfitted in body-hugging dresses of vibrant red and turquoise, their eyes enhanced by not only liner and shadow but also false lashes. A Fox regular once commented to me that she gets more calls from network management about her hair, clothes, and makeup than about what she says. “I just think of it as a uniform,” she said of her getup.


it certainly appears that it "is" unique to Fox....

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
24. And I'm currently looking and seeing exactly the same thing....
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

on every news network and all the major broadcasters. On every morning show. Every. Single. One.

Huh....

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
26. I don't
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:11 PM
Dec 2012

huh, indeed........

Soledad O'Brien doesn't look like a streetwalker

Tamron Hall doesn't look like an overmade tart

Melissa Harris Perry doesn't look like a circus clown

Alex Wagner doesn't look like a slut

Rachel Maddow neither

I've never seen any of those women overly made up and/or wearing very short skirts.

P.S. -- there's a huge difference between "makeup" and "overly made up"

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
40. Firstly, none of these women, on Fox or any other network, qualify for those slurs.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:56 PM
Dec 2012

Right now on CNN, whoever that is is wearing a quite sexy dress. The two presenters on NBC. Every channel I checked had a female in a relatively short, snug dress in a bright color.

I'll admit that as a male with no understanding of fashion, I may not have the right biases to judge this correctly.

Or, maybe I'm just refusing to be sexist.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
57. It's okay, they're presumably REPUBLICAN women,
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:04 PM
Dec 2012

so calling them a "slut", "tart", "streetwalker" or "circus clown" based on their makeup and wardrobe is okay. As much people find it offensive that Limpballs would call someone a slut based on a political disagreement, it seems to happen from DUers often enough too.

The difference is, when Dems say it about repukes, it's TRUE, so it's okay... yeah, we'll go with that until we can come up with some better justification for it.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
43. seriously -- we're now the ones labelling some women as looking like "sluts" based on their clothing
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:10 PM
Dec 2012

I don't give a rat's ass how much or little makeup the women (or men) on any news program wear. I care about whether they report the news fairly and accurately. You could dress the Fox newscasters in burlap bags and I would still have no respect for them.

CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
48. I'm sorry but whenever I see Ann Coulter in one of those tiny, ill-fitting dresses
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:18 PM
Dec 2012

that's the first word that pops in my head.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
50. CNN right now, presenter in tight bright red dress, mid-thigh length, knee-high boots...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 04:55 PM
Dec 2012

with what look like 4" heels.

Where does that fit into your lexicon of "streetwalker", "overmade tart", "circus clown", and "slut"?

DollarBillHines

(1,922 posts)
28. I am watching Tamryn Hall for the first time
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:20 PM
Dec 2012

I am in NY and am watching her show for the first time (I live in CA and I'm usually sleeping at this time of day).

She looks as if she has been made up using a paint roller.

Maybe it's the teevee in my hotel.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
60. +1.. Hannity too..
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:40 PM
Dec 2012

When they turn their head you can see the makeup line at their chin.. It makes me laugh, thinking about these gun loving, "tough" patriotic, Murikans, sitting in the makeup chair discussing which shade of blush they should use today...

Botany

(70,516 posts)
18. This "stuff" also comes from Rupert Murdoch and his use of page 3 girls @ The Sun ....
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:00 AM
Dec 2012

.... newspaper in England.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
19. Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter are considered "lookers?"
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:09 AM
Dec 2012

Really?

Could some men chime in here? I find neither particularly attractive.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
32. They might attract my gaze the same way that a terrible car accident does.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:35 PM
Dec 2012

"Heinous" is the first word that comes to mind when I see them. I've made earnest attempts to judge their aesthetic appeal (because I, like you, have heard so many comments regarding their attractiveness) trying to not factor in what wretched people they are, but looking at them as objectively as possible, I couldn't imagine being attracted to either one.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
39. I would have considered them "cute" about 10-15 years ago
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:49 PM
Dec 2012

Now they're looking pretty much like Dorian Gray's portrait at the end of that tale.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
46. I saw a clip of Coulter on The Lawrence O'Donnell show.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 03:56 PM
Dec 2012

She had a decent makeup job (lots of neutrals, including the lipstick) and actually did look nice.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
81. I think she's had some work done, seriously.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:12 PM
Dec 2012

If you look at her from a couple years ago, and then more recently, she definitely has had some fillers done.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
84. Could be. The thing that caught my eye was that whoever had done her make-up
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:06 PM
Dec 2012

had opted for something less garish that what we usually see.

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
23. I've also noticed that the women on FOX wear short tight skirts
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:20 AM
Dec 2012

and never pass up an opportunity to show off their legs.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
71. Not mad in the slightest. It's just that "makeup = pornstar" is an unusual attitude
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 09:47 AM
Dec 2012

on a progressive message board.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
36. lol! What?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:45 PM
Dec 2012

So any woman that wears a little too much make up and a short skirt is a "porn star"?

renate

(13,776 posts)
31. and the men on Fox are the opposite of eye candy
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

And the list of strikingly unattractive male guests is actually pretty equivalent to the list of male guests. I don't watch Fox but I see clips of them on MSNBC and... well, I'll just come out and say that Charles Krauthammer is terrifying. And he's not the only one. Why are all the women on Fox gorgeous (or blonde, the conservative equivalent) and not (as far as I have ever seen) a single man is?

I hope it's clear that I'm not gratuitously making fun of anybody's appearance, or judging them, or anything like that, because good looks are merely good luck. I'm wondering why Fox seems to have made a deliberate decision that women's looks are extremely important and men's looks matter not at all.

Edited to add that I guess I did gratuitously make fun of, and kind of judge, Charles Krauthammer. That wasn't nice of me.

renate

(13,776 posts)
86. that's perfect
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:36 PM
Dec 2012

I'd always thought that he looked like Sam the Eagle, but this guy is his doppelganger.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
41. That goes to one of the points of the essay -- "rich older men" (looks don't matter) +
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 02:53 PM
Dec 2012

"young female eye candy" is a social construct that rich and not-so-rich men enjoy. Thus it appears on Fox.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
83. First things first...let's see your legs, Steve.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:38 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe show up dressed like Fabio on a cover shoot, give the blue-haired Republican women a little thrill next time.




Or maybe a pirate outfit!


That would be AWESOME!!!









Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
52. It seems they know they have a fan base
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:00 PM
Dec 2012

that judges people by their appearance. I'm not surprised at this at all.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
53. Last paragraph says it all.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:26 PM
Dec 2012

“It’s that little scowling look they give you when they’re delivering the news,” she continued. “It’s like the bitchy girl in high school, [but] now she’s your friend, and you hate the same people.”


BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
65. "math you use as a Republican to make yourself feel better"
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:01 AM
Dec 2012

Last edited Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:38 AM - Edit history (1)

to Karl Rove on election night. I liked when she said that. I don't watch Fox enough to know if she's remotely bearable otherwise. I get my Fox from the Daily Show.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
66. Thanks to my housemate I am exposed to FOX on a regular basis...
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:15 AM
Dec 2012

Sometimes I get the feeling that Megyn is aware she's working a gig aboard the Titanic. It might pay well, but it's still the Titanic; be aware of the location of all lifeboats.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
54. Fox News Firsts!
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 06:08 PM
Dec 2012

First to go to court to argue that they could tell known lies and call them "news".

First to have one of their "serious" woman journalists strip for a men's magazine.

What a quality channel it is!

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
67. It makes a perverted kind of sense.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:30 AM
Dec 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]Fox isn't out to inform or educate people in any straightforward way. It's out to stimulate the reptilian brain and emotional centers in its conservative audience.

Sensationalism and sex sell -- and that includes spreading fear and bigotry.

 

GiaGiovanni

(1,247 posts)
73. You're absolutely right on this
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:14 PM
Dec 2012

It's about circumventing the cerebral cortex and getting right to the reptilian brain.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
69. Style over substance.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:55 AM
Dec 2012

That's Republicanism. Cosmetics and lies.

(I think the deeper cultural connection is that many Republican/conservative women have historically had the money to frequent beauty parlors and buy lots of cosmetics, and that's what many Republican/conservative men developed a taste for.)

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
75. Nikki Haley is good-looking?
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:26 PM
Dec 2012

????




Not seeing it. I see hair coloring, bleached teeth, heavy foundation/makeup.

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
77. You can find an unflattering picuture of anyone.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 03:49 PM
Dec 2012

I probably know less about the woman than I should, mostly because I do not believe for a second that the cavemen of the right will ever allow her to get too far, even if she says all the right things. She still can't be a good ol' fashund real 'Murican white girl, and even Mc Sarah had to be appointed to notoriety by a desperate old man. They hate women, but that's not the point I make here. Nikki Haley appears to me to be a nice looking woman. She's not 19, but she seems to look nice when I see her.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
80. Many here have theorized that an ugly interior will
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 04:05 PM
Dec 2012

over time, express itself on the outside, as well. I find many of these Republican 'beauties' to be physically ugly with lots of paint to hide the ugliness - bottle blondes, heavy foundation, mascara, hair color, high heels, boob jobs, botox, etc.

Hillary Clinton, in contrast, kind of sets a different tone - physically not graced with much natural beauty, but has an inner radiance and nurturing that I think is attractive; icing on the cake is recent statements she's made that she feels she's old enough now that she doesn't have to wear make-up anymore if she doesn't feel like it. Gotta respect a woman who demands to be respected for exactly who she is.

Care Acutely

(1,370 posts)
85. Totally agree. Said the same about Hillary myself upthread.
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:33 PM
Dec 2012

I also agree with the idea put forth that all of that paint and what-not often serves to assure some men that the female wants to please them - an absolute requirement of the right.

Just saying that if I saw NH in a crowd, I would probably think that she looks nice, and I would have little reason to think much more about it unless she started talking.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
89. Yeah right
Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:47 PM
Dec 2012

How many times have they told us that? Maybe that's why their ratings are going down. We don't want old men when we're young. In the primitive wild (to which the right wing is forever referring) of course we would want the strongest men. Tarzan wasn't portrayed as old. Trophy wives are not "natural."

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