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http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/12/morrissey-royal-family-nurse-death<snip>
Morrissey has blamed the royal family for the suspected suicide of Jacintha Saldanha. The singer accused the royals of "staggering arrogance" following the death of Saldanha, a nurse who was tricked by two Australian DJs into revealing details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy.
"It wasn't because of two DJs in Australia that this woman took her own life, it was the pressure around her," Morrissey told New Zealand's 3News. While much of this stress can be blamed on the press, he said, or the "maximum pressure [of] the Palace and Clarence House," he called on the duchess to take direct responsibility.
"[She] was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," the singer said. "She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is absolutely staggering."
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CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)but mostly I blame the woman who killed herself for killing herself.
cali
(114,904 posts)Confusious
(8,317 posts)Btw, I like his music.
But reality is reality.
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)Classic.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)I was more of a "how soon is now" person.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Morrissey is seeking another 15 minutes of fame. Hopefully when that's up he'll just go back to playing with himself.
Tosser.
malaise
(269,054 posts)but I agree with the rest
karynnj
(59,504 posts)which all of us who actually have been pregnant know that morning sickness is in the first trimester - often the first clue that you are pregnant.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)My cousin had it, and had to take leave from work for two months. It destroyed her.
mr blur
(7,753 posts)the nurse who committed suicide was not the one who revealed "details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy". She simply answered the phone and put the call through to another nurse.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)The allegation appears to have no merit.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)I was wondering the same thing.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Is he a doctor? This condition is not life-threatening, but there can be problems if the mother doesn't take certain steps. From what I have heard, it is nothing like regular morning sickness. I won't begrudge her any treatment royal or not.
If this had been anybody else in the royal family, the outcry would have not been as severe. These 2 are liked quite a bit by the British public. In addition, you have the ghost of Diana added.
The nurse was caught in a perfect storm of ridicule. There is no way to know what was really said or being said to her by the people in the hospital. She obviously could not cope. That's not her fault. Everybody is different.
As far as Kate speaking out, her every move is circumscribed by her position. The overall attitude of the royal family, the press, and the public all rolled into one is a juggernaut of judgement.
His views have validity, but he misses the mark in some of his vitriol. Kate is not above criticism but I think part of this is unwarranted.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)that men could get pregnant and experience the gawd awful effects of morning sickness. He'd cry like a baby. What an insensitive jerk to minimize the complications of pregnancy only women can know.
My Pet Goat
(413 posts)and viruses are a major cause of fetal morbidity. What a rube. This will make it very hard for me to enjoy his music.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)the ignorance being perpetuated here is appalling....
ananda
(28,866 posts)I do NOT like the remnant monarchy though.
Morrissey is an asshole.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)a severe, debilitating nausea and vomiting in pregnancy that generally leads to more than 5 percent weight loss and may require fluid and nutritional supplement.
It is different from the more common nausea and vomiting known as morning sickness. Dehydration, malnutrition, and other serious complications are the result of the "unrelenting, excessive pregnancy-related nausea and/or vomiting that prevents adequate intake of food and fluids."[1]
Hyperemesis is considered a rare complication of pregnancy but, because nausea and vomiting during pregnancy exist on a continuum, there is often not a good diagnosis between common morning sickness and hyperemesis. Estimates of the percentage of pregnant women afflicted range from 0.3% to 2%.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum
nenagh
(1,925 posts)symptoms or conditions of any female regarding any strictly female condition..in this case pregnancy.
Shut up old man, Morrissey, and stop assuming some superiority of knowledge probably based on the fact that your auld Mum was never sick a day in her life, when pregnant.
Women are individuals. We are not genetic clones. We each react differently to pregnancies and the severity or not, of sickness early in pregnancy or, in some rare cases, sickness that continues through all of the pregnancy.
End of rant.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)It is a fucked up state of affairs when the privileged few can set up a sysytem where they are looked upon as better than everybody else.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)and DOES cause considerable mortality in areas of the world where hospitalization or intense medical intervention is not an option. This isn't your casual, ordinary level of "morning sickness"...She has hyperemesis gravidarum and yes, women DO die from this if not treated and face a choice between medications whose safety margins have not been established for the fetus--or in some cases intractable symptoms throughout the pregnancy. Ever been vomiting continuously for a day? A week? 9 months?
LONDON (AP) While morning sickness in pregnant women is common, the problem the Duchess of Cambridge has been hospitalized with is not.
In a statement Monday, palace officials said she was hospitalized with hyperemesis gravidarum, a potentially dangerous type of morning sickness where vomiting is so severe no food or liquid can be kept down. Palace officials said the duchess was expected to remain hospitalized for several days and would require a period of rest afterwards.
Its not unusual for pregnant women to get morning sickness, but when it gets to the point where youre dehydrated, losing weight or vomiting so much you begin to build up (toxic) products in your blood, thats a concern, said Dr. Kecia Gaither, director of maternal fetal medicine at Brookdale University and Medical Center in New York.
The condition is thought to affect about one in 50 pregnant women and tends to be more common in young women, women who are pregnant for the first time, those expecting multiple babies and in non-smokers. Gaither said that fewer than one percent of women with the condition need to be hospitalized.
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/03/explainer_why_was_pregnant_duchess_hospitalized/
The doctor couldnt guarantee the drug, Zofran, would not harm the baby. Ominously, it usually was prescribed for cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy. But she also could not guarantee the nausea would stop if I were rehydrated. She couldnt tell me how long Id be in the hospital. HG, like morning sickness, eases in most women by 12 weeks, but in some it could last the whole pregnancy. The idea of suffering this nausea another day, let alone another 34 weeks, was untenable. I felt I had no choice. I took the drug.
Zofran pulled me back from the brink. Within an hour of taking it, I felt well enough to eat. I still felt nauseated 24 hours a day, but I was no longer desperate. I lived by the clock. Every four hours as the drug wore off, the nausea heightened again. Eating regularly was essential. All the home remedies for morning sicknessginger tea, pressure bandsproved useless. Eventually, I got some relief from expensive acupuncture appointments. But it was not covered by insurance. The one consolation was that sickness is a sign of a healthy pregnancy. But I was so miserable, I found it hard to feel joy in that.
It was far too early to tell anyone we were pregnant. Most people wait until 12 weeks, and the risk of miscarriage (one in four pregnancies) has passed. But we had no choice. As Christmas approached, I had to say no to every holiday celebration. As my freelance-journalism deadlines piled up, I had to tell my editors I was struggling to leave my bed.
I found little sympathy. An estimated seven in 10 pregnant women suffer morning sickness. No one I knew had been confined to her bed, nearly incapable of functioning, for weeks on end. People expect you to buck up and deal with it. They offer a constant, insistent advice that what worked for them will work for you. I was just lucky I didnt have to report to an office every day.
A CNN story at the time reported that a woman had terminated her pregnancy because of morning sickness. Friends were shocked. I had sympathy.
Week 12 came and went with no improvement. A once-niggling background fear that I would be one of the unlucky few who had HG for nine months began to look very real.
Bed rest sucks and I should know. I was on it for more than five months of my pregnancy. Four of those months were not what most people think of as bed rest: No doctor prescribed it. Instead, an extreme case of hyperemesis gravidarum (excessive vomiting while pregnant) made me so sick and weak that I was forced to stay in bed. I faced repeated dehydration and countless hospital trips. I couldnt eat because Id throw up, but at the same time I was hungry. I lay awake many nights quite literally starving, but too scared to eat. After six weeks of that, I was put on a 24-hour I.V., which essentially confined me to bed for two and a half more months. I could eat and drink almost nothing, and every distraction, from reading to listening to music was too much. Even the alarm clock display was too bright to bear.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)1. I agree that Morissey was wrong and ignorant about her condition. My sister in law had the exact same thing and she was hospitalized.
2. He is spot on about the childish system that allows kings and queens and princesses to exist outside of a Tim Gunn cartoon.
Now that we have this cleared up, can we all get back to talking about Pippa's ass?
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)I'm glad you came back to clarify because that was a disgusting comment (and beyond ignorant) from Morrisey
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)I'm dumb that way.
malaise
(269,054 posts)and it is fucked up - they are horrible people
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I doubt she's there for fun. Severe morning sickness can cause dehydration, which is dangerous. She isn't the first woman hospitalized for severe morning sickness. When Morrissey gets his MD, maybe I'll listen to his medical advice.
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)What incredible and unspeakable ignorance...
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)the royal family and her hospital, and the public shame of that was too much to bear. Nurses make mistakes, most don't kill themselves--sounds like a combination of shaky mental health and this particular circumstance involving the royal family. She was probably very proud to work at the facility that cared for the Duchess, and also probably took her work very seriously. And if you think the Queen is calling you...and you're British...well, what would you do? Hang up on her?
Laurian
(2,593 posts)background may also have led her to have a more significant reaction to the breech than others might.
I am very sympathetic to her and her family.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,321 posts)He explained to me how seriously Jacintha took her nursing duties, how crucial patient confidentiality is to nurses like her, and how devastating it would have been for her to be humiliated not just in front of the world but more importantly in front of her professional colleagues. I found it humbling to realise how some people literally take the principles underpinning their jobs deadly seriously. Sadly no one else in this sorry affair did.
http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/12/11/the-interview-with-australian-djs-raises-professional-questions/
malaise
(269,054 posts)but the stupid DJs are not responsible for her suicide
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)...is another second he's kept from the recording studio.
Blather on, Mo, for the sake of us all.
marybourg
(12,633 posts)from the press and the people than "the royals", who as far as i can see, do perform some public function?
Avalux
(35,015 posts)He was front man of one of the best bands of the 80's, and his disgust for the queen and royal family is well known.
marybourg
(12,633 posts)and I don't see how being in a band qualifies one to speak on gynecology or the state of mind of a stranger- be that stranger a duchess or a secretary- and certainly not about whether someone else's status in society is appropriate or not.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)He speaks for that segment of the British population that does not think fondly of the royals. I don't agree with what he said, but he has every right to say it as a citizen of England.
marybourg
(12,633 posts)Why would we listen?
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)If he wasn't famous he'd just be another lunkhead with a big mouth.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)The English people buy into the myth that they are inferior to the royals. And if that's what they truly believe then it may as well be true. Otherwise the royal farce would go the way of the dodo bird.
Did they murder the nurse? Probably not directly. British royal customs and history did.
Americans threw off the yoke of royal rule for a reason. Back then it wasn't all about royal weddings and corgis.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and there will be a picture of Morrissey.