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malaise

(269,054 posts)
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:18 AM Dec 2012

Ah well - Morrissey blames royal family for nurse's death

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/12/morrissey-royal-family-nurse-death
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Morrissey has blamed the royal family for the suspected suicide of Jacintha Saldanha. The singer accused the royals of "staggering arrogance" following the death of Saldanha, a nurse who was tricked by two Australian DJs into revealing details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy.

"It wasn't because of two DJs in Australia that this woman took her own life, it was the pressure around her," Morrissey told New Zealand's 3News. While much of this stress can be blamed on the press, he said, or the "maximum pressure [of] … the Palace and Clarence House," he called on the duchess to take direct responsibility.

"[She] was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," the singer said. "She feels no shame about the death of this woman, she's saying nothing about the death of this poor woman. The arrogance of the British royals is absolutely staggering."
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Ah well - Morrissey blames royal family for nurse's death (Original Post) malaise Dec 2012 OP
I blame the royals and the attitudes about them more than I blame the DJs CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #1
gad. he's such a fucking moron asshole. cali Dec 2012 #26
You forgot "pretentious" Confusious Dec 2012 #30
Girlfriend in a coma... WCGreen Dec 2012 #33
I never really liked that one for some reason Confusious Dec 2012 #41
How is this the Royals' fault in anyway??? obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #37
was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason ? dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #2
I don't agree with that part malaise Dec 2012 #3
Not to mention the idiocy of suggesting it was too early in the pregnancy for morning sickness karynnj Dec 2012 #23
She has that horrible acute form of morning sickness obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #39
Well, he's right about the arrogance of these halfwits, but mr blur Dec 2012 #4
Who is Morrissey? Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #5
A person who is alleged to be able to sing. dipsydoodle Dec 2012 #7
Haha, thanks for asking, Sheldon. City Lights Dec 2012 #17
Wait!? Whut!? Are_grits_groceries Dec 2012 #6
Reading that story mostly made me wish Laurian Dec 2012 #8
Also, severe morning sickness can seem like the effect of a virus..... My Pet Goat Dec 2012 #9
It most certainly CAN be life-threatening. Please see my post 14... hlthe2b Dec 2012 #15
I like Will and Kate too. ananda Dec 2012 #35
Hyperemesis gravidarum HiPointDem Dec 2012 #40
Geeze, I'm absolutely fed up with any man who is not a physician, presuming to speak about nenagh Dec 2012 #10
He is right AngryAmish Dec 2012 #11
You are showing your own ignorance of this particular medical problem that can be life threatening.. hlthe2b Dec 2012 #14
You look at one part, I look at another AngryAmish Dec 2012 #19
you agreed with Morissey's statement with no qualification in your post... hlthe2b Dec 2012 #20
Quite frankly I missed the part where he said she was in the hospital for no good reason AngryAmish Dec 2012 #21
That's the part I agree with malaise Dec 2012 #16
He has no way of knowing if there's any reason for her to be in the hospital gollygee Dec 2012 #12
" was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," -- WHAT IGNORANCE! hlthe2b Dec 2012 #13
For those wondering who Morrissey is.... Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #18
If Morrissey says to blame the royals, then I'll not blame the royals because I hate Morrissey. phleshdef Dec 2012 #22
It's very plausible that this woman felt she had personally let down TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #24
I think the nurse's cultural Laurian Dec 2012 #29
A bit from someone who knew her professionally: muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #31
It's a horrible tragedy malaise Dec 2012 #38
I think Morrissey should take responsibility for his own stupidity. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2012 #25
Every second spent pontificating to the media Robb Dec 2012 #27
How is this "morrissey" any more worthy of attention marybourg Dec 2012 #28
Surely you jest? Avalux Dec 2012 #32
No, I don't jest. I had no interest in the popular music of the 80's, nor do I of the 10's, marybourg Dec 2012 #34
It's called free speech, and I was pointing out Morrissey is known for this sort of thing. Avalux Dec 2012 #43
O f course he has every right to say what he wants. The question is: marybourg Dec 2012 #44
He is a RW racist obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #36
You are correct. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #45
The royals are better than everyone else. In the past they could have people killed on a whim. Politicub Dec 2012 #42
Look up "pompous prat" in the dictionary hifiguy Dec 2012 #46

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
1. I blame the royals and the attitudes about them more than I blame the DJs
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:24 AM
Dec 2012

but mostly I blame the woman who killed herself for killing herself.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason ?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:25 AM
Dec 2012

Morrissey is seeking another 15 minutes of fame. Hopefully when that's up he'll just go back to playing with himself.

Tosser.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
23. Not to mention the idiocy of suggesting it was too early in the pregnancy for morning sickness
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:35 PM
Dec 2012

which all of us who actually have been pregnant know that morning sickness is in the first trimester - often the first clue that you are pregnant.

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
39. She has that horrible acute form of morning sickness
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:54 PM
Dec 2012

My cousin had it, and had to take leave from work for two months. It destroyed her.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
4. Well, he's right about the arrogance of these halfwits, but
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:27 AM
Dec 2012

the nurse who committed suicide was not the one who revealed "details of the Duchess of Cambridge's pregnancy". She simply answered the phone and put the call through to another nurse.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
6. Wait!? Whut!?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:33 AM
Dec 2012

Is he a doctor? This condition is not life-threatening, but there can be problems if the mother doesn't take certain steps. From what I have heard, it is nothing like regular morning sickness. I won't begrudge her any treatment royal or not.

If this had been anybody else in the royal family, the outcry would have not been as severe. These 2 are liked quite a bit by the British public. In addition, you have the ghost of Diana added.

The nurse was caught in a perfect storm of ridicule. There is no way to know what was really said or being said to her by the people in the hospital. She obviously could not cope. That's not her fault. Everybody is different.

As far as Kate speaking out, her every move is circumscribed by her position. The overall attitude of the royal family, the press, and the public all rolled into one is a juggernaut of judgement.

His views have validity, but he misses the mark in some of his vitriol. Kate is not above criticism but I think part of this is unwarranted.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
8. Reading that story mostly made me wish
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:41 AM
Dec 2012

that men could get pregnant and experience the gawd awful effects of morning sickness. He'd cry like a baby. What an insensitive jerk to minimize the complications of pregnancy only women can know.

My Pet Goat

(413 posts)
9. Also, severe morning sickness can seem like the effect of a virus.....
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:58 AM
Dec 2012

and viruses are a major cause of fetal morbidity. What a rube. This will make it very hard for me to enjoy his music.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
15. It most certainly CAN be life-threatening. Please see my post 14...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:28 AM
Dec 2012

the ignorance being perpetuated here is appalling....

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
40. Hyperemesis gravidarum
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:55 PM
Dec 2012

a severe, debilitating nausea and vomiting in pregnancy that generally leads to more than 5 percent weight loss and may require fluid and nutritional supplement.

It is different from the more common nausea and vomiting known as morning sickness. Dehydration, malnutrition, and other serious complications are the result of the "unrelenting, excessive pregnancy-related nausea and/or vomiting that prevents adequate intake of food and fluids."[1]

Hyperemesis is considered a rare complication of pregnancy but, because nausea and vomiting during pregnancy exist on a continuum, there is often not a good diagnosis between common morning sickness and hyperemesis. Estimates of the percentage of pregnant women afflicted range from 0.3% to 2%.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperemesis_gravidarum

nenagh

(1,925 posts)
10. Geeze, I'm absolutely fed up with any man who is not a physician, presuming to speak about
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:58 AM
Dec 2012

symptoms or conditions of any female regarding any strictly female condition..in this case pregnancy.

Shut up old man, Morrissey, and stop assuming some superiority of knowledge probably based on the fact that your auld Mum was never sick a day in her life, when pregnant.

Women are individuals. We are not genetic clones. We each react differently to pregnancies and the severity or not, of sickness early in pregnancy or, in some rare cases, sickness that continues through all of the pregnancy.

End of rant.



 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
11. He is right
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:00 AM
Dec 2012

It is a fucked up state of affairs when the privileged few can set up a sysytem where they are looked upon as better than everybody else.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
14. You are showing your own ignorance of this particular medical problem that can be life threatening..
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:27 AM
Dec 2012

and DOES cause considerable mortality in areas of the world where hospitalization or intense medical intervention is not an option. This isn't your casual, ordinary level of "morning sickness"...She has hyperemesis gravidarum and yes, women DO die from this if not treated and face a choice between medications whose safety margins have not been established for the fetus--or in some cases intractable symptoms throughout the pregnancy. Ever been vomiting continuously for a day? A week? 9 months?



LONDON (AP) — While morning sickness in pregnant women is common, the problem the Duchess of Cambridge has been hospitalized with is not.

In a statement Monday, palace officials said she was hospitalized with hyperemesis gravidarum, a potentially dangerous type of morning sickness where vomiting is so severe no food or liquid can be kept down. Palace officials said the duchess was expected to remain hospitalized for several days and would require a period of rest afterwards.

“It’s not unusual for pregnant women to get morning sickness, but when it gets to the point where you’re dehydrated, losing weight or vomiting so much you begin to build up (toxic) products in your blood, that’s a concern,” said Dr. Kecia Gaither, director of maternal fetal medicine at Brookdale University and Medical Center in New York.

The condition is thought to affect about one in 50 pregnant women and tends to be more common in young women, women who are pregnant for the first time, those expecting multiple babies and in non-smokers. Gaither said that fewer than one percent of women with the condition need to be hospitalized.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/03/explainer_why_was_pregnant_duchess_hospitalized/


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/05/prue-clarke-on-her-battles-with-kate-middleton-s-illness-hyperemesis-gravidarum.html
The doctor couldn’t guarantee the drug, Zofran, would not harm the baby. Ominously, it usually was prescribed for cancer patients undergoing chemotherapy. But she also could not guarantee the nausea would stop if I were rehydrated. She couldn’t tell me how long I’d be in the hospital. HG, like morning sickness, eases in most women by 12 weeks, but in some it could last the whole pregnancy. The idea of suffering this nausea another day, let alone another 34 weeks, was untenable. I felt I had no choice. I took the drug.

Zofran pulled me back from the brink. Within an hour of taking it, I felt well enough to eat. I still felt nauseated 24 hours a day, but I was no longer desperate. I lived by the clock. Every four hours as the drug wore off, the nausea heightened again. Eating regularly was essential. All the home remedies for morning sickness—ginger tea, pressure bands—proved useless. Eventually, I got some relief from expensive acupuncture appointments. But it was not covered by insurance. The one consolation was that sickness is a sign of a healthy pregnancy. But I was so miserable, I found it hard to feel joy in that.

It was far too early to tell anyone we were pregnant. Most people wait until 12 weeks, and the risk of miscarriage (one in four pregnancies) has passed. But we had no choice. As Christmas approached, I had to say no to every holiday celebration. As my freelance-journalism deadlines piled up, I had to tell my editors I was struggling to leave my bed.

I found little sympathy. An estimated seven in 10 pregnant women suffer morning sickness. No one I knew had been confined to her bed, nearly incapable of functioning, for weeks on end. People expect you to buck up and deal with it. They offer a constant, insistent advice that what worked for them will work for you. I was just lucky I didn’t have to report to an office every day.

A CNN story at the time reported that a woman had terminated her pregnancy because of morning sickness. Friends were shocked. I had sympathy.

Week 12 came and went with no improvement. A once-niggling background fear that I would be one of the unlucky few who had HG for nine months began to look very real.



http://www.salon.com/1998/10/05/05feature_8/
Bed rest sucks and I should know. I was on it for more than five months of my pregnancy. Four of those months were not what most people think of as bed rest: No doctor prescribed it. Instead, an extreme case of hyperemesis gravidarum (excessive vomiting while pregnant) made me so sick and weak that I was forced to stay in bed. I faced repeated dehydration and countless hospital trips. I couldn’t eat because I’d throw up, but at the same time I was hungry. I lay awake many nights quite literally starving, but too scared to eat. After six weeks of that, I was put on a 24-hour I.V., which essentially confined me to bed for two and a half more months. I could eat and drink almost nothing, and every distraction, from reading to listening to music was too much. Even the alarm clock display was too bright to bear.



 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
19. You look at one part, I look at another
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:23 PM
Dec 2012

1. I agree that Morissey was wrong and ignorant about her condition. My sister in law had the exact same thing and she was hospitalized.

2. He is spot on about the childish system that allows kings and queens and princesses to exist outside of a Tim Gunn cartoon.


Now that we have this cleared up, can we all get back to talking about Pippa's ass?

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
20. you agreed with Morissey's statement with no qualification in your post...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:25 PM
Dec 2012

I'm glad you came back to clarify because that was a disgusting comment (and beyond ignorant) from Morrisey

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
21. Quite frankly I missed the part where he said she was in the hospital for no good reason
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:26 PM
Dec 2012

I'm dumb that way.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
12. He has no way of knowing if there's any reason for her to be in the hospital
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 10:04 AM
Dec 2012

I doubt she's there for fun. Severe morning sickness can cause dehydration, which is dangerous. She isn't the first woman hospitalized for severe morning sickness. When Morrissey gets his MD, maybe I'll listen to his medical advice.

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
13. " was in the hospital, as far as I could see, for absolutely no reason," -- WHAT IGNORANCE!
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 11:18 AM
Dec 2012

What incredible and unspeakable ignorance...

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
24. It's very plausible that this woman felt she had personally let down
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:47 PM
Dec 2012

the royal family and her hospital, and the public shame of that was too much to bear. Nurses make mistakes, most don't kill themselves--sounds like a combination of shaky mental health and this particular circumstance involving the royal family. She was probably very proud to work at the facility that cared for the Duchess, and also probably took her work very seriously. And if you think the Queen is calling you...and you're British...well, what would you do? Hang up on her?

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
29. I think the nurse's cultural
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:31 PM
Dec 2012

background may also have led her to have a more significant reaction to the breech than others might.

I am very sympathetic to her and her family.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
31. A bit from someone who knew her professionally:
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:41 PM
Dec 2012
I happened to meet a hospital consultant over the weekend who has worked with and knew Jacintha. He was deeply distressed by what had happened. I expressed surprise that an incident for which she remained anonymous, wasn’t blamed or rebuked and which even Prince Charles later joked about, could possibly have led to her suicide.

He explained to me how seriously Jacintha took her nursing duties, how crucial patient confidentiality is to nurses like her, and how devastating it would have been for her to be humiliated not just in front of the world but more importantly in front of her professional colleagues. I found it humbling to realise how some people literally take the principles underpinning their jobs deadly seriously. Sadly no one else in this sorry affair did.

http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/12/11/the-interview-with-australian-djs-raises-professional-questions/

Robb

(39,665 posts)
27. Every second spent pontificating to the media
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:55 PM
Dec 2012

...is another second he's kept from the recording studio.

Blather on, Mo, for the sake of us all.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
28. How is this "morrissey" any more worthy of attention
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:12 PM
Dec 2012

from the press and the people than "the royals", who as far as i can see, do perform some public function?

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
32. Surely you jest?
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 05:46 PM
Dec 2012

He was front man of one of the best bands of the 80's, and his disgust for the queen and royal family is well known.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
34. No, I don't jest. I had no interest in the popular music of the 80's, nor do I of the 10's,
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 07:48 PM
Dec 2012

and I don't see how being in a band qualifies one to speak on gynecology or the state of mind of a stranger- be that stranger a duchess or a secretary- and certainly not about whether someone else's status in society is appropriate or not.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
43. It's called free speech, and I was pointing out Morrissey is known for this sort of thing.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:58 PM
Dec 2012

He speaks for that segment of the British population that does not think fondly of the royals. I don't agree with what he said, but he has every right to say it as a citizen of England.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
42. The royals are better than everyone else. In the past they could have people killed on a whim.
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 09:02 PM
Dec 2012

The English people buy into the myth that they are inferior to the royals. And if that's what they truly believe then it may as well be true. Otherwise the royal farce would go the way of the dodo bird.

Did they murder the nurse? Probably not directly. British royal customs and history did.

Americans threw off the yoke of royal rule for a reason. Back then it wasn't all about royal weddings and corgis.

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