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Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:35 PM Dec 2012

37,615 people sign unamerican petition to "outlaw offending prophets of major religions"

I was looking around the White House Petition site. There is a petition there to "outlaw offending prophets of major religions."

To enact a law that prohibits any action or literature that offend prophets of major religions:

- Moses

- Jesus

- Mohammad

Such acts offend billions of people, and cause unrest in the world. Furthermore, acts like this contradict the essence of coexistence and peace among humans. Labeling these acts as freedom of speech is similar to labeling murder as freedom of expression!

We all know the chaos such acts can cause, but it's difficult to answer the question: What do they contribute to our nation, or humanity in general?

Created: Sep 17, 2012

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/outlaw-offending-prophets-major-religions/94kL1tsN


I consider this petition unamerican and the people that signed it betrayers of the first amendment. I'm all for religious tolerance, but this type of infringement of speech and promotion of religion is inappropriate and the opposite of what our founders envisioned. It's embarrassing that a petition like this would get so many signatures.
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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. So you signed the other petition?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:39 PM
Dec 2012

The one that would outlaw unamerican expressions of restrictions on speech?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
6. But... Is proposing to amend the Constitution unAmerican?
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:51 PM
Dec 2012

Sure, a law to this effect would be unconstitutional as framed.

As a practical matter, we do accept certain types of restrictions such as making it illegal to print counterfeit $100 bills. Is that an infringement of freedom of the press?

I like $100 bills, because I think they look cool. I don't have many of them, but I do have a press. So let's say I engrave some plates and print up a bunch of $100 bills for the purpose of decorating my walls. I have no intention of attempting to spend them. Explain, by reference to the First Amendment why it should, or should not, be legal for me to print my decorative accurate reproductions of these fine wallet-sized masterpieces.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. Why would we need a petition for that? We already have the First Amendment.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:51 PM
Dec 2012

That does the job pretty nicely IMO.

sakabatou

(42,157 posts)
3. Sorry people who signed it
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:44 PM
Dec 2012

But the 1st Amendment says I can offend your prophets. In fact, I'll do it now.

*goes off to draw Muhhamed*

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
4. Define "offend" -- insulting the prophets, not agreeing with them,
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 10:45 PM
Dec 2012

or not believing in them?

And why ignore other religions -- it should be okay to offend THEIR prophets simply because they aren't as popular?

It sounds like they're confusing what's illegal with what isn't constitutional. In America, ALL religions are created equal.


rocktivity

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
9. People exercising 1st Am rights are betraying the 1st Amendment for doing so. Got it.
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:00 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe we should have them executed, then give them posthumous awards for bravery and courage.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
14. I hear where you're coming from, I really do
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 12:09 AM
Dec 2012

But the juxtaposition struck me as funny, just one of those things.

0zone

(60 posts)
10. If these so called prophets are offended...
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 11:15 PM
Dec 2012

...why don't they themselves respond in kind? Next they will try to pass a law against offending anyone who is dead and gone.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
15. So who would get to define who's a prophet, and what's a major religion...
Wed Dec 12, 2012, 01:59 AM
Dec 2012

In addition to the obvious free speech violations, do the signers of initiatives like this realise it would put the government in the position of defining what a a 'major' religion is and who is a 'prophet'?

Are all of them happy with L. Ron Hubbard, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, Jim Jones, David Koresh, the Reverend Moon et al to be on such a list.

I imagine that other than the knee-jerk cultural relativists, the signers of this petition only have one particular prophet in mind.

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