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The repubicans are in a current state of disarray. Boner has been hung out to dry. The Young Guns are no place right now, scrounging for ammo and getting no respect. The state level repubicans, meanwhile, keep trying to outdo each other pegging the needle on NUTZ.
Their Voices of Reason include, headache inducingly, the likes of Fathead Bush and Haley Barbour. Wow. Who'da thunk it? That pretentious little shit, Mark McKinnon and the No Labels crowd are trying to stick their noses back into the tent, hoping to be once again relevant.
How soon until we start to hear the invocation of names like John Vliet Lindsay, Nelson Rockefeller, Bill Weld, Lincoln Chaffee, Charles Percy or Mark Hatfield? Many others, Hell, even Barry Goldwater. Eisenhower and Dewey, and others of their ilk, were likely more liberal than even some of today's Democrats.
The repubicans will, soon enough, start backing gay marriage and backing off their War on Women. They will become champions of immigration reform. They will sound thoughtful and caring.
They have all the apparatus they need to say it long enough and loud enough to make it stick. Just like they have on every other issue they adopt.
In all of that, it is probably true that some of them will be genuine in adopting the rhetoric. I can imagine, for example, a Chris Shays meaning it when he says he favors same sex marriage.
The trick will be to sort out the bullshit.
Through all of this, it seems to me, the repubicans will make a strong showing winning back the moderates and even some of the center left.
My mother, long ago, counseled me to smile a lot, particularly when I least felt like doing so. Smiling, she believed, was not only a sign of an emotion, but also a curative. Soon enough, she often said, the smile will get the appropriate emotion to follow.
That actually works. I counsel my own kids with the same advice.
Similarly, when the repubicans start acting as if they care, some of them may, indeed, start to do so. Or at least be able to own it.
Can you imagine yourself falling into their thrall? Others around you, maybe?
We've made significant headway in some of our issues. I do believe sam sex marriage will soon be accepted at the federal level. I actually think the Supremes will support it.
It seems to me when the repubicans start to sound more rational, less hateful, they will gain followers.
And I worry about that. Because we *know* who they are and what they believe.
Those luminaries I mentioned earlier? A lot of people who think today as they did then are modern day Democrats.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,637 posts)Because I have memory...
And I will not forget the lies, the arrogance, the scum-sucking behaviors of these bastards.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)Democrat or Independent switching to that Party.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)That was the hallmark of "old time" repubicans. "Fiscally conservative/Socially liberal."
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)They're out of my support matrix then.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Everyone I know who calls themselves an independent votes republican. But maybe that's just me...
msongs
(67,420 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)If they do, I'm in. I'm not into labels either.
byeya
(2,842 posts)the Democrat and pass over that section of the ballot.
putitinD
(1,551 posts)leftstreet
(36,109 posts)I wouldn't care which party endorsed it
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)I think legal pot, immigration reform, and same sex marriage are pretty much sure things in the near future.
Single payer is possible, but only if they do that in some way as opposition to Democrats.
leftstreet
(36,109 posts)(Not that I think the GOPers would ever do it)
But your point is valid. Pot, immigration, gender equality...watch as the Republican Party starts to reinvent itself over the next 4 years and finally distance themselves from the religious right and Reagan TrickleDowners. They really have no other play.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)The only other choice is a moonbat crazy GOP that has the resources to win.
Example:
In Florida, we had a 3 way race with kendrick meek, Charlie crist, and Marco Rubio. Now, Rubio is unacceptable, but I voted for the democrat. I was yelled at here, to the point where even the mods got on my case when I mentioned that they were letting people back a third party candidate, which, back in the days of Nader, used to be against the rules. True enough, the vote was split, Rubio got in, and I kept having Florida Democrats say, see, we told you so."
Now, this si the same Charlie that is now a Democrat...The idea of liking this bastard is making my skin crawl; he only embraced Obama because his own party had low taxed themselves to the point where the state could go bankrupt; much of the damage he was having Obama fix was damage HE did!
To paraphrase Chris Rock, Crist is like an uncle that molested you when you were a kid, but he then donated a kidney to save your life. You can appreciate the heroic act, but there is a part of you that feels, dirty....and while I feel dirty voting for him, I know that we cannot have Rick Scott in office anymore, as he is a hard Tea party type that won by being more right wing than Jeb Bush. And I also know that if a real democrat steps up, chance of this party of Florida Democrats standing up for them are nil, especially our beloved chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schulz, is taking all the credit for winning Florida, so she can go right back to slitting throats of any genuinely lefty candidates.
If it is ac hoice between eating garbage and broken glass, I have to eat the garbage. Though I would rather be sinking my fangs into the necks of the insiders that create this mess.
That an honest enough answer?
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abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)You'll swear you're reading about the present day democrats. I used to wonder what my Dad seen in the republiCONs until I read this document. Now I understand why he was a republicon back then.
People like my Dad wouldn't have anything to do with the present day republicks, that I'd about bet on.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)That's what this thread was about, right?
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)against Joe LIEberman in 1988. It made it easier that it was Lowell Weicker who showed courage by supporting the impeachment of Nixon.
You won't see a republican like Weicker now. He would be a democrat these days.
I met Chris Shays a few times down at the Norwalk Oyster Fest and also at the train station in Norwalk when he was our representative in CT. Another casualty of the Gingrich era.
Rocky888
(297 posts)When Mitt started pretending to be Barack, I was so amazed at how many people started beleiving he actually had integrity and compassion. America has such short memories, especially those who do not educate thereselves on the issues that effect everyday people. So, it is up to us to try and remind them in 2014! To answers your question; I never have and never will vote for anyone that has an R by their name.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)but as long as I can think, I can't imagine ever being a republican.
GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)Not ever, ever, ever. EVER. I will never forgive, never forget.
Cheap_Trick
(3,918 posts)and heavy medication.