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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 07:31 AM Dec 2012

Screw Positive Thinking! Why Our Quest for Happiness Is Making Us Miserable

http://www.alternet.org/personal-health/screw-positive-thinking-why-our-quest-happiness-making-us-miserable



The man who claims that he is about to tell me the secret of human happiness is eighty-three years old, with an alarming orange tan that does nothing to enhance his credibility. It is just after eight o’clock on a December morning, in a darkened basketball stadium on the outskirts of San Antonio, and — according to the orange man — I am about to learn ‘the one thing that will change your life forever.” I’m skeptical, but not as much as I might normally be, because I am only one of more than fifteen thousand people at Get Motivated!, America’s “most popular business motivational seminar,” and the enthusiasm of my fellow audience members is starting to become infectious.

“So you wanna know?” asks the octogenarian, who is Dr. Robert H. Schuller, veteran self-help guru, author of more than thirty-five books on the power of positive thinking, and, in his other job, the founding pastor of the largest church in the United States constructed entirely out of glass. The crowd roars its assent. Easily embarrassed British people like me do not, generally speaking, roar our assent at motivational seminars in Texas basketball stadiums, but the atmosphere partially overpowers my reticence. I roar quietly.

“Here it is, then,” Dr. Schuller declares, stiffly pacing the stage, which is decorated with two enormous banners reading “MOTIVATE!” and “SUCCEED!,” seventeen American flags, and a large number of potted plants. “Here’s the thing that will change your life forever.” Then he barks a single syllable — “Cut!” — and leaves a dramatic pause before completing his sentence: ‘… the word ‘impossible’ out of your life! Cut it out! Cut it out forever!”

The audience combusts. I can’t help feeling underwhelmed, but then I probably shouldn’t have expected anything different from Get Motivated!, an event at which the sheer power of positivity counts for everything. “You are the master of your destiny!” Schuller goes on. “Think big, and dream bigger! Resurrect your abandoned hope! … Positive thinking works in every area of life!’
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Screw Positive Thinking! Why Our Quest for Happiness Is Making Us Miserable (Original Post) xchrom Dec 2012 OP
Errrrrrr... Same Old Tune Iggy Dec 2012 #1
At the risk of sounding like a fortune cookie... Ron Obvious Dec 2012 #2
I am sick of the cult of "positive" thinking Silent3 Dec 2012 #3
the problem, of course, is that it's not a one-size-fits-all question. unblock Dec 2012 #4
here is the secret to happiness srican69 Dec 2012 #5
Good post. Welcome, srican69! OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #7
I didn't read the entire article, but I tend to agree... OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #6
Three things: Orrex Dec 2012 #8
What a great quote from Edith Wharton BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #9
I think with this, as with too many other things ... LisaLynne Dec 2012 #10
I'm a fucking OPTIMIST and I hate this "positive thinking" stuff. Odin2005 Dec 2012 #11
I positively abhor those type of people Populist_Prole Dec 2012 #12
 

Iggy

(1,418 posts)
1. Errrrrrr... Same Old Tune
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:16 AM
Dec 2012

guys like Schuller and Deepak Chopra almost always associate happiness and freedom with uber wealth.

what a load of nonsense.

the biggest mistake one can make in the "quest" for happiness is looking to others, who obviously have an agenda, to define for you what your happiness is.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
2. At the risk of sounding like a fortune cookie...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 08:37 AM
Dec 2012

At the risk of sounding like a fortune cookie, I'd say happiness is the consequence of a life lived well, not a goal in and of itself.

That's why it's generally noticed only in retrospect: "You know, I think I was pretty happy back in those days..".

Silent3

(15,259 posts)
3. I am sick of the cult of "positive" thinking
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:00 AM
Dec 2012

While I think there can be some benefit to having a positive attitude, I hate it when people treat "positive thinking" as some kind of magical force that will grant you your wishes, and subsequently treat realistic cautions and concerns as something "negative".

And as long as I'm being grumpy and "negative" (time I'm sure would have been better spent visualizing my goals and sending positive vibes out into the universe) I hate how readily so many people lap up utterly banal and trite "inspirational" messages as if they were Great Wisdom.

I could likely grab a nearly random pretty picture, something with a bit of grandeur, slap words like "Dream Big" on the picture, post that picture on DU or nearly anywhere else, and quickly get lots of cheering and recommendations and enthusiasm. Those rare people who might come along to spoil the celebration of banality by pointing out how banal it actually is would likely be considered "part of the problem" that's holding all of humanity back from utopian joy because they won't "get with the program".

unblock

(52,309 posts)
4. the problem, of course, is that it's not a one-size-fits-all question.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:16 AM
Dec 2012

cutting out the word "impossible" and thinking positively leads to people trying things they might not otherwise have done.
if they then meet with success, it works well. if they meet with repeated failure, it works miserably.

so if you have the ingredients for success but are held back by fear, negativity, or lack of initiative, then sure, this sort of thing might well help you.

but if you're not in that situation, it might not work for you. many people just aren't very self-aware, and many people can't adapt in new situations. for such people, getting "motivated" and trying to, say, start their own business, might be a complete disaster.

and the list goes on.


mostly this is something that works for some people, passed off as something that works for everyone.
of course, it works especially well for the people who peddle it!

srican69

(1,426 posts)
5. here is the secret to happiness
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:26 AM
Dec 2012

1. Practice kindness and empathy...do a good deed...and gradually develop a cause larger than yourself..this could mean mentoring poor kids....or whatever..

2. Don't measure success in comparison to others...this is the ultimate poison...develop your own criteria and work towards it..

3. Exercise....no shit..physical activity is the best known stimulator of dopamine in the brain.. doesn't mean that you go and enroll I a gym...just put on your shoes and go for a jog...its free!!!

4. This might be hard....Develop a network of family and friend who are really there for each other...research shows that having good friends
Greatly increases happiness

5. Practice being engrossed in your work for its own sake.. Not for promotion or salary or bonus....purely for the joy of doing the task...( I'll concede ... this does not happen to me very often...but this a personal goal nevertheless)

6. Throw the self help books into the trash can.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
6. I didn't read the entire article, but I tend to agree...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:29 AM
Dec 2012

I think it's obvious that -- simply for our own sanity -- it helps to try to be optimistic rather than pessimistic all the time about everything. However, I've seen the whole "be positive" mantra and subsequently "you create your reality" trends take a decidedly negative turn. People end up feeling WORSE, like they are solely responsible for life's misfortunes, and it makes them more depressed and unable to have hope.

I can be hopeful and optimistic yet still be aware of the injustices all around, so long as I work toward having a positive impact and trying to move things forward in a more humane way. That's tough to maintain a balance between the two though, because sometimes reality is friggin brutal. But being hopeless is a self-fulfilling prophecy, imho. The uber-Pollyanna approach doesn't seem healthy either.

Thanks for the great stuff you post, xchrom.

K&R



Orrex

(63,220 posts)
8. Three things:
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:30 AM
Dec 2012

1. Brits will have little credibility in deriding American self-help gurus until those Brits abandon their centuries-long worship of Royals. Not saying that this particular author hearts The Royals, but easily embarrassed British people would do well to save their embarrassment for their fellow subjects.

2. Didn't "The Crystal Cathedral" go bankrupt? So much for self-help.

3. Robert H. Schuller has been full of beans for at least several decades.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
10. I think with this, as with too many other things ...
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 01:29 PM
Dec 2012

people take a good idea and go way too far with it. Yeah, focusing on the positive instead of the negative is probably pretty healthy for our mental states. Being thankful for what you have instead of counting the things you don't can really open your eyes and shift your perception. However, yeah, with the people mentioned in the article, they go way too far with it. Into Crazy Town. Into "blaming the victim" land. Oh, you have cancer? You just weren't positive enough! That sort of thing. Oh, those people are poor? They aren't manifesting things in their lives with the power of their thoughts. It's their fault. No sense helping them ...

So, that's where I think this movement is most problematic. That and that for a lot of them, it's SO focused on material things, as others in the thread have noted.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
11. I'm a fucking OPTIMIST and I hate this "positive thinking" stuff.
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 03:00 PM
Dec 2012

Being an optimist means making the most out of a situation, even it is shitty. This "positive thinking" nonsense just encourages people to delusionally ignore anything bad. IMO it is a source of a lot of stupidity in Business today, leading to idiotic management decisions that drive companies into the ground. It encourages groupthink because any criticism is dismissed as "negativity".

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
12. I positively abhor those type of people
Sun Dec 9, 2012, 04:41 PM
Dec 2012

They're insufferable windbags to be around because you can't have a discussion about damn near anything without them distorting it with stupid abstract bullshit. I love making them go down the ladder of abstraction they constantly go up by stating things in practical, physical terms- And If I hear one more glad handing, grinning stepford manager at work chide me about saying "problem" ( as in, we/I have a problem here... ) instead of "situation" I'm going to head butt him in the bridge of his nose as some uncontrollable reflex reaction.

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