I call Bullshit: New Picture of George Zimmerman released by Defense.

[trumad]

Compare it to the other picture taken in the jail.





http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-new-photo-bloody-20121203,0,5139117.story

[yellerpup]

1. He seems to have gained

quite a bit of weight between the murder and his booking. He's wearing the same clothing, too.

[trumad]

3. That wasn't his mugshot...

It was taken at the jail the night of the incident.

[yellerpup]

8. After he had his photo taken

with the bulging nose while sitting in the back seat of the police car? You are right to call BS. Obviously, a doctored photo because that bump on his nose would not have gone away.

[BlueJazz]

79. Yeah..Well, this one was released an hour ago >

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[yellerpup]

83. Yes, more as I imagine him.

[BlueJazz]

84. I was going to post a picture of a zombie hit by a train but thought it a bit too much.

[tibbir]

33. I used to have bloody noses as kid.

It didn't take much of a hit to cause them and when I had one, it REALLY bled. It wouldn't have bled down to the bottom of his lip and stopped as in the picture they created.

[yellerpup]

42. Now that you mention it...

it does look kind of painted on. Looks more like he dipped the tip of his nose in something. You don't normally bleed up over your nostrils, right?

[Warpy]

56. His shirt would have been bloodied

Bloody noses are piglike when they bleed even if it's just a popped capillary from aggressive mining for gold.

His clothing was spotless in that police video when he was taken into the garage right after the shooting. That told me two things: first of all, he was lying about a broken, bleeding nose and second, that he hadn't been in very close proximity to Martin when he fired his gun.

Getting hit is messy enough but killing anyone at close proximity is even messier. There is a lot of spray.

[Gin]

77. I thought that too...no TM blood on him?

[Warpy]

85. Not unless it was fine spray

and that would have been detectable by a lab even if it wasn't picked up on the cameras inside the cop shop.

There would at least have been fine spray.

[Drale]

2. The fact is

Zimmerman followed Travon Martin that night for no other reason than he was black and had a hoodie, and if Travon felt threatened then he would have the right to defend himself under the same law that Zimmerman is trying to use to justify murder. I don't believe that picture for one minute but still.

[rurallib]

6. Exactly!

Zimmerman started the whole thing. He deserved at the least a bloody nose.

[gollygee]

17. I agree 100%

But no way were those photos taken around the same time. His nose is too much more messed up in the one than the other.

[rbixby]

22. I think any injuries he sustained were well deserved

It seems like he probably started the confrontation, was getting his ass kicked by a kid who was suddenly being attacked by a stranger, and decided to shoot him.

[yardwork]

54. According to Stand Your Ground, Trayvon had the right to defend himself

up to and including lethal force.

[ecstatic]

68. +1000. Regardless of any injuries (real or fake),

the fact is, Z confronted Trayvon Martin with a loaded weapon, despite being warned not to.

[MotherPetrie]

4. That looks really fake. An injured nose like that will also cause black eyes/swollen cheeks.

[TroglodyteScholar]

30. I think the black eyes can take a few hours to really set in...

But by the time the second pic was taken, we should definitely be seeing some of that.

Or the paramedics who saw to Z's wounds that night had the miraculous skill to completely heal a broken nose (and all the swelling and bruising that comes with the injury) in a matter of hours.

Wtf are these jokers trying to pull here?

[Jersey Devil]

36. Recently had eye surgery - took 2 days for a shiner to develop

Went in on a Monday afternoon and the area under the eye (where they propped open the lids with surgical instruments) didn't blacken until Wednesday morning.

[MotherPetrie]

59. My hubby had Mohs surgery on his nose recently, requiring many stiches to his nose.

When we left the doctor's office, his left eyelid was already dark purple.

[slackmaster]

53. According to the article, the image was provided by the prosecution, who got it from the police

Are you suggesting that the prosecution doctored the image in a way that would not be helpful to their case, or that the police did so?

[MotherPetrie]

60. I'm not suggesting a fucking thing. Just saying that picture looks fake to me.

[slackmaster]

62. A faked image implies the existence of a faker and a motivation for the act of faking

Personally I haven't blindly trusted any image that I didn't personally produce since about 1984. Sure, it could be fake, but there would have to be a who and a why to go along with the what.

[graham4anything]

5. If I were Juror #8, I would find Zimmy guilty of first degree murder.

and if he had used a bowling ball in his hand, Mr. Martin would be alive today

It was 100% the gun and bullet that did it.

imho

Marcia, your nose.comes to mind.

[Enrique]

7. the idea that they would fake the picture is implausible

they would never get away with it.

Plus it doesn't help Zimmerman that much. People get their noses broken all the time and they don't kill people.

[corneliamcgillicutty]

46. It's Florida--weird stuff is the norm IMO."

[brush]

47. What else could it be?

This "new" photo and the booking photo allegedly claimed to have been taken on the same night is highly questionable. Did zimmerman's "broken" nose swelling suddenly go down in time for the booking photo? Who are they kidding? I'm thinking that the timing of this fake photo release has something to do with the recent killing of unarmed black teen Jordan Davis by another gun-toting white man, Michael Dunn. This new murder has got many more people up in arms about repealing Florida's stand-your-ground law and zimmerman is shaking in his boots because that will have a negative effect on his alleged innocence. Wonder how long it took them to gin up this photo? The noses in the two photos are of different shape and coloring. You can even see a line across the nose in the doctored photo where the redness of the broken nose (obviously photoshopped from another photo) does not match the upper part of his nose between the eyes. We might have been born at night, zimmy ol' boy, but not last night.

[Arkansas Granny]

9. If this is not photoshopped, either Zimmerman heals faster than anyone I've ever seen in my life, or

someone beat the shit out of him after the bottom picture was taken.

I can't believe that anyone would try to pass this off.

[Zoeisright]

10. That is so obviously photoshopped it isn't funny.

[bunnies]

11. His nose is scraped. BFD.

I guarantee you that if I was fighting for my life I'd have tried to do WAYYYY more damage than that. Fuck him.

[Hoyt]

12. No sympathy from me. He shot an unarmed teen because he could.

But, I bet they can't find a jury that will convict him --at least one juror will be too bigoted and callous to convict Zimmy.

[KansDem]

13. It does seem to stretch credibility a bit

It looks like a completely different nose!

[LiberalAndProud]

14. His eyes in proportion to his face between the two photos ...

One of these things is not like the other. Am I wrong?

The puppy dog eyes in the top photo don't sway me.

[Lilyeye]

15. I never doubted that Zimmerman was hit in the nose

because Trayvon was standing his ground and had every right to. If some strange man was following me I would be doing the same. I am not usually one to scream "photoshopped," but the first picture looks really fake. Something is so off about his nose. Then to see the second picture really proves it.

[madmom]

18. Look at the bridge of the nose. The first pic it's very

narrow, the second wider. His jaw line is also different between the two pics.

[TroglodyteScholar]

32. Looks to me like the difference in angle could explain the jaw thing.

But you're right about the width of the bridge of his nose. I don't see how the angle of the photo could account for that, nor for the fact that there is minimal swelling and no bruising in the second pic.

[OldDem2012]

16. Total bs. nt.

[Javaman]

19. In other news: Trayvon is still dead and his parents will never see him again. nt

[Jazzgirl]

20. That first picture looks PhotoShopped.

They never said he had a broken nose and that's what that picture looks like. Actually, it looks like a bad PhotoShop to me.

[libdem4life]

21. The mustache/facial hair in photo 1 is a day or so older than photo 2.

This has smelled like a rat from day one. The only thing I can reasonably assume that the cover-up is for is to prevent Trayvon's family from filing civil suit. Especially producing a doctored photo.

[warrior1]

23. Let's see the

gaping gut shot that Travon suffered.

[obamanut2012]

24. Doesn't make a difference if his head was smashed in

Trayvon was allowed to defend himself from an armed stalker.

[obamanut2012]

25. How did the flatten out, swollen nose disappear so fast?

In what -- like an hour or so? I have had a broken nose. BS.

[rivegauche]

26. SHOPPED. End of story. nt

[Starry Messenger]

27. As others said, Trayvon Martin is still dead.

That's what stalking someone with a gun can do to you, while they're minding their own business. But you get to be alive to lie lie lie all you want about what happened.

[Marr]

28. Ok, so apparently Trayvon Martin 'Stood his Ground' against an attacker.

And Mr. Martin was justified in using force. Oh-- that's not their point now?

[ZombieHorde]

29. Wow, the difference between the two pics is significant, in my opinion.

Is there anything that could make nose swelling go down so quickly?

[Rex]

31. WOW! Now I wonder why we didn't see all that in the footage

of him getting out of the squad car!?!?!

Did they ALREADY forget we have live video footage of him getting out of the police cruiser? They really must think we are stoopid like their kind.

[ToxMarz]

34. A note to anyone who has never murdered another person. .

They usually put up a fight.

[ksoze]

35. The picture is from the Prosecuters. They were stalling giving it to the defense.

I was not aware that DU attracted so many arm chair criminologists. Why would the prosecutors doctor a photo?

O'Mara told Reuters that prosecutors in May had given him a grainy black-and-white photocopy of the image which was taken in the back seat of a Sanford police cruiser. O'Mara said he received the digital image from prosecutors after repeated demands by his office and he posted it Monday on Zimmerman's defense website.

http://news.yahoo.com/bloody-photo-trayvon-martins-killer-released-200804168.html

[trumad]

37. We know BS when we see it.

Explain the difference between the first and second picture---taken only an hour apart.

[ksoze]

38. Ask the Prosecuters & Cops - it's their picture

I see no time stamps on the images, so have no idea how far apart they are. The "analysis" of bits of evidence in a murder case here is amusing - thank god there is a trial with a chain of evidence and experts instead of Law & order junkies.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. If That Photo Isn't Legit It Won't Withstand Scrutiny/nt

[ksoze]

40. You are missing the point - why doctor the image?

Why would the Prosecutors photoshop a picture that is more likely to the defenses benefit? This is evidently a picture that was released months ago in B/W and only now in color - released by the Prosecution in digital color after repeated attempts to get it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I Don't Even Have To Address That

Either the photo was altered or it wasn't.


The photo is a red herring. The question as I understand it is who started the fight. Even with the "stand your ground" law a person can't start a fight, proceed to get his ass beat, and then shoot the unarmed guy who is beating his ass.

I don't have high hopes for a fair trial for both the decedent and the defendant given how politicized this case has become.

[Lightbulb_on]

61. Do you think that Zimmerman struck Martin...

... or brandished his weapon in a menacing manner?

Any links?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

63. Zimmerman Stalked Martin And If Martin Was On Trial He Would Be Invoking "Stand Your Ground"

However, the decedent isn't on trial.

[Lightbulb_on]

64. Does SYG cover someone walking near or around you?

Is that your personal view or something being invoked by the prosecution?

IOW can I physically attack someone for being in my physical presence?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

67. The Police Dispatcher Asked Zimmy Not To Follow The Kid

Instead he stalked him. If I was a strapping, twenty eight year old man like Zimmy and got my ass beat by some kid I was stalking I wouldn't have shot him. I would have done the manly thing and shot myself.

lol

[Lightbulb_on]

69. I wish people would be more precise in their language

Stalking is a specific crime with a legal definition.

Do you know if the prosecution has invoked either stalking charges against Zimmerman or SYG for Martin?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. They Didn't Charge Zimmy With Stalking

They didn't charge Zimmy with stalking because that's implied in the capital murder charge. If Zimmy didn't ignore the dispatcher's request, whom one can reasonably believe is trained in such matters and didn't follow the kid, Trayvon would still be alive and Zimmy wouldn't be facing murder charges.

Trayon was minding his own business. occupying a space he had every right to be in, and some clown who is carrying is following him around. Trayvon didn't know if Zimmy wanted to rape him, mug him, or God knows what.


Don't worry... I grew up in the area... Even know some of the actors...Lived a couple of miles from the condominium where Zimmy dusted Trayvon. Zimmy's lawyer will probably hang the jury...An acquittal or guilty verdict, imho, is probably out of the question. But Zimmy's life will forever suck as it should be. At least he still has one.

[morningfog]

65. Link to the B&W version?

[Enrique]

51. they cleaned the blood off

and the swelling went down. there, it's explained.

[dpibel]

81. They've had the photo since last December

How does that constitute stalling?

http://news.msn.com/us/bloody-new-photo-of-trayvon-martins-killer-released-2

[Dawson Leery]

41. "Stand your ground" laws need to be repealed.

They are too broad.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/27/loud-music-leads-to-murder_n_2200708.html

[left on green only]

44. What am I missing here?

Can't the "defense team" be dis-bared for intentionally doctoring a photo and releasing it to the public for the purpose of swaying public opinion in a manner that would be beneficial to their client? What happened to the standard of upholding the "truth" that the legal system in our country supposedly cloaks itself in?

[ZombieHorde]

50. According to the link,

the photo comes from the prosecutors.

[RedCappedBandit]

45. Doctored or not, the picture changes nothing.

You can't expect to stalk and assault somebody without that person defending himself.

[VOX]

49. Exactly. n/t

[VOX]

48. Guess in Florida a nosebleed is a capital offense...

Especially if the "bleeder" is packing heat and playing out his Dirty Harry fantasies. Total bullshit.

[gkhouston]

52. The man in the first picture has the scrape/bloody spot near the bridge of his nose

level with the inside corner of his eye in the second picture, yet clearly below it in the first? If these were two undoctored photos of the same person after a nose injury, wouldn't the scrape look higher when the swelling was noticeable instead of after the swelling had gone?

[Iggy]

55. So Zimmerman Suffered a Broken Nose?

is that what the apparently 'shopped photo implies?

if yes, where's the hospital (emergency room) report, signed by the attending doctor?

[Taverner]

57. It's pretty easy to get a nosebleed

If that's the most they got - then they don't have much

[Initech]

58. It looks like he's wearing bronzor in the first photo.

[butterfly77]

66. First thing I said...

when it flashed across the tv and why now, BULLSHIT.

[HappyMe]

73. LOL!

A Faux News Re-enactment video!!1

[arcane1]

74. Hey, if we can't trust the perp to give a 100% accurate reenactment, who CAN we trust??

[HappyMe]

75. True!

Reminds me of the "actual, unretouched photos" in that rag 'Weekly World News'.

[HappyMe]

72. That IS NOT the same guy!

Look at the shape of the guy's face.

[uppityperson]

76. He got cleaned up, nose swelling went down. If his nose was broken, would still be swollen.

That is what these tell me. That his nose was impacted by something, caused temporary swelling that went down quickly.

[demwing]

78. Top photo mustache curls over the upper lip

bottom photo shows thick, cleanly shaven line above the lip - the sort that needs to be done with an electric trimmer.

Did Z have access to a trimmer in the jail?

[Frustratedlady]

80. For one, anyone with a wad of dried blood on the end of his nose

would have automatically wiped it off with a handkerchief or, in his case, with his jacket sleeve. Leaving it there would have driven him nuts.

All those wads of blood look like they were applied for the photo.

[dpibel]

82. Check the date. Story is from December.

This is the same photo that was shown to Ms. Lauer as on a cop took on his phone the night of the killing.

It's not newly released.