I have no doubt, that those who today oppose the statehood bid of the Palestineans...

[redgreenandblue]

...will be viewed by future generations the same way as we now view opponents of the civil rights act and of woman's suffrage, or the champions of the Confederate States of America: As fossils who chose to stand with institutionalized bigotry and ended up on the wrong side of history.

It is clear that the current far-right government of Israel will never agree to any peace-terms which do not enshrine a privileged status for Jews in all of what was formerly Palestine. I don't think they speak for all of Israel, but they are the ones currently in power and it is clear that this is their policy.

It is also clear (at the very least since the reception of Benjamin Nethanjahu by the US congress) that in doing so they have the full backing of the US government.

There is therefore no other solution than for the international community to work around these two countries, and work to establish legal frameworks upon which progress can be made through peaceful means, i.e. international courts to which all involved parties are beholden.

I should add that I really think president Obama tried to do the right thing, when he first endorsed a two-state solution based on the 1967 borders, but was smacked down hard by both Democrats and Republicans, and is now doing the only thing that is possible while "working within the system".

I take the liberty of posting outside of the IP group since I think the UN bid constitutes "really big news".

[2naSalit]

1. I agree with your points

I do hope that the prominent members of the UN do vote for Palestinian statehood. There's no valid reason they shouldn't have it, period. I am certain there is significant squirming going on in certain circles and I hope they are exposed as the double-standard creeps that they are, including the US.

I also hope that the "fiscal cliff" lie will be exposed as well as the only reason that anyone is attempting compromise, at this point, is to keep military spending at its all time high... which keeps the whole gambit of faux arguments about social safety net costs on the forefront and is only out there to provide a smokescreen to the real cause of our unbelievably high deficit, that being two unfunded wars to protect our hegemonic quest for foreign oil. That's what it's really all about. The sequestration is also set to drastically cut defense budget and that's the $60trillion elephant in the room that takes so many other issues to hide behind.

Let's go over the cliff so we can expose the vast amounts of $$ that goes to the offenders in the middle east and other egregious BS we engage in over seas. Palestine deserves recognition and we need to bring our troops home and engage in infrastructure revitalization with renewable resources which includes point source power generation, not vast solar and wind farms trashing the public lands that are critical habitat for species that keep the biosphere viable. It's all connected and if we stop trashing the planet by wasting our hard earned $$ on war and war machines, we can focus on fixing what's really wrong with our world.

So if Palestine is recognized by the UN, it would be a big step in a positive direction that seemed so evasive in the past decades.