"Assange: How notoriety has changed a trapped man"

[KoKo]

Assange: How notoriety has changed a trapped manBy Atika Shubert, CNN
updated 12:25 PM EDT, Mon October 29, 2012

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/world/europe/wikileaks-assange-color/index.html

London (CNN) -- The last time I sat down to interview Julian Assange more than a year ago, he walked out on me, angered by questions about the allegations of sexual assault in Sweden.

This time, holed up in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, he had nowhere to go when asked the same question.

Assange has taken refuge in the embassy for five months now, refusing to submit to questioning in Sweden over those allegations. He denies doing anything wrong, and says the allegations are a ruse to get him to Sweden, which would then, he claims, extradite him to the United States.

"Look ... there's an attempt to extradite me without charge, without evidence allegedly for questioning."

[SidDithers]

1. It's getting more and more difficult for St. Julian to keep his name in the news...

watch for increasingly outrageous statements from him, as he realizes what little fame he had is slipping away.

Sid

[KoKo]

3. Sid...as a Democrat on this Board...are you a Defender of Civil Rights? A Canadian might have

different views on this. Since you are a Canadian...I'd like to hear your views on this issue.

[loli phabay]

9. not sure what his civil rights are but he got due process through the british courts

So its not exactly third world military junta type suppression of rights. Not sure if you think US civil rights should apply to an australian in the ecudorian embassy in the UK being extradited to sweden.

[KoKo]

12. Are you doing the reply for SID...I couldn't understand your point..sorry...

[loli phabay]

14. okay im interested in what civil rights you are talking about that were infringed

Seems he had due process in the UK.

[KoKo]

6. I never saw where Assange "crowned himself" as "St. Julian" that seems to be YOU!

And what is your beef with him?

You only do :rofl" replies and never say why YOU as a Canadian have such an interest in trashing Julian Assange who NEVER did the Catholic Thing with the Saints?

You are really kind of interesting in that you stalk me...with nothing and never ever give any reasoning as to why you do this...

I think it must be the new "BOTS" that are being experimented with..

[SidDithers]

13. I stalk you?...

Holy fuck. It's bizarro day at DU.

Sid

[Cleita]

2. Did you forget a link for the whole article? n/t

[KoKo]

4. It got cut off in transfer..here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/26/world/europe/wikileaks-assange-color/index.html

[Cleita]

30. Thanks. n/t

[RomneyLies]

5. One guy who I would support being hit with a drone

for no other reason that to shut his whiny ass up.

[KoKo]

7. Are you saying you want Assange hit with a Drone? Are you serious?

[randome]

8. Maybe one of these, instead.

[KoKo]

10. Well..that's cute...but when have Soldiers Won War since WWII? Do you know History?

or are you a very young kid who just doesn't know about that stuff?

What is it with you and Assange?

[randome]

11. Assange is my kid sister.

I don't have anything 'with' him, as you'd know if you'd read some of the many threads about him.

I think he's a narcissist. He let Bradley Manning twist in the wind. He promised to 'unleash the bank documents' if world governments wouldn't leave him alone.

He has done Wikileaks a great disservice and it now lies in tatters.

[KoKo]

15. What? You are saying Julian Assange is your "kid sister?" WTF?

You have posted many thread about him as his "Kid Sister?"

This is really not comprehensible. Could you post further information to verify that you are not on meds or just having something that needs to be addressed further?

[randome]

20. All right, forget the 'kid sister' jibe. I lied.

I think he's a narcissist. He let Bradley Manning twist in the wind. He promised to 'unleash the bank documents' if world governments wouldn't leave him alone.

He has done Wikileaks a great disservice and it now lies in tatters.

[KoKo]

22. Then your point is that you think Assange left Bradley Manning out to Dry?

Twist in the Wind and you lied about the "Kid Sister" thing?

Why should I believe anything you post?

If you Support Bradley Manning and think Julian Assange left him out there to "twist in the wind" then SPEAK UP and FESS UP to where you are coming from instead of hiding behind lies about your "Kid sister."

Sheesh...Fess Up!

[randome]

46. Assange let Manning twist in the wind.

Manning gave national security documents to a foreign national.

Both of these bozos are responsible for the dissolution of Wikileaks.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

37. Assange is holding Bradley Manning in prison?

Assange can give him a pardon?

Who knew?

Or, perhaps, you could blame the guys who put a whistleblower in prison and are trying him.

Just a thought.

[randome]

47. A whistleblower does not hand national security documents over to a foreign national...

...without examining them. We can argue all day over whether the documents made any difference or needed to see the light of day but there is no definition of 'whistleblowing' that encapsulates handing documents over to a foreign national in the hopes of exposing wrongdoing.

Yes, he WAS aware that some contained what he considered wrongdoing but there are whistleblowing channels he could have turned to. And that doesn't excuse handing over all the other documents that he had no way of knowing what they contained.

[loli phabay]

16. huh not sure what you mean by when have soldiers won a war since ww2

[KoKo]

17. lol's...GOOGLE is your Friend...or BING...

[loli phabay]

19. seems to me that the armed forces of the UK won the falklands conflict

Not to mention the wins for the IDF. Still no idea what you are getting at.

I think google might help you on this one.

[SidDithers]

38. Yeah, Israeli soldiers pretty clearly won the Six Day War...nt

Sid

[loli phabay]

40. i am at a loss to what the poster considers a war if they dont know about these things.

[randome]

18. It's a reference to my signature line.

[KoKo]

23. What Wars have our US Soldiers Won since WWII, though. Any Evidence?

A "signature line" is fine...but, where is the proof?

[loli phabay]

24. you do know that other countries have fought and won wars other than the US

[KoKo]

29. Can you give a link to your postulations? It would be a good read for sure

to enlighten us here.

[loli phabay]

34. lol have you never heard of the falklands conflict or the numerous ME wars

Or do you not believe yhat the british task force retook the falklands and won the falklands war.

[KoKo]

35. Well...if you consider the "Falklands Invasion" as Winning a War...then I know that

you must be in grade school.

Really...have you heard of "My Space" or "FaceBook?" You need to go over there......

Seriously.

[loli phabay]

39. you do realise that the falklands war was a war they even used naval and air and troops

And it was between two countries so it was all officialnand everything. We had an invasion then a tasknforce travelling across the world then air battles and naval confrontations and thenna ground assault and even an official surrender. I think it pretty much qualifies as a war and the UK definetly classes it as such when it comes to benefits.

On edit i dont think the uknhas declared war since the forties and i still dont believe there is a peace treaty between the uk and argentina.

[KoKo]

41. I think you might be very young and not up on your history....

I hope you will do more reading to educate yourself.

Hey...I was young once, too..and in Grade School...I was still seeking. So, I hope you will do further reading like history books from your local library at your age and then when you've had some real book knowledge under your belt you can just use GOOGLE or BING or Search Engine of Choice to refresh your memory with article links.

But, I'd suggest starting at your local library for lists of books about WAR...and go way back ...in your experience...definitely.

[loli phabay]

42. lol sorry oh great one yeah right i think you are the one who needs a history lesson

Im still interested to hear if you dont think the falklands war wasnt a victory or the six day war. It seems to me that you arenmore into trying to hide behind just being ignorant rather than anything else. And as a vet i know a little about war from the front.

[KoKo]

43. Your innocent reply contradicts your "war service." Sorry...don't believe you.n/t

[loli phabay]

44. lol and your belief that the falklands wasnt a war negates your intelligence.

And especially not answering about the six day war just confirms it.

[RomneyLies]

21. If it would shut his whiny, narcisistic stupid ass up, why not? n/t

[KoKo]

25. Now it's interesting you are saying that Assange is a "whiny, narcisistic supid ass."

I'd like to know what information you base your opinion on. Like some thoughts from your brain...some background as to your thinking that you've reached this conclusion from your background, experience in life ...that you've come to this conclusion.

You realize you are on a Website that has many thoughtful people who are educated and have life experience and so you are not going to get away with (on here the DU) with some kind of Yahoo Message Board Comment without leaving yourself vulnerable.

Have you thought about this? What DO YOU THINK?

Waiting to hear your reasoning since this is a DISCUSSION BOARD...not a site for YAHOO BOYS/GALS.

[RomneyLies]

26. I say he's a whiny, narcisistic, stupid ass because

it is self evident from everything hhe says and does.

[KoKo]

27. You do understand that to stay here on "Democratic Underground" you must express

your views in a more "literate" way...don't you?

So far I've not seen a literate or even some kind of garbled dialog from you that any rational thinker could find a way to engage you in dialogue that would lead to a productive discussion.

Can you do better to explain your viewpoint?

[RomneyLies]

31. you do realize that the article in the OP paints the whiny, narcisistic stupid ass

as a whiny, narcissistic stupid ass, don't you?

He's a piece of shit idiolized by people who cannot think, IMO.

I'll be glad when Ecuador tires of his idiocy and allows him to be extradited and tried and convicted. Then we won't have to listen to his whiny, narcissistic stupid ass crap any more.

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. You mean like you dis-"engaged" re: the Falkland War? Like that?

[loli phabay]

28. well he is definitely whiny as all hell.

[RomneyLies]

32. He's also terrified of facing the cosequences for his illegal actions.

Like rape.

[Zorra]

48. "Assange is a narcissist" seems to be the latest propaganda meme among the "ranks".

They're so funny.

[hrmjustin]

33. Is this guy going to live the rest of his life in that building?

[Lucinda]

36. Thanks for the article KoKo!

[Egalitarian Thug]

49. I was just going to pass this one by, but the usual suspects simply forced me to K&R

the thread.

& R