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What Hamas did on October 7, 2023 was heinous, evil, and unforgivable. Unfortunately, the response by Netanyahu and the IDF is not justified. They have killed thousands and thousands of innocent people, women and children. One heinous act does not justify another heinous act. Two wrongs do not make a right. There have been terrible actions on both sides. Israel has the right to defend itself, but not to kill innocent civilians en masse. The Israelis that support this killing have lost the moral high ground. They are not justified. The IDF needed to find a way to target the Hamas perpetrators without the mass killing of thousands of innocent civilians. There are many Israelis and Jews that do not support this slaughter. Mass murder is never justified, on either side. So I condemn the October 7th killings, but also the mass killings of innocent Gazan civilians. Cease fire now, and the return of all hostages.
Coventina
(27,215 posts)What then?
Does Israel sit and wait for the next wave of hostage-takers?
JohnSJ
(92,454 posts)Oct7. They knew exactly what would happen, and they still did Oct 7th
Hamas knew Israel would respond with extreme measures, and this is entirely on Hamas.
If they didnt do Oct7th, those Palestinian deaths would not have occurred
It does not justify Israeli extreme measures, but it is all on Hamas
Ontheboundry
(91 posts)Had Hamas stayed in Gaza, and not done what they done, then there is no follow-up. I'm so tired of this narrative and I'm not even pro-israel but I grasp what FAFO means
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and you not only make your own case for eradication you leave no other sane option.
No, the IDF is not equipped with magic wands or may as well be magic science fiction equipment to sift tens of thousands of irregular operatives using their population as shields and propaganda snuff porn away from the population they embed themselves in that to a significant degree are happy with the arrangement.
Ceasefire is a lie, it just a demand for impunity for the terrorists and that they retain power and the ability to continue their attacks.
Unconditional surrender is appropriate if they want to end this.