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President Joe Bidens White House denounced Columbia Universitys pro-Palestinian protests as blatantly anti-Semitic and dangerous.
Over the last week, hundreds of pro-Palestinian protesters have gathered to demand an end to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. The student protesters set up what they called a Gaza Solidarity Encampment and included tents, signs, and more. The actions have led to hundreds of activists being arrested, including the daughter of Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN).
The White House on Sunday issued a statement condemning the protests after videos on social media captured demonstrators praising Hamas and denouncing the Israeli government.
While every American has the right to peaceful protest, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous they have absolutely no place on any college campus, or anywhere in the United States of America, said White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates.
https://www.mediaite.com/biden/white-house-thoroughly-denounces-columbia-university-protests-blatantly-antisemitic-unconscionable-and-dangerous/
jimfields33
(16,008 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,102 posts)LeftInTX
(25,595 posts)Large numbers are expected to participate in a march in the Colombian capital on Sunday to protest against controversial economic and social reforms being proposed by the government of Gustavo Petro.
CNN-News 18 is from India. I've noticed a "sloppy trend" in Indian media lately.
That is all
EX500rider
(10,874 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,102 posts)LeftInTX
(25,595 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(8,102 posts)malaise
(269,211 posts)Thirty three thousand dead Palestinians is enough reason to protest.
RandySF
(59,373 posts)Response to RandySF (Reply #4)
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malaise
(269,211 posts)A terrorist and the racist RW government of RSA had him in prison. Cheney and others supported the racists who were oppressing African people in their own land.
I will never side with the oppressors anywhere. I am a descendant of people dragged from the continent of Africa.
RandySF
(59,373 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,093 posts)That was Mandelas ex-wife though. Maybe shes the model freedom fighter for Hamas.
agingdem
(7,863 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 21, 2024, 07:48 PM - Edit history (2)
Hamas invades Israel, beheads babies, tortures and dismembers children, gang rapes women, sets fire to the elderly and disabled, turns a music festival into killing field, kidnaps and holds hostage Israeli citizens, and somehow Hamas/Gazans are the real victims...
prior to Israel retaliating, the UN/NATO demanded Israel show restraint, follow the so-called rules of war, provide humanitarian aid, and a safe corridor out of Gaza..I could be wrong but I don't remember the UN cautioning Ukraine to show restraint, follow the "rules" when Ukraine retaliated for the Russia attack...only Israel...
and when a bunch of college kids chanting "from the river to the sea" and know nothing of Israel's history, have a great old time waving flags, terrorizing Jewish students can justify their antisemitism with "we don't hate Israel, we hate Zionism" bullshit, Hamas has succeeded in marshaling global hatred for not just Israeli Jews but all Jews..
Now that's some PR "machine...
Celerity
(43,582 posts)On October 10, official Israeli accounts relayed a sordid but unfounded allegation. Six months later, it continues to circulate, fueling accusations of Israeli disinformation.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html
https://archive.ph/7qHAS
Following the Hamas attack on Israel on October 7, 2023, which claimed around 1,160 victims, images of the massacre flooded social media and news outlets around the world. But amidst this flood of accounts of murder, looting and mutilation, one rumor took on extraordinary proportions: 40 decapitated babies were allegedly found in the Kfar Aza kibbutz, one of the communities most impacted by the attack. This story, and its variants, went viral like never before, going as far as being mentioned by the White House. However, in the horror of this massacre, in which 38 minors including two infants were killed, there were never 40 decapitated babies. Not in Kfar Aza nor in any other kibbutz, the Israeli government press office confirmed to Le Monde. How did this false information come about? Can it be compared to the Kuwait incubator affair, a fabricated tale of kidnapped and massacred babies that was partly used to justify the first Gulf War? Le Monde's investigation sheds light on a rumor born organically, out of a mixture of emotion, confusion and macabre exaggeration. Israel has done nothing to fight it and has more often tried to instrumentalize it than deny it, fueling accusations of media manipulation.
Three days after the Hamas attack, the army invited dozens of foreign journalists and correspondents, including Le Monde, to Kfar Aza, where Hamas terrorists killed more than 60 civilians. Richard Hecht, Israel's top army spokesman and co-organizer of the visit, wanted to "show the international press that what happened here is unprecedented." The territory had only been recaptured by the army a few hours ago, and corpses were still everywhere: Israeli victims wrapped in body bags, Hamas fighters lying where they fell and a pervasive smell of death, testified a dozen journalists, rescue workers and soldiers interviewed by Le Monde. Itai Veruv, the general who led the counter-attack, drew many parallels with the death camps. He mentioned a provisional death toll of between 100 and 150. Funeral ceremonies were sometimes held in full view of the cameras. Some reporters confided to Le Monde a feeling of unease at the dramatization of the massacre site. Because of the risk of explosive booby traps, journalists could only enter a few houses. The only Israeli corpses they saw were in body bags, all adult-sized. On the ground, according to the journalists present, the general staff made no mention of dead babies. But reporters were free to question the soldiers and first-aid workers present, whose accounts were murkier and disturbing.
On the scene were rescue workers from ZAKA, an ultra-Orthodox non-governmental organization (NGO) responsible for recovering bodies in accordance with Jewish practices. They were also present in the morning at another kibbutz, Be'eri, where photographer Tomer Peretz described "body parts all over, babies, kids," and took a widely-shared photo of a bloodied cradle, which fueled confusion among some journalists, who used it to talk about Kfar Aza. In ravaged homes, ZAKA volunteers discovered bodies rendered unrecognizable by projectiles, explosions and fire. Lacking medical training, some misunderstood the identity or age of the victims. A first-aid provider referred to a family of five shot dead but mistook the mother for a grandmother and the two teenagers for children. Others claimed to the press that a pregnant woman was disemboweled and her fetus stabbed, which was never the case, as confirmed to Le Monde by Nachman Dyksztejn, ZAKA's French-speaking volunteer. In a report on the sexual violence committed on October 7, the United Nations Organization underlined the "challenge" represented by "inaccurate and unreliable forensic interpretations by some non-professionals." These approximations were not always deliberate. "The rescue workers saw so many dead bodies, corpses of women and children, body parts, maybe they said things they imagined," Nachman Dyksztejn explained today. But in the moment, the NGO's spokespeople went into macabre overdrive. Speaking to various media, Yossi Landau, its founder, claimed to have seen with his own eyes children and babies who had been decapitated. The Israeli daily Haaretz later revealed that the organization, in precarious financial health, had tried to take advantage of the tragedy to garner donations.
Journalists also interviewed military personnel on site, often reserve soldiers, whose reliability is questionable. One of them mentioned children hanging from a clothesline, an unfounded rumor that circulates among the civilian survivors of Kfar Aza, worried about the fate of a 4-year-old girl, Avigail Idan. She had in fact been taken hostage by Hamas and was freed since. The Israeli Defense Forces, whose staff itself has not always shown caution or restraint in the 40 babies case, reminded later that a reserve soldier "should not describe events whose details are unclear and unofficial." Some accounts were inconsistent. According to Mael Benoliel, special correspondent for the French-language edition of the Israeli international TV channel i24News, the figure of 40 dead children in Kfar Aza came from Michael Levy, a French-speaking reservist doctor, who categorically denies this. Interviewed by Le Monde, Levy did, however, certify having seen a baby or very young child beheaded in Kfar Aza. This allegation was absent from his on-camera testimony and contradicts the official death count to date, according to which the youngest victim at the kibbutz, Yiftach Kutz, was 14 years old. Fabrication? Confusion? False memory? Some soldiers had "glassy eyes" after three days of fighting, recalled Mael Benoliel. Several witnesses interviewed by Le Monde gave accounts incompatible with the consolidated death count. "Vividness of a memory does not necessarily confirm its authenticity," pointed out Richard McNally, Harvard professor of psychology and a specialist in the memory of traumatic events. "Sometimes errors can occur in the 'fog of war' especially in exhausting, confusing and terrifying circumstances."
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Sympthsical
(9,128 posts)That's the trick though, isn't it?
BannonsLiver
(16,499 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 22, 2024, 12:09 AM - Edit history (2)
Just like Hamas, as youve said before. So to recap, here is the oppressor scorecard based on previous posts.
Oppressors: US, Canada and UK AKA the evil west as previously said. And also Israel, of course.
Not oppressors: Russia, Iran, China, India, North Korea, Hamas.
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)And the standards you use to define oppression appear to be rather nebulous, inconsistent and cryptic.
I was beaten up for just being Jewish even before you chanted for ANC. Believe me, it hurt more. And it wasn't my choice.
I will never mistake an antisemite for a freedom fighter.
BannonsLiver
(16,499 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)And antisemites have no problem masquerading as either or both, not particularly caring for either or both, as long as they get a chance to hate on the Jews.
Four thousand frozen embryos is enough reason to cry apartheid and genocide.
And I don't see any humanitarians among the antisemites protesting the terrorists who put the thirty thousand Palestinians in the line of fire. Do you?
BannonsLiver
(16,499 posts)That is all.
DontBelieveEastisEas
(517 posts)It could be that if you knew all of the details, you would see that they should be allowed to take Illinois for themselves; maybe not.
But, even if it was the right thing to happen, an uninformed person could be pro group but not pro take over Illinois.
You might love the group, but be against the taking of a location.
Imagine, its easy if you try, and will make things perfectly clear.
That is all.
BannonsLiver
(16,499 posts)elias7
(4,029 posts)Maybe our definitions differ, but then again, youre not Jewish
DiceK
(35 posts)Support of Hamas is support of anti semitism.
October 7 is about to be every day': Columbia rally sees Hamas support
A woman in a Keffiyeh shouted at a pro-Israel activist, "We are Hamas," outside Columbia on Wednesday. "We're all Hamas," she said at the counter-protesters that had rallied outside the university.
"Remember the 7th of October!" shouted a man with a red keffiyeh over his face in a video published by Columbia Sundial editor-in-chief Jonas Du on social media on Friday. "That will happen not one more time, not five more times, not 10 more times, not 100 more times, not 1000 more times, but 10,000 times!"
"Never forget the 7th of October," said another masked man wearing a Palestinian flag, standing outside the campus gates on Thursday night. "Are you ready? 7th of October is about to be every day. Every day. 7th of October is going to be every day for you."
RandySF
(59,373 posts)If so, by who?
Dorian Gray
(13,503 posts)but there is plenty of anti-semitism happening at Columbia, and it's gross. The student protestors should denounce and disavow hatred and harassment against their fellow classmates.
emulatorloo
(44,193 posts)Rabbi to Jewish Columbia students amid rallies: Campus not safe, go home
Jewish students at Columbia University are advised to leave campus due to escalating anti-Israel protests, fearing for their safety amid growing unrest.
By MICHAEL STARR
APRIL 21, 2024 21:44
Updated: APRIL 21, 2024 22:58
Orthodox Union Jewish Learning Initiative on Campus director rabbi Elie Buechler told students that the protests that had unfolded since Wednesday "have made it clear that Columbia Universitys Public Safety and the NYPD cannot guarantee Jewish students safety in the face of extreme antisemitism and anarchy."
Pained to tell the students to return home
"It deeply pains me to say that I would strongly recommend you return home as soon as possible and remain home until the reality in and around campus has dramatically improved," Buechler told Jewish students in leaked text messages. "It is not our job as Jews to ensure our own safety on campus. No one should have to endure this level of hatred, let alone at school."
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Protecting Jewish students
"During times of crisis, Columbia/Barnard Hillel is always here for Jewish students. This is a time of genuine discomfort and even fear for many of us on campus. Let me be clear the Kraft Center for Jewish Student Life is and will remain open," Columbia/Barnard Hillel director Brian Cohen said in a statement.
"Columbia University and the City of New York must do more to protect students. We call on the University Administration to act immediately to restore calm to campus. The City must ensure that students can walk up and down Broadway and Amsterdam without fear of harassment."
The Columbia Chabad said on Instagram on Sunday that they couldn't stay silent about what they were seeing on campus and that it had been a "rough two semesters, but this week has been off the charts."
"The protests on campus and outside of campus have been ongoing for over 48 hours straight," Chabad Columbia co-director Naomi Drizin said in a statement. "Many students feel scared and isolated. They have been kept up at night and are struggling to keep up with their schoolwork. The atmosphere is debilitating."
rgbecker
(4,834 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)B.See
(1,305 posts)from the seats of their own governments.
my two cents.
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)...the Whitehouse did not denounce the protests themselves as 'Antisemitic, Unconscionable, and Dangerous', they denounced specific actions made by a very small percentage of the protesters.
In fact, the the OP quotes the Whitehouse as saying:
"While every American has the right to peaceful protest, calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous they have absolutely no place on any college campus, or anywhere in the United States of America, said White House deputy press secretary Andrew Bates.
spooky3
(34,484 posts)malaise
(269,211 posts)Rec
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)The White House did indeed denounce protests at Columbia as antisemitic, unconscionable and dangerous.
As the excerpt you quoted states, "...every American has the right to peaceful protest". The protests at Columbia were not peaceful. They were full of "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous".
And as such, they were denounced by the White House.
Cha
(297,774 posts)How could anyone get a" small percentage" out of that?
TY for Clarifying the Reality.
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)The words..."The protests at Columbia were not peaceful. They were full of" are the words of a DU poster.
Let's try to get back to the "reality".
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)...your own context into the Whitehouse's quote.
Yes, we have seen calls for violence and acts of intimidation within the protests which should be, and were, rightfully denounced, but the protests themselves were not "full of" those, and the Whitehouse did not denounce the protests themsleves.
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)of violence and intimidation perpetrated by the protesters, which were referred to in the White House statement, as well as the statement of the Columbia University President ( https://president.columbia.edu/news/statement-columbia-university-president-minouche-shafik-4-18 ):
All of the violence and intimidation acknowledged and rejected by both the White House and the University President. None of it injected by me out of context into anyone's statements.
So where is the evidence that any calls for violence and intimidation were met with the slightest of disagreements, never mind denunciations, by most of the the protesters? A few protesters? Two protesters? Are you by any chance injecting your own context into the White House statement?
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)...that "while" they support the right of Americans to peacefully protest, they denounce the specific acts of "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community".
Your attempt to rephrase the Whitehouse statement so that it appears the Whitehouse is condemning the protests, despite any further information you may feel you have, is not in good faith.
Your personal opinion on these events IS appreciated, but please do not misrepresent the opinions of the Whitehouse.
I agree with the Whitehouse's condemnation of any violence and intimidation, I do not agree with your attempt to create a false narrative around very real and important events.
Also, it should be made clear that the University President's statement was in reference to the encampment, not the campus-wide protests which were apparently conducted in most part by non-students.
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)The protests, as I mentioned previously, weren't peaceful. Regardless of the intent you implausibly ascribe to the vast majority of the protesters, you have yet to cite a single instance of any protester who attempted to call for peace as calls for violence and intimidation persisted, or a single source other than yourself that called the protests "peaceful". These calls of harassment and intimidation were either tolerated or cheered by ALL of the protesters as they were repeatedly shouted out, and that makes ALL protesters complicit in the "specific acts" of antisemitism, as you call them, that were on display at the protests. Even if one accepts your ridiculous proposition that these were rare and isolated incidents, standing by and doing jack shit in the face of harassment and intimidation doesn't make the protests peaceful.
I am rephrasing nothing.
The "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community" which "are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous" that the WH statement is referring to occurred repeatedly in the course of the protests. Nothing exempts the protests, in which the "specific acts" of antisemitic harassment and intimidation were tolerated to such undeniably impactful degree that they keep making international news, from being included in the White House criticism by any means imaginable. They have indeed "absolutely no place on any college campus, or anywhere in the United States of America
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)..I was saying that you should not manipulate the Whitehouse's statements to fit your own narrative.
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)you are being a bit disingenuous here.
Like I said, I rephrased nothing of the WH statement. You have yet to offer anything other than a baseless accusation to demonstrate that I did.
If you choose to obfuscate the content and purpose of the statement, don't blame my personal points of view on the choices you make for yourself.
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)..by adding your own words within the quotaion marks of the Whitehouse quote.
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)This one?
Reply to Think. Again. (Reply #21)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:51 PM
The White House did indeed denounce protests at Columbia as antisemitic, unconscionable and dangerous.
As the excerpt you quoted states, "...every American has the right to peaceful protest". The protests at Columbia were not peaceful. They were full of "calls for violence and physical intimidation targeting Jewish students and the Jewish community are blatantly Antisemitic, unconscionable, and dangerous".
And as such, they were denounced by the White House.
For comparison, here is the statement you are accusing me of rephrasing by adding my words within the quotation marks:
Which words of my own did I insert, exactly? None?
And this is your excuse for wasting so much of my time?
Think. Again.
(8,507 posts)" The protests at Columbia were not peaceful. They were full of"
Beastly Boy
(9,500 posts)These words are clearly not "within the quotation marks of the Whitehouse quote". These are obviously my comments reflecting the facts of the matter, just like all the rest of the post outside of the quotation marks. And rather than addressing them as facts of the matter, you prefer to falsely describe them as me inserting something into the WH statement, which is... how should I put it without violating the DU terms of use... a bold-faced misunderstanding of the conventions universally accepted in using quotation marks.
madville
(7,412 posts)Or at least suspended a semester. Time for a zero tolerance approach to their antisemitism.
LexVegas
(6,108 posts)malaise
(269,211 posts)That is all
LexVegas
(6,108 posts)MichMan
(11,992 posts)Takket
(21,640 posts)sarisataka
(18,804 posts)Because of anything Israel does is antisemitic.
Does anyone disagree with that? If yes, why are such attacks justified? If no, why do we see people justifying it?
keithbvadu2
(36,949 posts)Trump's republicans who also agree with Hamas about killing more Jews.
Mountainguy
(549 posts)and deport anyone on a student visa.
gulliver
(13,197 posts)If they can't stop these cretins from disrupting the University, then they aren't in charge. They've failed and should be terminated for cause. Get someone in those admin jobs who does their job.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)Torchlight
(3,368 posts)are getting coopted by organizations who have a motive to see greater and greater useless and irrational division in the US.
The guy who says, 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is often the same guy who fails to see that same enemy is looking to play both sides against each other, thus playing directly into his hands.
Prairie Gates
(1,068 posts)Do you denounce?
Yes!
How much do you denounce?
I thoroughly denounce!