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PCIntern

(25,592 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:41 AM Apr 21

I have a suggestion for Judge Merchan:

Nothing he doesn’t already know about, of course.

He should have the hearing concerning the gag order and the harassment and disrespect towards the jurors. He should require Orangina to sit in a side room with a TV monitor and closed circuit communications with his lawyers. Then and there he can do all the wild gesticulating, cursing, muttering, and explosive sharting he wants.

I have spoken!

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I have a suggestion for Judge Merchan: (Original Post) PCIntern Apr 21 OP
One problem with that is that he isn't in custody FBaggins Apr 21 #1
His presence in the courthouse is required PCIntern Apr 21 #3
Not only is he not in custody, he's not under arrest and out on bail. Barry Markson Apr 21 #7
Especially on the biggest case of the COL Mustard Apr 21 #20
He's not? Are you sure? Iggo Apr 21 #35
Trump released on bond [$200,000] after arrest and mug shot in Georgia riversedge Apr 21 #40
That's Georgia. I'm talking about New York. Iggo Apr 21 #47
He surrendered and was arraigned on April 4, 2023 tinrobot Apr 21 #43
I disagree on that concept... FarPoint Apr 21 #53
He is another news clip FarPoint Apr 21 #54
There are holding cells in the basement of the Courthouse. speak easy Apr 21 #10
As an alternative, put a one-way glass (so nobody can see his gestures) between him and the courtroom Wonder Why Apr 21 #2
Complete with an OSHA approved Confined Space warning sign... Hugin Apr 21 #6
i honestly think he HAS TO order a psyche eval. mopinko Apr 21 #4
Nope brooklynite Apr 21 #13
Doubt defense would want TSF mental state challenged. LiberalFighter Apr 21 #44
So you want him ruled incompetent to stand trial? How does that help things. onenote Apr 21 #23
It sure won't help TSF campaign for president. LiberalFighter Apr 21 #45
It almost certainly won't happen either. onenote Apr 21 #48
I am thinking at this point the Judge just thinks Trump is a spoiled, selfish brat. IMHO riversedge Apr 21 #41
I agree but I think the Judge should give one more, very clear, warning to Raven Apr 21 #5
Escalating fines and then revoked bail JT45242 Apr 21 #8
It will do absolutely nothing. drray23 Apr 21 #12
My guess is they have to escalate or the SCOTUS six will stay the trial JT45242 Apr 21 #17
The maximum penalty for violating the gag order is $1000 per violation, 30 days in jail, or both onenote Apr 21 #25
Any chance of getting "dunked in a septic tank" added to that? Hermit-The-Prog Apr 21 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Apr 21 #9
Why? brooklynite Apr 21 #11
He should sit there for the entire trial. Joinfortmill Apr 21 #14
Sorry to disagree... MiHale Apr 21 #15
👆👆👆👆 birdographer Apr 21 #29
Wish there was some way to capture and transmit the odor wnylib Apr 21 #46
I agree greymattermom Apr 21 #33
Yeah, I have to agree with this. OldBaldy1701E Apr 21 #34
My question is, I'm sure HE cannot see the jurors, BUT bluestarone Apr 21 #16
Jury instructions are delivered by the judge RainCaster Apr 21 #18
Nothing you have posted is accurate. former9thward Apr 21 #24
Not a good idea if it will be a split screen. Baitball Blogger Apr 21 #19
I think it would be better if it were a daily warning in front of the jury. First time he does it, off to the side room keopeli Apr 21 #21
I thought folks want him treated like other defendants. onenote Apr 21 #49
Oh, I'm just imagining scenarios. I'm no lawyer. Just having a bit of fun. I don't want anyone to take me seriously. keopeli Apr 22 #55
I want the jury to see his petulant behavior and reprimand/punishment each day, and see him in the room sitting/sleeping keopeli Apr 21 #22
He should have to sit there and suffer Bobstandard Apr 21 #26
I'd rather see him get the Bobby Seale treatment Martin Eden Apr 21 #27
So now Democrats on a progressive site are expressing admiration for Julius Hoffman's behavior. onenote Apr 21 #50
Wow. Just wow. Apparently I forgot something. Martin Eden Apr 21 #52
I was thinking the same thing. In BittyJenkins Apr 21 #28
With his actions Old Crank Apr 21 #30
Uhmmm kozar Apr 21 #31
Sorry. I'm not a Quaker, PCIntern Apr 21 #36
Make sure that the side room is small... pagarr1957 Apr 21 #32
Whatever he does, it needs to go beyond fining him. D23MIURG23 Apr 21 #37
The purpose of the sanctions EndlessWire Apr 21 #38
Agreed...but it's not simply farting PCIntern Apr 21 #39
We're nowhere near Darrell Brooks territory yet. onenote Apr 21 #51

FBaggins

(26,760 posts)
1. One problem with that is that he isn't in custody
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:52 AM
Apr 21

If he can attend the hearing remotely for a side room… he can attend remotely from another state.

PCIntern

(25,592 posts)
3. His presence in the courthouse is required
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:56 AM
Apr 21

The judge can stipulate which room. Orangina is a criminal defendant and the judge is well…the judge.

Barry Markson

(229 posts)
7. Not only is he not in custody, he's not under arrest and out on bail.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:26 AM
Apr 21

Locking an innocent until proven defendant in a holding cell will only add to whatever appeals the lawyers make in case of a conviction as prejudicial.
And no judge wants to be overturned.

Iggo

(47,571 posts)
35. He's not? Are you sure?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:09 PM
Apr 21

What I mean is, he turned himself in in New York for something. I thought it was this.

riversedge

(70,311 posts)
40. Trump released on bond [$200,000] after arrest and mug shot in Georgia
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:41 PM
Apr 21

I do not know if this answers your comment.


Trump released on bond [$200,000] after arrest and mug shot in Georgia

https://f24.my/9jpi.X via @FRANCE24


Iggo

(47,571 posts)
47. That's Georgia. I'm talking about New York.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:28 PM
Apr 21

He was ordered to turn himself in, at which time he was booked, charged with crimes, and released pending trial. There must have been terms for his release, just like every other criminal defendant. Bail is one way. OR (Own Recognizance) is another, and that one basically amounts to zero dollar bail. That’s what I was getting at. He’s still on some kind of leash. He’s not a 100% free man right now.

tinrobot

(10,916 posts)
43. He surrendered and was arraigned on April 4, 2023
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:15 PM
Apr 21

Just because there were no handcuffs or mug shot means nothing. By surrendering, he's voluntarily placed himself under control of the New York court until the trial is over. No arrest needed.

So far, the court has been very lenient, but that can change.

FarPoint

(12,447 posts)
53. I disagree on that concept...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:16 PM
Apr 21

He is out on bail....He can be locked up for contempt, violation of gag order etc...Judge is in charge...

He was indicted over a year ago or so...


&ab_channel=PBSNewsHour

Wonder Why

(3,263 posts)
2. As an alternative, put a one-way glass (so nobody can see his gestures) between him and the courtroom
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:53 AM
Apr 21

multi-pane to prevent the noise from the room being heard.

Of course, in either case, he place where he'd be would have signs on the door for security personnel:

WARNING: Wear full chemical suit including breathing apparatus before entering this room.

Hugin

(33,208 posts)
6. Complete with an OSHA approved Confined Space warning sign...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:17 AM
Apr 21

Allowing for entry only with a permit and as you said, a properly fitted MOPP Level IV hazmat suit with a rebreather or air bottle.

mopinko

(70,239 posts)
4. i honestly think he HAS TO order a psyche eval.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:59 AM
Apr 21

he knows full well tsf is batching crazy. ANY other defendant who acted this way wd get 1 in the name of justice and due process. u cannot try a person not in their right mind.
he is not in his right mind. just because we’re used to it doesnt change that.

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
13. Nope
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:58 AM
Apr 21

A defendant is assumed to be responsible for his/her behavior absent the attorneys claiming mental state as a defense.

LiberalFighter

(51,104 posts)
44. Doubt defense would want TSF mental state challenged.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:15 PM
Apr 21

That would add that as another negative running to be president.

Raven

(13,900 posts)
5. I agree but I think the Judge should give one more, very clear, warning to
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:06 AM
Apr 21

TSF and tell him that he will be placed in a holding cell like every other defendant who breaks the rules. I'll bet that the Judge is working with court personnel this weekend to secure closed circuit TV and a phone line for this purpose. No need to make elaborate arrangements for this crook, every court that I know of has at least one holding cell near the courtroom.

JT45242

(2,298 posts)
8. Escalating fines and then revoked bail
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:29 AM
Apr 21

This round is $1000 per tweet, retweet, statement etc.

Next round $5k per

Third round $10 k per

Fourth round is revoke bail and go to jail during trial.

I could even see going to $25k per before revoke.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
12. It will do absolutely nothing.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:57 AM
Apr 21

Trump does not care about fines, especially small ones. He has his idiot donors paying for it.

JT45242

(2,298 posts)
17. My guess is they have to escalate or the SCOTUS six will stay the trial
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:20 AM
Apr 21

While he appeals revocation.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
25. The maximum penalty for violating the gag order is $1000 per violation, 30 days in jail, or both
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:51 AM
Apr 21

So the monetary penalty cannot escalate the way you propose.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

brooklynite

(94,745 posts)
11. Why?
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 09:56 AM
Apr 21

The Hearing won't be televised and it won't be in front of the Jury. The only person who will care about how he behaves is the Judge, who can act immediately.

MiHale

(9,782 posts)
15. Sorry to disagree...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
Apr 21

He and his antics should be in full view of the jury and the public. The repubs have been protecting him for too long…why should the court do it now? Let the world see exactly what he’s about, how he handles stress, how he acts when facing bad news. If it’s shown he can’t handle himself to defend his own actions how is he qualified for the presidency?
We have the option of not watching or reading about it the jury doesn’t they should see and hear the full trump.

birdographer

(1,342 posts)
29. 👆👆👆👆
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:22 AM
Apr 21

This. Keep him in full view (and odor). Harder to post on his phone that way, as well.

wnylib

(21,620 posts)
46. Wish there was some way to capture and transmit the odor
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 08:24 PM
Apr 21

the way that sound and video can be transmitted.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,162 posts)
34. Yeah, I have to agree with this.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:43 AM
Apr 21

Let the orange gibbon be the one to devolve the trial into chaos. Maybe then we might take the threat he and his backers represent with a little more seriousness. It seems like there has been a drop in the vitriol that his presence in this country represents and it does none of us any good to allow that to happen. I sincerely hope that he finally does push the judge to put his ass in a holding cell. Then, as suggested above, they can control his ass by sticking him in a room where he can run around hooting all he wants. It is this level of precaution that is what is needed. Hell, this is where the dialogue about his presence in the courtroom should start!

RainCaster

(10,923 posts)
18. Jury instructions are delivered by the judge
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:43 AM
Apr 21

He is free to comment on the defendants lack of respect for the jury if he chooses. Then the jury is welcome to consider that in their deliberations. Since they will already be considering how TSF ignores all laws as being for "the little people" they will have the chance to pile on because of that.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
24. Nothing you have posted is accurate.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:49 AM
Apr 21

No, the judge can't make comments about the defendant's conduct towards the jury. He would be overturned on appeal. The jury can't consider that in deliberations. The conviction would be thrown out. Your law school should give your money back.

keopeli

(3,525 posts)
21. I think it would be better if it were a daily warning in front of the jury. First time he does it, off to the side room
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:47 AM
Apr 21

without his lawyer or phone - just two sheriffs and a teevee. No talking. Monitored on video showing in the courtroom. He returns at the end of the day to dismiss the jury and stand for them. Then, the next day, reset.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
49. I thought folks want him treated like other defendants.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:44 PM
Apr 21

Can you point to a recent precedent involving someone on trial for a non-violent crime being kept away from his lawyer? From what i've been able to observe, Judge Merchan is a pretty smart judge and not likely to make that kind of mistake.

keopeli

(3,525 posts)
55. Oh, I'm just imagining scenarios. I'm no lawyer. Just having a bit of fun. I don't want anyone to take me seriously.
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 04:02 AM
Apr 22

Sorry if I caused any confusion.

keopeli

(3,525 posts)
22. I want the jury to see his petulant behavior and reprimand/punishment each day, and see him in the room sitting/sleeping
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:49 AM
Apr 21

Bobstandard

(1,328 posts)
26. He should have to sit there and suffer
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:06 AM
Apr 21

He should have to sit there and suffer from the cold, the humiliation, and the powerlessness. His lack of dignity, self control and stamina will be on full display. I hope the judge gives him the “ sit down and shut up” treatment repeatedly. If he has to punish Trump, have him do a couple hours in a holding cell while the court takes a break. That would be delicious.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
50. So now Democrats on a progressive site are expressing admiration for Julius Hoffman's behavior.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:48 PM
Apr 21

Wow. Just wow.

kozar

(2,135 posts)
31. Uhmmm
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:26 AM
Apr 21

As much as I hate the former guy, let's slow down.
PC you, are a Dr.. We are Dems, a MAGA,lit himself on fire.

I adopted a cat.

PC, your job is on the line, when you make posts, like this.
Please slow down.
Hate,only, kills.

Koz

PCIntern

(25,592 posts)
36. Sorry. I'm not a Quaker,
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:48 PM
Apr 21

although I went to Quaker school.

I’m like Barbara Bush: I’m a skilled Hater.

pagarr1957

(13 posts)
32. Make sure that the side room is small...
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:28 AM
Apr 21

...so it will fill up with his farts and hopefully gas him to death.

D23MIURG23

(2,850 posts)
37. Whatever he does, it needs to go beyond fining him.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:37 PM
Apr 21

A $3000 fine is not going to affect Trump's behavior.

Your suggestion is probably the best option for actually keeping the Jury insulated from his bullshit. Jailing him might also be worth a shot.

EndlessWire

(6,570 posts)
38. The purpose of the sanctions
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:09 PM
Apr 21

in this instance is to keep him from outing the jury and exposing them to potential injury. Who cares what he does in front of the judge. The judge will remove him at the point the trial stops because of him.

Do you remember the case where the man mowed down multiple victims with his car during a parade? He was a "Sovereign Citizen" and was acting as his own attorney. The judge was a lady who handled his many outbursts with banishment to a room where he could hear the proceedings, but she could cut off his mike when necessary. Sounds like the reporter room in this instance.

I think that Trump can't go to lock up without a full hearing, but he could be removed to the reporter room. Or whatever that room is called. Or whatever room there is available like that.

I think we're looking at fines and a threat of action. Also, if Trump continues to fart, maybe the judge can order him to see a doctor on Wednesday. Just a thought. It isn't fair to the jury to have to suffer through frequent farting.

What a world.

PCIntern

(25,592 posts)
39. Agreed...but it's not simply farting
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:27 PM
Apr 21

We know that he is fecally incontinent. The crew from The Apprentice spoke of it in grotesque detail, defying their NDA’s.

This in my opinion is a major reason why he’s so upset that he cannot leave when he wishes. He’s in trouble down there.

onenote

(42,769 posts)
51. We're nowhere near Darrell Brooks territory yet.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 10:58 PM
Apr 21

Judge Merchan is a careful judge. The Darrell Brooks precedent you cite -- he was the guy that drove through a holiday parade in Waukesha, WI, involved a defendant who was representing himself, would loudly speak over the judge and prosecutors and even refused to admit to his name. Trump hasn't done anything like that...yet.

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