Biden is giving Israel an additional $1B in weapons???

[DemocratInPa]

Honestly, this may not sit well with Gen Z, who we really need in November..

I really wish we had a middle ground and hope Biden and the DCC had a plan to get the ones back who are upset, and I believe there are ALOT of them.

[claudette]

1. Big

mistake to help Israel destroy Gaza and West Bank

[Joinfortmill]

2. I hear you, but I trust Joe...

Hope he attached some strings.

[DemocratInPa]

5. What strings can he attach?

He told Israel not to hit Iran and they didn't listen, he told them to work for peace in Gaza and they aren't listening..

I am shocked he is giving them that much after everything.

[jrthin]

3. This is not a good look.

[MOMFUDSKI]

79. I have to believe Joe knows his number one

priority is to keep the country safe. Israel is our only ally in the region. He is following the playbook. But it is biting him in the ass. There is a risk he loses the election over this. Hoping it can get ironed out before November. Bibi is dividing the US and making Putin happy. Hell of a mess!

[MorbidButterflyTat]

6. NO.

[sarisataka]

8. Should we withhold our votes

Until the Democratic party can give us a candidate who isn't subservient?

[Basic LA]

10. It's beyond mere parties.

It's Uncle Sam.

[Scrivener7]

11. You're the only one suggesting it here.

[sarisataka]

13. I am just seeing a lot of criticism

And negativity towards President Biden. Implications, if not outright accusations of being an Israeli puppet.
Much of it echoes those who are going to withhold their votes from him. So I was following the logical path to see if it is the same conclusion.

It was a question, not suggestion.

[Scrivener7]

15. And yet, no one put it into the conversation but you.

[sarisataka]

20. My focus was most on the unjustified, IMO,

Of President Biden. That there are those willing to let Trump win because of that criticism is my concern.

Your focus seems different. I apologize for any offense my analogy caused.

[Cha]

36. You're not the only one.. I agree with you.

Mahalo for brining it to Light

It's obvious to me. .

[Scrivener7]

47. So, because you don't want the focus to be on the idea of not voting for Biden over this, you

introduce the idea of not voting for Biden over this when no one else is even suggesting it.

Okie dokey.

[sarisataka]

48. I did not introduce it, it has been in the news

My position is quite simple. This November I will vote for Biden regardless of his support for Israel. Not everyone is willing to do that.

Also I do not believe there is a Jewish conspiracy controlling the United States, the government and the President.

[onenote]

49. Didn't the OP introduce the idea that some would not vote for Biden over this?

It's right there in the OP's post.

[edisdead]

75. Right?

[BannonsLiver]

17. Lol hope your day gets better.

Totally not an antisemitic trope or anything.

[Basic LA]

19. Ah, the sacrosanct cloak of antisemitism

It covers everything!

[BannonsLiver]

22. Clearly not sacrosanct to everyone.

[Basic LA]

25. Can't help but notice you have no argument.

Just a hoary slander to stifle dissent. Let's look again at 13,000 dead children in Gaza, and those maimed for life, and those being purposely starved to death. Kids. Babies. Antisemites?

[BannonsLiver]

26. Can't help but notice you have put out antisemetic tropes on this platform.

While using those in Gaza as human shields when confronted over it.

[Basic LA]

28. Anti-semitism accusations

And now the human-shields cliché. Tired tropes indeed.

Ceasefire now.

[BannonsLiver]

29. Shalom.

[sarisataka]

32. My faith in DU is renewed nt

[revmclaren]

57. Guess they posted one antisemitic trope too many.

Little by little they are weeding themselves out.

[Cha]

69. ..

[Oopsie Daisy]

73. Excellent.

[Cha]

35. Talk to GD Fucking Hamas about a "ceasefire"..

they're the ones who REJECT!!!

[edisdead]

76. Ceasefire now

Ceasefire then, ceasefire tomorrow it will end the same…. Another attack on Israel.

I don’t like the Israeli response but one side kicked the hornets nest while a ceasefire was in place. All in order to divide the left in the west to usher in authoritarianism.

[EX500rider]

37. Can you break down how many of those 13,000 are actual children?

And not 16, 17 & 18yo Hamas members shot while firing rockets & RPG's & AK-47's?

I am guessing not since hamas intentionally lists their younger dead troops as "children" for the propaganda boost.

[ProfessorGAC]

50. I Think You'll Be Waiting...

...a long time for a cogent answer to a fair question.

[tritsofme]

21. They don't even give the pretense of pretending anymore

[BannonsLiver]

23. Not even a little bit.

[sarisataka]

27. Nothing new

[ismnotwasm]

18. Holy shit. No.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

7. Do you have a source for this?

I thought this was up to CONGRESS; the US president is not a dictator.

[Cosmocat]

9. Hillary's emails, Dean's scream, Kerry swift boating

Its tiresome.

He didn't fucking start it.

He is not responsible for it.

There are countless layers to this situation.

We killed COUNTLESS Iraquis during that boondoggle, but because Joe has been put into an absolute no win situation where he has to maintain our long standing strategic alliance with Israel with Iraq and Hamas poking the lunatic Bibi who is going to do what he will do regardless of what we do, BIDEN IS IN TROUBLE.

And, Putin/Trump and Magas are cheering this bullshit on.

Joe has handled Ukraine brilliantly, but for the upteenth time the left goes soft on a D potus over shit not even in their control.

[Earth-shine]

12. I'm pretty sure this funding goes to US military contractors.

Gotta follow the money.

[Kaleva]

14. Do you mean the House is giving Israel an extra billion?

[maxsolomon]

16. Additional to the Congressional bill that Congress is voting on shortly?

Or do you mean the appropriation in that bill?

What are you talking about?

[iemanja]

24. Reading the responses to this thread

is like living in an alternate universe. People will say anything to avoid deny reality.
Suddenly, for the first time in US history, the US president has nothing to do with legislation and is entirely removed from US foreign policy. It truly is remarkable.

[emulatorloo]

30. Please provide a link to a reputable source so we can know what you're talking about. Thanks!

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[ZoMe]

34. ISW

Since OP hasn't responded, I'd like to recommend the daily Iran Update from Institute for the Study of War. It's been helpful for cutting through the b.s. and for understanding what's actually happening. Today, 4/19, isn't posted yet but should be soon (yesterday is available + archive, though).
https://www.understandingwar.org/

[lapucelle]

60. This website?

Welcome to DU!

[DemocratInPa]

39. WSJ

[Jose Garcia]

33. No, he is not.

[W_HAMILTON]

38. What is the DCC?

[DemocratInPa]

40. DNC

Glad you never made a typo

[W_HAMILTON]

42. Your concern -- and typo -- is duly noted.

[DemocratInPa]

41. here

https://www.wsj.com/world/biden-weighs-more-than-1-billion-in-new-arms-for-israel-8b8607e4.

[W_HAMILTON]

43. Your link contradicts your OP.

Go edit the misinformation from your OP and update it with the information from your link.

Thanks.

[DemocratInPa]

44. I am good thanks

[W_HAMILTON]

45. Oh, I bet you are, which is what I suspected in the first place.

[JohnSJ]

55. English is fundamental. Considering and doing are not the same thing, unless

someone is trying to intentionally misrepresent.

[emulatorloo]

46. So you're good w spreading disinformation?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

54. Just keep walking

They’ll go back under their bridge.

[emulatorloo]

67. ...

[Cha]

71. No you're not.

[lapucelle]

59. This?

[Silent Type]

51. Before Oct 7th, Gaza's GDP was less than $20 B annually. How about a few billion for

meaningful reconstruction and some Long-term stability instead of bombs. Probably naive .

[lapucelle]

61. There's $9,000,000,000 in humanitarian aid for Gaza in the package that passed today.

Does $9 billion qualify as "a few billion"?

https://apnews.com/article/ukraine-aid-israel-gaza-taiwan-c0645ad3f47f9d919c8988a98593e887

[Silent Type]

62. About $2B might get to Gaza. Seems a bit low, but better than nothing.

“This included $17 billion in defense aid to Israel, and some $9 billion providing humanitarian relief to people in Gaza as well as other war-torn regions (the final decision on allocation was up to the White House, with analysts expecting roughly $2 billion would go to Gaza).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/house-approves-26-billion-in-aid-for-israel-and-gaza-under-major-spending-package/#:~:text=This%20included%20%2417%20billion%20in,billion%20would%20go%20to%20Gaza).

[lapucelle]

65. So you concede that there are at least "a few billion for Gaza".

Good to know.

[Silent Type]

66. More for bombs.

[lapucelle]

68. So there are at least a few billion for humanitarian aid to Gaza.

The $13 billion in aid to Israel includes $5.2 billion for the Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Iron Beam defense systems, so that's not going to bombs.

$13 billion minus $5.2 billion equals $7.8 billion. $9.15 billion is going to humanitarian aid.

Sorry but there's more money going to humanitarian aid than to bombs.

https://democrats-appropriations.house.gov/sites/democrats.appropriations.house.gov/files/Israel.pdf

[Silent Type]

70. Not to Gaza. Again, better than nothing.

[lapucelle]

72. You were wrong when you implied that there is nothing in the aid package for Gaza.

And you were wrong about there being more money for bombs than for humanitarian aid.

Moreover, The Times of Israel doesn't source the claim that $2 billion will be allocated to Gaza.

I trust President Biden''s judgement on allocating the funds.

[Ace Rothstein]

63. Naive that the money will be spent on reconstructing civilian infrastructure.

[Silent Type]

64. Yeah, you are right, send more bombs.

[lapucelle]

74. I don't think it's naive to trust President Biden's judgement on the allocation of the funds.

Besides, the legislation explicitly states that the humanitarian funds cannot be dispersed to or through UNRWA, so that's one less middleman to worry about.

[HUAJIAO]

52. NO !!!

[WarGamer]

53. It's a "twofer" for Gen Z...

A billion dollars in bullets and bombs to Israel and a TikTok ban.

[JohnSJ]

56. Except the OP is not accurate

[JohnSJ]

58. 11-26 age group? How many in that group will even vote? They have never

been a reliable voting block. We will win by those who believe saving our Democracy, a woman’s right to choose, workers rights, civil rights, the environment, etc etc etc, are paramount. Single issue voters will not determine This election.

[AkFemDem]

78. EVERY election cycle we pin our hopes and dreams on the youth vote

And every time, they laze out and don't show up.

I can guarantee even BEFORE this crisis, the TikTok obsessed, Taylor Swift chasing, pot-vaping, throw on a bakala and burn a bunch of shit because it's cool and call it a protest crowd was not going to wake up early, get out of their onesies, put their $50 Stanley cups down to go vote for one octogenarian or another.

[pwb]

77. Unless the Republicans have reversed on climate change and women's freedoms

the young will be with Joe. The young have long lives to live on this burning earth. Pukes offer them nothing but the same or worse. IMO.