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demmiblue

(36,903 posts)
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:14 AM Apr 18

Fox News host Jesse Watters on Tuesday broadcast extensive biographical details about Juror No. 2 -- her neighborhood,

Fox News host Jesse Watters on Tuesday broadcast extensive biographical details about Juror No. 2 -- her neighborhood, occupation, education, marital and family status, and what industry her fiance works in.

He concluded by saying, "I'm not so sure about Juror No. 2."

He claimed last night that "undercover liberal activists" are trying to get on the jury -- comments Trump promoted.

That juror has now asked to be excused, saying people had asked her if she was a juror.






Scum.
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Fox News host Jesse Watters on Tuesday broadcast extensive biographical details about Juror No. 2 -- her neighborhood, (Original Post) demmiblue Apr 18 OP
There are probably hundreds of oncology nurses in New York. But, when someone is gone for the mucifer Apr 18 #1
I'm not sure of the relevance of their professions anyway. Hugin Apr 18 #4
For challenges... JT45242 Apr 18 #30
I understand that within the context of the case itself... Hugin Apr 18 #35
The Supreme Court has decided this question: onenote Apr 18 #52
They shouldn't be giving out ANY information about the jurors Karma13612 Apr 18 #12
Just wait til during the trial. The Grand Illuminist Apr 18 #63
His sponsors should be getting lots of calls for this unethical conduct Deuxcents Apr 18 #2
Sounds like a good idea. Baitball Blogger Apr 18 #5
Boycotts of Fox Sponsors aren't particularly effective. maxsolomon Apr 18 #17
he should be charged with a crime. barbtries Apr 18 #3
Agree MacKasey Apr 18 #8
Agreed. lindysalsagal Apr 18 #26
The guard rails on the 1st amendment have been crashed into a lot over the last 24 years. jaxexpat Apr 18 #28
Yes, it has been. barbtries Apr 18 #29
Jury tampering? Oh, yeah, this was meant to intimidate a potentially hostile juror Warpy Apr 18 #38
Deeper than jury tampering Zilli Apr 19 #68
I know, he's scum. H's kept on as a line to the TFG cult Warpy Apr 19 #69
Probably won't convince you, but it would be hard to prove his broadcast was jury tampering under NY law onenote Apr 18 #53
i was afraid of something like that. barbtries Apr 18 #65
Death to the traitor lol!!!!!!! He is horrible Trueblue1968 Apr 18 #60
The court should have foreseen... Think. Again. Apr 18 #6
Really. What was he thinking? Scrivener7 Apr 18 #27
Exactly. This has to stop. shrike3 Apr 18 #51
The information that was reported was public record information onenote Apr 18 #56
Yes, if the juror provides info only to... Think. Again. Apr 18 #61
effin dirtbag eShirl Apr 18 #7
this juror has been dismissed. mopinko Apr 18 #9
I doubt the court is releasing juror names. Probably Trump or his "team" are getting names during Liberal In Texas Apr 18 #10
See post #53. onenote Apr 18 #57
Waters is an asshole LetMyPeopleVote Apr 18 #11
Yes. area51 Apr 18 #18
What a smug little shit. I just want to punch him. -nt CrispyQ Apr 18 #34
Yes lonely bird Apr 18 #50
Silly me, I read the text quickly and misread "incarcerating Watters" as incinerating...tee hee. Be bad if something Comfortably_Numb Apr 18 #37
God, that smug look on his face. LisaM Apr 18 #49
I agree with jailing Watters ificandream Apr 18 #62
Easy to understand why 50% of jury pool walk out given the chance. rgbecker Apr 18 #13
After Jesse Watters ran this segment and Trump posted it, edhopper Apr 18 #14
Trump should be sanctioned for violating the gag order. onenote Apr 18 #40
Isn't edhopper Apr 18 #42
Yes, as I said, Trump should be subject to sanctions for violating the gag order. onenote Apr 18 #46
I missed that edhopper Apr 18 #58
They're going to try to get these people killed. Initech Apr 18 #15
I have a pretty strong and imaginative vocabulary when I put my mind to it, grumpyduck Apr 18 #16
Scum and villainy IA8IT Apr 18 #19
Jesse Watters is NAZI Shit Kid Berwyn Apr 18 #20
Anyone know where Jesse lives? It would be a shame if somebody released it. flying_wahini Apr 18 #21
Normally I would disagree with doing this. yardwork Apr 18 #55
What block does Jesse Watters live on? PCIntern Apr 18 #22
They know that all they have to do is find kompromat on one juror Jarqui Apr 18 #23
How is this not jury tampering? Hermit-The-Prog Apr 18 #24
May he, and his enablers, receive everything they deserve. niyad Apr 18 #25
Jail Watters for broadcasting it and jail Trump for posting it. mn9driver Apr 18 #31
Watters isn't going to be jailed. onenote Apr 18 #39
Jesse Watters will get someone murdered, but it won't be his fault, his crime, or a burden to his conscience lostnfound Apr 18 #66
I've seen this "Runaway Jury" conspiracy theory on Twitter today underpants Apr 18 #32
"That's a very nice jury you've got there, shame if something happened to it." 0rganism Apr 18 #33
Hmmm... Mike Nelson Apr 18 #36
If the court and jury needs full sequestering, we can predict that Fox will say a "secret trial!" convicted TFS. nt TeamProg Apr 18 #41
Wow. There should be consequences for that. Joinfortmill Apr 18 #43
Someone like the Lincoln Project Mr.Bill Apr 18 #44
Totally agree Seinan Sensei Apr 19 #67
Do away Cherokee100 Apr 18 #45
And a new conspiracy theory gets its start and takes root in the MAGAt "mind." Martin68 Apr 18 #47
Jesse "Punchable Face" Watters is one large piece of dung. NoMoreRepugs Apr 18 #48
TFG has infinite peremptory challenges now. His allies just need to follow RockRaven Apr 18 #54
Waters is a traitor ..... Do what we do to Faux new host now !!! Trueblue1968 Apr 18 #59
That loud squiishy sound you hear is a reporter? jounranlist? sniveller? paying homage kissing the ring? hind parts? Ping Tung Apr 18 #64
Kick dalton99a Apr 19 #70
I know everyone is up in arms over this, but he said nothing you could not read in NYTimes or Washingtion Post. krawhitham Apr 19 #71

mucifer

(23,576 posts)
1. There are probably hundreds of oncology nurses in New York. But, when someone is gone for the
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:16 AM
Apr 18

EXACT days of the trial their families, friends and coworkers will figure it out by the end of the trial.

The media should not be giving hints as to what professions the jurors have.

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
4. I'm not sure of the relevance of their professions anyway.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:22 AM
Apr 18

Gender is even pushing it.

As long as they’re not in conflict with the… Wait, I just remembered Clarence Thomas and that Cannon lady. Never mind.

JT45242

(2,304 posts)
30. For challenges...
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:10 PM
Apr 18

TFG side would not want someone in accounting or auditing on the jury because their claims as to this just being normal SOP would be called BS by an accountant.

Of course, if they burn all their challenges then some people with expertise in the field can make it on.

When I was working on creating a forensic science course for our HS, my grad school instructor informed me that this would almost guarentee that I would never serve on a jury because the side compromised by the forensic science would not want me on the jury. I know chemists who were ousted in voir dire for liability suits.

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
35. I understand that within the context of the case itself...
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:21 PM
Apr 18

And the court. Although, I don’t like the gaming which goes on.

What I am addressing is why does anyone outside of the court have any business knowing anything about the individual jurors?

onenote

(42,779 posts)
52. The Supreme Court has decided this question:
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:19 PM
Apr 18

In 1984 the Supreme Court held, unanimously, that there is a presumption under the First Amendment that court proceedings, including the voir dire, be open public proceedings. As Justice Marshall explained in his concurring opinion, "the constitutional rights of the public and press to access to all aspects of criminal trials are not diminished in cases in which "deeply personal matters" are likely to be elicited in voir dire proceedings." Moreover, according to Justice Marshall, while the presumption of openness can be overcome, "prior to issuing a closure order, a trial court should be obliged to show that the order in question constitutes the least restrictive means available for protecting compelling state interests. In those cases where a closure order is imposed, the constitutionally preferable method for reconciling the First Amendment interests of the public and the press with the legitimate privacy interests of jurors and the interests of defendants in fair trials is to redact transcripts in such a way as to preserve the anonymity of jurors while disclosing the substance of their responses.... Only in the most extraordinary circumstances can the substance of a juror's response to questioning at voir dire be permanently excluded from the salutary scrutiny of the public and the press."

Karma13612

(4,555 posts)
12. They shouldn't be giving out ANY information about the jurors
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:45 AM
Apr 18

And the two sides of the trial shouldn’t know either.

This is too high profile.

And it’s too late now, but if I was called to jury duty, I wouldn’t tell anyone beyond my spouse.
And hope they can keep a secret. Then, if I was paneled, I would ask my spouse to tell everyone I was called away to a sick friend somewhere far away.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,339 posts)
63. Just wait til during the trial.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 03:21 PM
Apr 18

All the coverage from RW media will be spun into OJ Simpson proportions. Making trials harder, and more importantly, much longer to finish.

Deuxcents

(16,353 posts)
2. His sponsors should be getting lots of calls for this unethical conduct
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:19 AM
Apr 18

Anyone know who they are? I don’t watch his show but if we had a list, we could protect this

Baitball Blogger

(46,768 posts)
5. Sounds like a good idea.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:27 AM
Apr 18

What he did was wrong. Give him a taste of his own medicine. Negative public exposure.

barbtries

(28,812 posts)
3. he should be charged with a crime.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:19 AM
Apr 18

that's jury tampering for sure. convince me i'm wrong about this.

it's an absolute abuse of the First Amendment at the very least.

jaxexpat

(6,860 posts)
28. The guard rails on the 1st amendment have been crashed into a lot over the last 24 years.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:06 PM
Apr 18

Fox regularly pushes that envelope so that the concept of broadcast free speech is pretty hazy in most minds. That is fertile tillage for MAGAism. Such confusion, intentionally spread, is an abuse of the rights granted by the constitution to the extent that, should the pendulum swing toward justice some day, Jesse, along with his mentors, minions and co conspirators may be defending themselves against a charge of treason.

These for-profit political smut peddlers have a lot to account for in a world where promoting the general welfare is seriously considered a top priority. Removal from the public airwaves should be their minimum concern. Hard time would be appropriate for foreign propagandists of any stripe.

barbtries

(28,812 posts)
29. Yes, it has been.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:08 PM
Apr 18

it has been twisted into oblivion. We are supposed to having a civilization FFS.

same with the 2nd amendment. it was never intended to mean any old person could have guns that kill multiple people at one time.


i hate republicans

Warpy

(111,374 posts)
38. Jury tampering? Oh, yeah, this was meant to intimidate a potentially hostile juror
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:37 PM
Apr 18

I'm sure that person is feeling pretty vulnerable right now. And no, there aren't that many oncology nurses in any specific neighborhood, even in NYC. This type of shit makes me furious, I can't stand bullies.

This is more serious bullying since they put this person's life in danger when some TFG zombie manages to connect the dots and identify him/her.

Waters should be dragged into court, charged, and jailed without bond for the duration of the trial. The judge needs to come down on this like a ton of law books to make sure nobody else gets cute.

Zilli

(190 posts)
68. Deeper than jury tampering
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 10:52 AM
Apr 19

Jesse is a stochastic terrorist and was steadfastly setting this woman up for assassination or the destruction of her life and her families life. Of course, we live in amerikkka and Jesse will be able to broadcast coded calls for torment/assassination on a daily basis.

Warpy

(111,374 posts)
69. I know, he's scum. H's kept on as a line to the TFG cult
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:22 AM
Apr 19

He needs to be fired, at the very least. He's going to become a legal liability sooner rather than later.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
53. Probably won't convince you, but it would be hard to prove his broadcast was jury tampering under NY law
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:27 PM
Apr 18

Under New York law, "A person is guilty of tampering with a juror in the first degree when, with intent to influence the outcome of an action or proceeding, he communicates with a juror in such action or proceeding, except as authorized by law."

The hurdles that a prosecutor would face in going after Watters is that they'd have to show that the juror saw the broadcast -- i.e., that Watters communicated with the juror with the intent to influence the outcome of the trial.

barbtries

(28,812 posts)
65. i was afraid of something like that.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 03:28 PM
Apr 18

but clearly he did manage to get the message to her.

I think it would be good if the judge or the DOJ or the prosecutor's office did something in response. these fucking magats will stop at nothing

Think. Again.

(8,526 posts)
6. The court should have foreseen...
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:27 AM
Apr 18

...this would be a problem and banned the media to only public record into on the jurors.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
56. The information that was reported was public record information
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:32 PM
Apr 18

Several media outlets were reporting the information about the jurors as it was disclosed in court and the threshold under the constitution for limiting press and public access to that information. Given the case law relevant to such situations, the judge did the right thing by responding quickly to limit the inclusion of certain information about jurors in the public record.

However, if you're suggesting that jurors shouldn't have to provide, albeit only for the lawyers and judge, information about their employment history, I would disagree. If a prospective juror worked for Newsmax or for for the RNC, I think we'd all want the prosecution to have access to that information so they could challenge that juror being selected.

Think. Again.

(8,526 posts)
61. Yes, if the juror provides info only to...
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 03:09 PM
Apr 18

...the lawyers and judge, and a perspective juror worked for newsmax, the prosecution WOULD have that info to challenge that juror.

But I don't any reason to put an ANONYMOUS juror's life at risk just so the PUBLIC can know where they work or whether they have a distinct accent or any other identifiable information about them.

Liberal In Texas

(13,590 posts)
10. I doubt the court is releasing juror names. Probably Trump or his "team" are getting names during
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 11:41 AM
Apr 18

voir dire and calling Fox Newschannel and saying they suspect this juror or that juror might be a liberal or maybe just fair-minded. Fox is dutifully painting targets on these jurors to get them to quit or if they don't go suggest one of the magats go after them or their families.

This is jury tampering, pure and simple.

Comfortably_Numb

(3,838 posts)
37. Silly me, I read the text quickly and misread "incarcerating Watters" as incinerating...tee hee. Be bad if something
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:30 PM
Apr 18

like that happened to a douche-nozzle like Watters. What an asshole.

rgbecker

(4,834 posts)
13. Easy to understand why 50% of jury pool walk out given the chance.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 12:05 PM
Apr 18

Not to mention the pay cut, for most, to $40 a day.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
40. Trump should be sanctioned for violating the gag order.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:42 PM
Apr 18

But Watters isn't subject to a gag order and neither Watters nor Trump committed jury tampering as defined under New York law.

edhopper

(33,639 posts)
42. Isn't
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:47 PM
Apr 18

retweeting it a violation?

If not, he can get his friends in the RW Media to say whatever he wants and then retweet it.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
46. Yes, as I said, Trump should be subject to sanctions for violating the gag order.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:00 PM
Apr 18

Was that not clear from my post?

grumpyduck

(6,270 posts)
16. I have a pretty strong and imaginative vocabulary when I put my mind to it,
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 12:32 PM
Apr 18

but I don't have anything strong enough to do justice to this... individual.

But I so wish someone would take a cheese grater to that smug arrogant face.

PCIntern

(25,601 posts)
22. What block does Jesse Watters live on?
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 12:55 PM
Apr 18

Where does his wife shop for food? Where do his kids go to school? How about the older generation of his family -what about them? Do they go for walks? On what blocks and what time usually?

It works both ways.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
39. Watters isn't going to be jailed.
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:40 PM
Apr 18

First, his tweeting public information was not a crime. Second, he wasn't the only, or even the first, entity to report the publicly available information about the juror. Third, the Supreme Court has unanimously held that the First Amendment imposes constraints on limiting the press from reporting on trials, including the voir dire stage. The constitutionally preferred means of balancing the various interests in play is to do exactly what Judge Merchan has now done -- directed that certain information about the jurors not be part of the public record.

lostnfound

(16,192 posts)
66. Jesse Watters will get someone murdered, but it won't be his fault, his crime, or a burden to his conscience
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 04:00 PM
Apr 18

Because he is swine among swine.

0rganism

(23,975 posts)
33. "That's a very nice jury you've got there, shame if something happened to it."
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:18 PM
Apr 18

Straight up mob-style strong arming the NYC courts.

If the MAGA trolls get away consequence-free with this, how can we expect safe polling places in November? This is a real problem the DNC cannot afford to ignore.

Mike Nelson

(9,973 posts)
36. Hmmm...
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:25 PM
Apr 18

... guess Jesse Walters took out the first one. Probably, Lara Ingram will be up next. They are going to "take out" jury members.

TeamProg

(6,289 posts)
41. If the court and jury needs full sequestering, we can predict that Fox will say a "secret trial!" convicted TFS. nt
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 01:44 PM
Apr 18

RockRaven

(15,025 posts)
54. TFG has infinite peremptory challenges now. His allies just need to follow
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 02:28 PM
Apr 18

this example. They don't even need to be broadcasters. Just spam that shit all over social media. It will spread, fast.

Ping Tung

(737 posts)
64. That loud squiishy sound you hear is a reporter? jounranlist? sniveller? paying homage kissing the ring? hind parts?
Thu Apr 18, 2024, 03:26 PM
Apr 18

of a still active crook now standing trial for felonious crimes.

krawhitham

(4,648 posts)
71. I know everyone is up in arms over this, but he said nothing you could not read in NYTimes or Washingtion Post.
Fri Apr 19, 2024, 11:49 AM
Apr 19

Sure he added

"I'm not so sure about Juror No. 2."

Only thing he did was put it on TV, all the papers were printing every detail about the Juries that was revealed in court

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