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WATCH: Yesterday, the Berkeley City Council held its final meeting before a one-month recess. The agenda of the meeting included an item on marking Holocaust Remembrance Day and funding educational programs around this commemoration. There was nothing on the meeting agenda about the Israel-Hamas War.
Demonstrators called Jews "Zionist pigs," intimidated a Holocaust survivor, stole and threw a Jewish man's phone toward the dais and implied city council members were being bought by the Jewish community.
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mcar
(42,465 posts)Celerity
(43,734 posts)sarisataka
(18,895 posts)while trying to intimidate elderly Holocaust survivors. I am 100% sure when they say "Zionist" they don't mean "Jew" {sarc}
In this totally non-antisemitic burst of Judenhass I noted at least on say to "End Israel". Is that just aspirational?
For those who claim they never see Hamas support, watch this then try to defend it.
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)I dont wanna hear anymore about how this is all about Israel and nothing about Jews. Bullshit. These people have been waiting in the wings since time immemorial. Well, theyre in for a big surprise because we aint going anywhere.
Nutty Putty
(34 posts)Because I don't think "they're" going anywhere either.
RandySF
(59,697 posts)sarisataka
(18,895 posts)Likely true, but do you have an opinion why this is so?
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)Nutty Putty
(34 posts)But I'll let the Jew haters speak for themselves.
sarisataka
(18,895 posts)so that antisemitism is the great unifier. It is a worldwide phenomenon that crosses race, creed, color, religion and all other factors that divide us. The overwhelming majority of people agree, if something is wrong find a Jew to blame.
Is that close to your opinion?
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)agingdem
(7,874 posts)act the victim...and the problem antisemites have with the Holocaust/survivors is regret Hitler didn't succeed in ridding the world of the Jewish people...and he tried...
Sympthsical
(9,182 posts)Because watching these videos where people who show up at these random ass meetings and go wild, some of them do not seem . . . well.
Also, yeah, they're just racists.
Also also. This is pretty much just a Wednesday in Berkeley. It's like someone emptied Telegraph into the council chamber.
RandySF
(59,697 posts)Sympthsical
(9,182 posts)And their entire thing is Berkeley news. I guess what happens at a city council meeting isn't terribly interesting for them.
Not in SFGate. Not in the Chronicle. Though the arrest of man for slashing tires is! So, hey, we can all rest easy.
I'm sure we shouldn't be noticing this.
Ace Rothstein
(3,199 posts)There is definitely a narrative created at times. And it can be difficult to find a good source on certain stories when some of the media refuses to cover a specific story
mopinko
(70,337 posts)convinced drugs r behind way more of our ills than we realize. cops on roids, magats on meth and ozy.
i cd go on.
beaglelover
(3,497 posts)stopdiggin
(11,411 posts)was carried out with the intention of winning people over to the cause ...
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Caliman73
(11,760 posts)People tend to create a nostalgia around ...once upon a time. MLK Jr. was absolutely HATED by A LOT of people, who were not directly involved in the Civil Rights movement. People were either indifferent or cheered when Pinkertons roughed up striking workers during the labor movement.
Most protests were not appreciated until a great while after what they were fighting for became, "normalized".
The people in this action calling a jewish person a "Zionist Pig" are disgusting. People need to stop equating their anger at the policies of the right wing Israeli government with being "Jewish" and need to stop using anti semitic language. You can protest government actions without bringing essential elements of people into the equation. Jewish people are NOT the problem. Right Wing ideologies are the problem.
I absolutely revile Conservatism. I think it is a horrible political ideology. I would go after any leader within the Conservative movement and try to make them answer why they hold such horrible ideas in their heads. To the average follower, I would take a different approach and question what about Conservatism, they think actually works for them. Different approaches for different ends.
Protests are typically to bring attention to an issue and to express sentiment against a some action. It has not typically been meant to "win people to the cause" but to galvanize people who are already in the cause for further actions.
Ace Rothstein
(3,199 posts)I just can't take the Pro-Palestine movement seriously because it is made up of so many bad actors.
debm55
(25,743 posts)EllieBC
(3,051 posts)Nothing shocking here. The much vaunted Berkeley has always been home to antisemitic garbage.
yardwork
(61,772 posts)If they think they are helping Palestinians, they are sadly mistaken.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)if Egypt, Lebanon, or Jordan was 100% liquidating them it wouldn't muster a yawn.
yardwork
(61,772 posts)Shouting at people who are too polite to shout back makes them feel important. They like playing dress up and visiting meetings where they behave like spoiled two year olds. It gives them a sense of purpose and feeds their sense of grievance and victim hood.
If they actually had to sacrifice anything or endure any real hardship they would quit, go home to their nice cribs, and meet a friend for dinner. I've seen them in action all my life. They are spoiled and clueless. They're the left's version of MAGATs.
RandySF
(59,697 posts)yardwork
(61,772 posts)There aren't that many of them but their influence is large. They're responsible for perpetuating the stereotype of the entitled, condescending, ivory tower liberal who is strident and shrill. They're an occupational hazard of living or working in college towns.
I had noticed before that many of them are quite racist (while making a show of having black friends) but had somehow overlooked that they are also quite antisemitic.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)That is all
betsuni
(25,789 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,052 posts)claudette
(3,635 posts)that either. But I also dont support the Israeli government killing babies and toddlers and innocent children by bombs and starvation
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)And I dont support the torture, sexual mutilation while alive, raping, and killing of 1200 Israelis. And I also dont support the 75 years of terrorism inflicted on the Israeli population via bus bombs, cafe bombs, school shootings and the like. And I also dont support the Arab invasion of Israel on the holiest of their holidays in an attempt to EXTERMINATE the Jewish population FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA.
And when Hamas talks of extermination, obviously the rest of the world needs a lesson as to what theyre referring to. But I guarantee you that if Israel found itself in the same position, thered be much less hue and cry from others.
When it comes to we Jews, theres always a but.
what you are seeing Israel do in Gaza is NOT "self-defense." It is outright, pure pre-meditated murder. In any sane world, 30,000 dead so far in Gaza avenges 1200 Israelis - unless Israel has another motive to wipe out ALL Palestinians. "Extermination" is an ugly word and the world would hate to accuse Israel of wanting to "exterminate" another race. Right?
PCIntern
(25,642 posts)Im not advocating it, but it is what is happening. The Palestinians historically want like 700 Palestinians released from jails for one Usraeli citizen. The Israelis are holding them to tgat ratio.
What you need to do to stop this completely and totally is start clamoring for the release of whatever Israeli hostages are still alive as well as the remains of the dead ones. . Did we forget about them? I havent.
TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)You seem to have no idea what the concept even is and it has nothing to do with a body count or avenging anything.
It is self defense to remove the threat and malicious folly to count to 1200 or 1400 and turn around and await the next attack to avenge.
This concept makes no sense whatsoever. Not morally. Not logically. Certainly not militarily.
It is like some cannot imagine a conflict much beyond squabbling siblings in the 3rd row of mom's SUV.
The count is however many it takes to quell the threat.
Has Hamas been broken or surrendered? Have the hostages been released?
Then the only objectives that matter have not be reached.
Don't like them apples? Fucking surrender/give up the terrorist and release the hostages.
RandySF
(59,697 posts)The people in that video dont merit any but. Theyre thugs, period.
claudette
(3,635 posts)I agree with their thinking, but not with their actions on how to fix the problem.
RandySF
(59,697 posts)All I heard was Zionist pigs and the city council is controlled by Jewish money.
claudette
(3,635 posts)I agree that the Zionist government of Israel is murdering innocents and it should stop NOW.
sarisataka
(18,895 posts)That the Berkeley City Council are Israeli spies and profiteering from genocide? You believe that Israel should be ended?
stopdiggin
(11,411 posts)madaboutharry
(40,245 posts)Being around Zionists really gets my blood boiling.
Anyone who believes this statement is about anything other than Jew hate is lying to themselves and everyone else.
These haters are nothing more than unbalanced losers who hate western democracy because they havent made anything of themselves. People with any sense of self worth and dignity dont behave like this and dont spew hateful slogans.
You can have a political opinion without resorting to behaving like an anarchist, unless you are one.
claudette
(3,635 posts)Do all Jews consider themselves Zionists? Those in my family do not.
tritsofme
(17,435 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,035 posts)how great slavery was for black people too.