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[hlthe2b]

1. one word: bullshit

Unbelievable...

[A HERETIC I AM]

4. My post is bullshit?

Really?

Did you listen to what he said? Have you EVER fucking heard any of his speeches, ever?

I see your eyeroll and raise you a facepalm!

[hlthe2b]

6. Just like Jan 6 was not an insurrection but just a bunch of misunderstood tourists and

Trump never said anything to incite them. Unbelievable genuflection. Unbelievable.

[TexasDem69]

10. I assume you haven't read the transcript

Or listened to the speech. Because the OP is completely correct.

[hlthe2b]

14. How foolish. Trump incites with coded language. How can any here be so naive?

Read Jen Psaki's take if you don't wish to listen to the majority of other DUers:

Jen Psaki Destroys The Trump Campaign’s Bloodbath Spin

https://www.politicususa.com/2024/03/17/jen-psaki-destroys-the-trump-campaigns-bloodbath-spin.html/amp

"SNIP..........

Jen Psaki destroyed the Trump campaign’s spin of his bloodbath comments by providing the full context for what Trump was talking about.

Psaki said on her MSNBC show:

If they want us to consider the full context, let’s do just that because the full context is that Trump kicked off the same exact rally by saluting the people who were convicted for the deadly assault on the US Capitol on January 6th, all to the tune of the national anthem sung by a choir of imprisoned insurrectionists. The full context is that some of the first words out of Trump’s mouth last night, same rally were thanking those rioters and calling them patriots. The full context is that he also said in this same rally, quote, if this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country. The full context is that he went on to say some undocumented immigrants are quote, not people. And of course, the full context is that this is much bigger than one single speech.

This embrace of political violence, this dehumanizing language. This is what Donald Trump has been preaching for years. In January, he warned that there will be quote bedlam in this country. If his criminal prosecution derailed his campaign late last year. He echoed the dehumanizing language of Adolf Hitler comparing his political opponents to vermin and saying immigrants are quote poisoning the blood of our country last month. He said there would be potential death and destruction if he was charged in the Manhattan criminal probe. And during his first term, he flat out refused to condemn the political violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia saying there were very fine people on both sides. In 2020, he reportedly asked his defense secretary about shooting people who were protesting the death of George Floyd saying, can you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something? And of course, his very words inspired violence on January 6th 2021 when he told a crowd of his supporters to walk down to the Capitol and fight like hell because quote, you’ll never take back our country with weakness. Trust me, I could go on and on and on.

..........SNIP"

[TexasDem69]

17. So now it's super secret code that only Republicans understand?

You really think Trump is that smart, much less the foot soldiers that comprise the bulk of his support?

[hlthe2b]

23. Posted in error to the wrong person.

[TexasDem69]

29. That post was an appropriate response

And even if it wasn’t it was self-deleted. So why are you calling out the poster?

[hlthe2b]

31. No. It certainly was not.

[TexasDem69]

32. Sure it was

You are being condescending to multiple DU members and got called out for it. You should apologize

[hlthe2b]

35. Shame on you. That is my response

[SoFlaBro]

20. Orange Fuckstain could clarify the shit but he doesn't bother because the violent message was fucking received.

[JCMach1]

51. The OP is correct. Watch the whole clip from his speech.

It is what it is... Only makes our side look silly to take it out of context.

[LuckyCharms]

54. Context matters not.

What matters is what his intended audience heard.

I don't think MAGATs care about context.

It was a fine example of a dog whistle.

[A HERETIC I AM]

63. And that, I agree with.

[onenote]

67. Do you think his MAGATS need a dog whistle? I've seen many posts here prior to yesterday's speech

where it has been predicted that his crazies will repeat January 6 if he's defeated.

[LuckyCharms]

69. Do they NEED a dog whistle?

I don't know, but Trump sure gives them plenty.

[hlthe2b]

60. Usually agree with you, JCMach1 but you miss the full context.

Jen Psaki Destroys The Trump Campaign’s Bloodbath Spin

https://www.politicususa.com/2024/03/17/jen-psaki-destroys-the-trump-campaigns-bloodbath-spin.html/amp

"SNIP..........

Jen Psaki destroyed the Trump campaign’s spin of his bloodbath comments by providing the full context for what Trump was talking about.

Psaki said on her MSNBC show:

If they want us to consider the full context, let’s do just that because the full context is that Trump kicked off the same exact rally by saluting the people who were convicted for the deadly assault on the US Capitol on January 6th, all to the tune of the national anthem sung by a choir of imprisoned insurrectionists. The full context is that some of the first words out of Trump’s mouth last night, same rally were thanking those rioters and calling them patriots. The full context is that he also said in this same rally, quote, if this election isn’t won, I’m not sure that you’ll ever have another election in this country. The full context is that he went on to say some undocumented immigrants are quote, not people. And of course, the full context is that this is much bigger than one single speech.

This embrace of political violence, this dehumanizing language. This is what Donald Trump has been preaching for years. In January, he warned that there will be quote bedlam in this country. If his criminal prosecution derailed his campaign late last year. He echoed the dehumanizing language of Adolf Hitler comparing his political opponents to vermin and saying immigrants are quote poisoning the blood of our country last month. He said there would be potential death and destruction if he was charged in the Manhattan criminal probe. And during his first term, he flat out refused to condemn the political violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia saying there were very fine people on both sides. In 2020, he reportedly asked his defense secretary about shooting people who were protesting the death of George Floyd saying, can you just shoot them, just shoot them in the legs or something? And of course, his very words inspired violence on January 6th 2021 when he told a crowd of his supporters to walk down to the Capitol and fight like hell because quote, you’ll never take back our country with weakness. Trust me, I could go on and on and on.

..........SNIP"

and in short:

Link to tweet

[JCMach1]

72. My bigger concern is how the media has reported the whole thing

MSM is essentially only lazily looking for Trump gotcha moments. Meanwhile he praises the J6 PERPS among other horrors. Media gives crickets on these things on the regular.

We also need to be paying attention to populist 'real' content. Trump has recently struck on Chinese re-imports by Mexican companies and sprinkled this among his typical trade war rhetoric. We on the left ignore these topics at are peril, especially when victory runs through the rust belt where victory is at risk if any of these issues really stick to move 2-4%.

We misunderestimate Trump at our peril.

[hlthe2b]

76. "We misunderestimate Trump at our peril."

Absolutely.

[Ohio Joe]

22. Correct - nt

[gay texan]

61. Ill second that: bullshit

Trump says exacly what he means....

[Reader Rabbit]

2. Stochastic Terrorism

It provides the dog whistle to those willing to take it seriously, and it provides plausible deniability for the demagogue attempting to stir them up.

[erronis]

46. that's it. But the OP and others want to treat it as a simple misunderstanding.

I fear that the apologetic crew will be out in force in the next few months.

"Don't listen to what it said - taken out of context."

Dog whistles - AKA "read my lips"/

[Cha]

70. What a job.. explaining TSF.

[peggysue2]

48. Bingo!

MAGA supporters know exactly what he means in the same way they knew what Stand Back and Stand By meant.

[Lunabell]

56. Yes!

What YOU said.

[Tribetime]

3. I see this way way way different.I think trump just

Kneecapped himself blast him on this. Biden just caught up to him on Predictit

[budkin]

5. He means EXACTLY what he says

Stop defending this garbage.

[BeyondGeography]

7. A bloodbath "for the whole country"

and (the auto industry) will “be the least of it.”

The “that” in his quote referred to the auto industry.

A bloodbath for the whole country not just the auto industry (that will be the least of it) is literally what he said.

[FalloutShelter]

12. This is exactly the perfect example of a dog whistle.

But… but… it was about the auto industry.

The words his fiends heard were Blood and Bath.

[Fla Dem]

8. I'm not concerned about how "we" take his "bloodbath" comment.

I'm concerned about how the radical Maga idiots interpret it. They see it as their marching orders if he loses the election once more. Just as they used his comments as an order to storm the Capitol on Jan 6th.

[SarahD]

9. Intentionally ambiguous.

Trump knows the term "bloodbath" can be taken two different ways, and he means to convey both meanings. Many people will think he's speaking of financial catastrophe, which he thinks, incorrectly, will occur if he loses. And he knows the gun humping nazis and incels will think he's calling them to arms, which he hopes will happen if he loses. He's perfectly happy with both interpretations. He's a dog whistle specialist.

[TexasDem69]

13. We constantly accuse Trump of being senile or suffering dementia

Then turn around and claim he’s the most clever politician on earth. Which is it? I think he just has no internal governor whatsoever. He says stupid shit all the time, this is no different. At worse it ambiguous, at best he’s talking about the impact of Biden’s reelection on the auto industry

[hlthe2b]

18. You know little about the forms and stages of the types of dementia if you don't realize

that many affected have periods of lucid thinking--even at the stage where the "sundowning" phenomenon occurs.

Unbelievable level of denial and genuflection toward MAGA's "explainers" here by a handful of posters. Really naive.

[TexasDem69]

26. That's some pretty special explaining you just did

Accusing DU members of “genuflecting” to Trump and then telling me I don’t understand dementia because I called your bullshit post for what is is, bullshit. You’re now claiming Trump had one moment of lucidity when he used the term “bloodbath” amongst his general senility. As others have said, fuck you. I have family members currently suffering from dementia and understand exactly how it works.

[hlthe2b]

34. Not at all. But you defend Trump and his violent rhetoric as much as you wish.

You will learn about coded language some day, but we will all suffer.

[TexasDem69]

37. Look, Trump is awful

And he may have intentionally used the word bloodbath, but it seems completely ambiguous. I’m going to move on because we aren’t accomplishing anything by arguing about it. And apologies for telling you to fuck off.

[betsuni]

74. I was oblivious to G.W. Bush's coded language aimed at evangelicals until I real about it.

Trump's is too obvious!

[SarahD]

43. I think he is all those things.

Dumb as a post but capable of being devious and clever. Raving mad but still connected to reality just short of running naked except for a tinfoil hat. Selfish and shallow but able to fake some sympathy and empathy when necessary. And so on.

[SoFlaBro]

62. Why does your response have to come down to "fuck you"? That language towards each other is not good for our community.

[Disaffected]

71. Condescension anyone??

There's lot's to go around here.

[walkingman]

41. Much worse than that....

At worse it ambiguous, at best he’s talking about the impact of Biden’s reelection on the auto industry

I think it is far worse than ambiguous. TFG is a narcissistic bully that will do everything in his power to run over or ruin people that disagree with him. It is very troubling to me that his trash mouth is acceptable to so many. Not so long ago it would have immediately have ended his candidacy but now is simply discounted. I think it speaks to the damage he has done and continues to do to this nation.

[Think. Again.]

49. Do you really think he doen't have other people working with him?

I wish we never heard of Stephen Miller, and he's just one of trump's advisors.

[Sibelius Fan]

11. Context does not matter when it comes to tRump. His game is to get the word bloodbath

into the political dialogue where his rabid followers will take it up in the worst possible way. In the meanwhile, progressive commentators raise the “context” card, which does nothing but enable the success of tRump’s intention.

[blue cat]

15. Did he not specify

For the whole country? Did you not listen?

[A HERETIC I AM]

44. ...

[elleng]

24. good bye

[A HERETIC I AM]

42. I think that's the first time I've ever been able to actually read one of her posts before she was booted!

That had to be "Library Girl" or whatever, right?

One of those "post once and get shit canned" types!

[elleng]

47. I don't know who, but clearly DUE for a booting!

[LuckyCharms]

30. Huh.

[Hope22]

21. Look, fool me once shame on you.....fool me twice shame on me...

I watched his BS insurrection with my own eyes. They talked about it for a month before they DID IT!! And at the end of the day people were like …Who knew? They were telling us what was going to happen. It was no surprise!!!! It is insane to ignore what he is telling you with his very own words.

[BlueKota]

65. This.

I was told again and again that I was over reacting to Trump's remarks about admiring dictators and saying he wanted to be one. That he was "just joking." I knew because of every single history course, political science course, and psychology course he wasn't joking

Then January 6 occurred and my instincts were dead on. He's threatened violent revenge on Democrats, he wants to be able to deport anyone he so chooses. Just because he is suffering cognitive decline on top of having narcissistic personality disorder, doesn't mean he isn't capable of being a dangerous inciter.

If those of us who believe this are wrong then we are wrong. No harm, no foul. If, however, what he says is just dismissed as just "Trump being Trump," and no steps are taken to prepare for the possibility that he either chose that phrase or was fed it by one of his handlers for it's most literal meaning," it will be too late to do anything to prevent it from becoming reality.

[Hope22]

78. I hear you! Next time the House will not be so lucky.

Remember when people were sidestepping the metal detectors. What are the chances some of those folks were armed. This time it’s a good bet that the usual crazies will be armed. On the morning of January 6th I posted on FB…..A Storm is Coming with a photo I had taken from an approaching storm on my sailboat. I was not surprised at what I saw. I’m more than concerned for every moment after the November results. It is going to be believably unbelievable! This talk of TSF not being serious is disgusting!

[Mike Nelson]

25. I agree...

...the impression is that he was describing how the country would react after a 2024 election loss. It seemed clear he was on a China rant.

[FakeNoose]

27. Chump already KNOWS he's going to lose in November

What he says now is meant to be heard by his minions on the early November day when the election results are announced.

Chump used the same strategy in 2020 when he KNEW he was going to lose. And he used it in 2016 when he was PRETTY SURE he was going to lose. (quickly back-peddled of course)

This is all he's got - rage and fear. Even the Repukes are getting sick of it.

[getagrip_already]

28. He talks in mob code, but in this case...

He was very clear that if he loses the election, there would be a bloodbath.

Not out of context. That is the context. The car comments were out of context to the election comment.

The election comment stands alone. It is all he cares about.

[greatauntoftriplets]

33. The White House took it seriously.

[hlthe2b]

39. Exactly.

[Silent Type]

36. Typical overreaction, outrage, misinformation, etc. But trump is still an Ahole.

[mopinko]

38. who cares how we 'look' to magats?

the road to fascism is littered w ppl telling u you’re over reacting.

[underpants]

40. I completely disagree. "...the least thing" (twice) makes his intent very clear

[niyad]

45. Biden-Harris seems to understand exactly what he said and meant, as did

our own EarlG.

[erronis]

50. Hey, DU. Any way to have a negative Req to a post?

No. And I understand we don't want to become another flame-throwing contest.

[LuckyCharms]

52. The White House disagrees with you.

[Think. Again.]

53. I disagree with you...

...and so does President Biden:

"It’s clear this guy wants another January 6." - President Biden in response to trump's bloodbath threat.

Link to tweet

[WhiteTara]

55. I'm a fan of Maya Angelou and

when they tell you who they are, believe them the first time.

[Scrivener7]

57. After all this time, you have to know better than that.

[Lunabell]

58. Nope.

He speaks to inflame his kkkult followers and this will be another call to "stand back and stand by."

[Jazz Jon]

59. Trump Supporter

So you are a Trump supporter, A Heretic I Am? Or did you forget to put the sarcasm thingy?

[LuckyCharms]

64. No, the OP is not a Trump supporter. n/t

[Silent3]

66. I won't perpetuate a deliberate misinterpretation myself, but...

...if some people are misinterpreting Trump as being more bloodthirsty than his comments indicate, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

Republicans play the game of taking shit out of context to make Democrats look bad all of the time. I have no sympathy for Republicans when out-of-context info makes them look bad.

Now, if the "bloodbath" controversy is truly making Democrats look silly, that's another matter. But is it really doing that?

[SoFlaBro]

68. When has Orange Fuckstain ever engaged in any shitfaced subtlety or goddamn nuance?

[Irish_Dem]

73. What's really silly is not understanding that Trump is dangerous.

He is a sadistic ruthless sociopath and will destroy as much as it takes to get what he wants.

[PufPuf23]

75. Trump has repeatedly made threats and stated intent in his many speeches

and social media posts.

A man was just arrested in my county for making threats in social media.

HCSO SAYS, ARCATA MAN ARRESTED ON CHARGES STEMMING FROM ONLINE THREATS AND ANTISEMITIC MESSAGES

Wednesday, 13 March 2024, 11:46 am Staff Redhead Blackbelt

On Jan. 8, 2024, the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office received a call from an individual reporting he and his son had received several threatening and Anti-Semitic messages on social media.

Upon further investigation, it was determined that the messages were sent from 33-year-old Daniel Epperson. An arrest warrant was issued for Epperson on March 5, 2024

https://kymkemp.com/2024/03/13/hcso-says-arcata-man-arrested-on-charges-stemming-from-online-threats-and-antisemitic-messages/

[LuckyCharms]

77. Dems are sitting here arguing about what Trump "meant", in context.

Meanwhile, those people who the remark was intended for, who probably do not have the best analytical skills, heard "If I am not elected, there will be a bloodbath".

Context doesn't matter, but rather, it matters what they heard.

It was provocative language, and provocative language provokes.

It's all by design.

[A HERETIC I AM]

79. Oh, fuck this fucking nonsense.

Honestly. Some oif you fucking poeople actually thinkI'm a Trumpo supporter? Or that I can't fucking disceern when that narcissitic asshole is using hsi well worn hyperbole?


For those of you that think I don't understand what it was he was actually trying to say, I fucking know what he was trying to say OK? Some of you who are questioning my understanding of what he said, have known me for 15 years or more. Have I presented myself as someone who doesn't fucking get it? Who is naive, as one person said? Really? Do you folks really think I'm that fucking stupid?

LOL...don't answer that.

Fuck this nonsense.

EarlG, If you see this, I'm sorry this got out of hand. I'm sorry I lost my temper. This is a perfect example of why I don't put up many OP's and why I don't have 100,000 posts. Because way too many people on this board these days refuse to actually read, try and understand a point and think things through.

I chose my user name for a very specific reason; Because I do hold opinions that are contrary to the established norms.

So...I'll delete this OP, but place the text here;

Be well folks.

Trumps "Bloodbath" comment is being taken WAY too literally here and elsewhere

Look, we have all been listening to this fuckhead for better than eight years now, right? Everyone should know that he is a fucking scatterbrained dipshit who regularly says things that are non-sequiturs and out of the blue, un-related or seemingly irrelevant to the train of thought or speech he is spewing.

That he did that again the other day shouldn't be a surprise.

The term "Bloodbath" is not always meant in the way everyone seems to be taking it when used in the context of a trade war, which is the context he was speaking.

He was talking about China setting up auto plants in Mexico with the intended market of the USA. He was trying to make the point that any such trade would result in a marketing issue for them against US car makers.

I could not wish for his early death more than any of you, and I'm not trying to make his way any easier, but for fucks sake, he wasn't calling for a literal bloodbath in terms of human death. He was talking about a trade issue. And let's not forget, his understanding of such issues is about as deep as a carbuncle.

We are looking silly, frankly.