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Ben Stein Has Done The Math. Breaks The Rule Of Telling The Truth On Fox News (Original Post) Playinghardball Nov 2012 OP
When the GOP loses that sheep you know the flock is in disarray. JaneyVee Nov 2012 #1
Bueller... Bueller... Fox... Fox budkin Nov 2012 #2
Actualy, I think he said this a month or two ago. brooklynite Nov 2012 #3
He's been saying this for years, actually. Schema Thing Nov 2012 #6
It is called "giving up the sleeves off his vest" BlueStreak Nov 2012 #4
While I wouldn't go so far as to call it complete bullshit.... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #11
Raising the bogus rate is the ONLY thing anybody is talking about. They are playing us for fools. BlueStreak Nov 2012 #19
Ben Stein is NOT an economist. MNBrewer Nov 2012 #5
you're right Enrique Nov 2012 #7
He did major in economics sarisataka Nov 2012 #8
Picky picky picky! He did play an economist in Ferris Bueller's Day Off! struggle4progress Nov 2012 #10
Uhh, really? Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #12
Boring Economics Teacher struggle4progress Nov 2012 #13
I guess I thought of him as a history teacher.... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #16
Maybe not, but he is the best thing the GOP has going, apparently the smartest in the bunch RepublicansRZombies Nov 2012 #15
Like Bill Clinton said, It ain't calculus, it's arithmetic... Wounded Bear Nov 2012 #17
Did he get out alive? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #9
There should be a name for moments like that. When an "expert" suddenly becomes Marr Nov 2012 #14
And the look on his face, like he wants to run! nilram Nov 2012 #18
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
4. It is called "giving up the sleeves off his vest"
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:23 PM
Nov 2012

It is complete bullshit. The top marginal tax is completely irrelevant because none of the rich pay any significant taxes at that rate. Raise that to 99% and it wouldn't affect any of the 0.1%

Here's what DOES affect them and you notice that neither Ben Stein nor Barack Obama is talking about any of these things:

a) Setting the cap gains rate back to 20% where it was under Clinton, or better yet, putting it back to the same rate as earned income, just as Reagen had it -- that was one of the tax increases Reagen pushed for.

b) Move dividend taxes back to the earned income rate, as they were under Clinton.

c) Get rid of billionaire's loopholes like carried interest that allows them to launder their income under the special low cap gains rate.

d) Do something about all the Enron-style fake corporate structures and offshore tricks used to hide income from taxation altogether.

Nobody is talking about these things. They are all talking about the bullshit top marginal rate that makes no difference at all. They are all selling us out, including Obama.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
11. While I wouldn't go so far as to call it complete bullshit....
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:45 PM
Nov 2012

Your points are well taken. All of those things would go far in raising revenue from the top 1%.

But I'd still raise the rates.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
19. Raising the bogus rate is the ONLY thing anybody is talking about. They are playing us for fools.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:06 PM
Nov 2012

When the cameras are turned off, Obama and Boehner pop open a 5th of scotch are yuk it up about how stupid the public is.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
5. Ben Stein is NOT an economist.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:25 PM
Nov 2012

He's a lawyer, "actor", and writer, but not an economist. Just because he's talking here about money doesn't make him one.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. you're right
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:56 PM
Nov 2012

I always thought he was an economist for some reason. Maybe because everyone calls him one. But I just checked quickly and you're right he's not.

sarisataka

(18,774 posts)
8. He did major in economics
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 02:58 PM
Nov 2012

and graduated with honors before law school. True he is not nor ever has been an economist per se.

struggle4progress

(118,348 posts)
10. Picky picky picky! He did play an economist in Ferris Bueller's Day Off!
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:39 PM
Nov 2012

What more could Republicans possibly need, in order to take his economic thoughts seriously?

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
12. Uhh, really?
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:48 PM
Nov 2012

I thought he played a teacher or school administrator.



I think his "economist" cred comes from that old TV show "Win Ben Stein's Money." That and his numerous appearances on talk TV talking about economics.

Wounded Bear

(58,713 posts)
16. I guess I thought of him as a history teacher....
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 04:32 PM
Nov 2012

We didn't have Economics in HS where I graduated. At least I don't remember it.

 
15. Maybe not, but he is the best thing the GOP has going, apparently the smartest in the bunch
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:54 PM
Nov 2012

The only one capable of using logic and common sense.

He must be wondering to himself, 'I'm not really an economist, how is it I am the smartest guy around?'

Because you don't have to be an economist to use basic logic and common sense, but the politicians and corporate media have their heads so far up their asses, they think we are just as stupid as they are.

Why would we let the most corrupt disgusting corporate media ever lead this discussion, and allow they most hated Congress ever...to make policy decisions that the rest of us must suffer and die under?

WE have to realize we are ALL smarter than the corporate media and idiot politicians and start acting like it.

WE the PEOPLE need to take back our power.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
14. There should be a name for moments like that. When an "expert" suddenly becomes
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 03:53 PM
Nov 2012

"naive" or "uninformed".

I've noticed it happens all the time in ideological environments, to anyone who acknowledges that the emperor is naked.

nilram

(2,893 posts)
18. And the look on his face, like he wants to run!
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 05:12 PM
Nov 2012

Though I know that's a frame that the graphic artist chose, it does tell a story.

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