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RandySF

(59,558 posts)
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 03:29 AM Mar 6

CA-SEN: Katie Porter swipes at special interests, billionaires and Adam Schiff

Katie Porter laced into "special interests and billionaires" who spent money against her unsuccessful Senate campaign Tuesday night, after acknowledging her campaign came up short.

"Because of you, we have the establishment running scared," Porter told a supportive crowd in Long Beach, before making an implicit swipe at Rep. Adam Schiff as her "opponent spending more to boost the Republican than promoting his own campaign."

Porter portrayed herself as an unconventional candidate, one who veered from the typical "polished" persona and was one of the rare single mothers in Congress.




https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/03/05/super-tuesday-2024/katie-porter-senate-race-campaign-ends-00145279

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CA-SEN: Katie Porter swipes at special interests, billionaires and Adam Schiff (Original Post) RandySF Mar 6 OP
Oh yeah.. Is Pres Biden labeled "establishment"?.. He doesn't look Scared. Cha Mar 6 #1
I had to chuckle when she trotted-out that tired old "establishment" crap * Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #74
She is getting so much Backlash.. Cha Mar 7 #77
Oh wow! She actually said "rigged"??? I'm beyond disgusted! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #80
It really is a Shame how it Cha Mar 7 #84
2016 called again, it wants its conspiracy theories back. betsuni Mar 7 #92
Californians are "hungry" for Adam Schiff. Cha Mar 6 #2
"hungry for leaders that break the mold" -- what mold? What "establishment" and why are they "running scared"? betsuni Mar 6 #3
The "establishment" is anyone who doesn't vote for you. RandySF Mar 6 #4
It's a shame. Backing the wrong populist anti-establishment horse with no future. betsuni Mar 6 #5
I don't think you noticed... Bucky Mar 6 #9
I don't think you noticed, but Warren doesn't attack her colleagues as corrupt sexists. betsuni Mar 6 #12
💥 Boom. Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #75
Exactly Rebl2 Mar 7 #90
I never liked her and so Happy Adam Schiff WON!! Cha Mar 6 #43
I wasn't sure if it is acceptable on this forum to dislike a Dem, Abolishinist Mar 7 #50
Whoa... Not surprising but I'm Cha Mar 7 #69
Thanks for sharing that. That description of your interaction with her certainly comports with * Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #73
In interviews Nina Turner often said "I'm right! I'm right!" betsuni Mar 7 #79
I really liked her a lot too Dorian Gray Mar 7 #60
Sour grapes True Blue American Mar 7 #62
She chose and she did not choose wisely. sheshe2 Mar 7 #98
Hmmm.. I seem to Remember Some other politician saying Cha Mar 6 #42
KP's sister... sheshe2 Mar 7 #99
Not "Good", she! Are Our Dem Eclections About Cha Mar 7 #100
I am thrilled that he won. sheshe2 Mar 7 #101
Adam Schiff Tweet... I just followed him on Twitter! Cha Mar 7 #105
I am looking forward to watching the SOTU. sheshe2 Mar 7 #107
You're Very Welcome.. I will Cha Mar 7 #108
Wow! SocialDemocrat61 Mar 6 #6
Ya think! Cha Mar 6 #44
I'm frankly surprised DFW Mar 6 #46
I am shocked she did not prepare a more generous concession speech karynnj Mar 6 #7
It's a tough loss and she's passionate about using government to make our lives better Bucky Mar 6 #8
I completely get that it was a tough loss, but think back to Hillary, Kerry, or Gore's concession karynnj Mar 6 #10
Agree Bucky Mar 6 #11
Addendum: a personal experience Bucky Mar 6 #13
I don't know, I'm kind of tired of pissed off people fighting. I'd like to see reasonable people thinking Walleye Mar 6 #29
That's legit. I wish it worked that way too Bucky Mar 8 #114
Schiff may be male, but.... RandySF Mar 7 #51
The Hamas lovers and Free Palestine sock puppets are anti Semitic. SoFlaBro Mar 7 #52
And he is a team player and did not endorse Nina Turner...who continues to attack our Party. Demsrule86 Mar 6 #40
I'm not. Cha Mar 6 #45
Ms. Porter scares the rich and powerful. Kid Berwyn Mar 6 #14
Porter would have won if Schiff didn't run. Renew Deal Mar 6 #15
When money doesn't buy what it used to scares people with money. Kid Berwyn Mar 6 #17
The better candidate won Renew Deal Mar 6 #21
That's your opinion. Kid Berwyn Mar 6 #25
Then we agree Renew Deal Mar 6 #26
schiff got millions from AIPAC according to Jewish Times of N Cal womanofthehills Mar 7 #71
Would he have lost if it wasn't for that? Renew Deal Mar 7 #81
Your point? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 7 #83
They're "going after" and "coming for her" OH NO! betsuni Mar 7 #91
Isn't their whole creed to come after incumbent Democrats Nixie Mar 8 #118
"Scary," the-establishment-is-terrified business doesn't make any sense. betsuni Mar 6 #22
That is assuming that another candidate wouldn't run Jose Garcia Mar 7 #70
Rich and powerful people are scared? I haven't noticed it Walleye Mar 6 #30
Money for a sense of security. Kid Berwyn Mar 6 #34
What a spectacular flame-out. You could see this coming a mile away, though. Nixie Mar 6 #16
Yes. Sigh. betsuni Mar 6 #23
And now the US House of Representatives . . . baklava Mar 6 #37
She should have just known her place Cuthbert Allgood Mar 7 #93
More like NanaCat Mar 7 #110
That's not what the person I responded to said. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 8 #112
Sorry Katie, the billionaires and corporations don't feel you are sufficiently trustworthy to support their interests. jalan48 Mar 6 #18
The voters of California decided her fate. Nixie Mar 6 #27
Funny. NanaCat Mar 7 #111
I'm not going to join in on the brutal attacks against her. TakeItEasy Mar 6 #19
I hope so.... but wiser and more strategic. Happy Hoosier Mar 6 #24
Brutal? LOL! Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #76
My estimation of her has plummeted. Happy Hoosier Mar 6 #20
Sopranos reference? All Mixed Up Mar 7 #54
I love that show, but it was not a conscious reference. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 7 #64
I'm curious, what's the Sopranos reference? betsuni Mar 7 #72
At least Bill Clinton laughed his ass off when he heard this: DFW Mar 7 #55
I've never seen that! Thanks. betsuni Mar 7 #57
Give it time. Patience is a virtue! n/t DFW Mar 7 #59
Never saw that! Very funny! NT Happy Hoosier Mar 7 #65
Thanks! DFW Mar 7 #68
I have something in common with a great president. shrike3 Mar 7 #88
He, like Obama, is left-handed DFW Mar 7 #95
I am not (left-handed) shrike3 Mar 7 #106
That was one of two songs we did on that album with that theme DFW Mar 7 #109
If he didn't promote himself than why did he get more votes than her ? JI7 Mar 6 #28
Sour grapes mcar Mar 6 #31
Really? You are playing the Nina Turner card Katie, and that is disgraceful. Not only that, you are implying that JohnSJ Mar 6 #32
Exactly what I thought. Nina Turner, Cornel West types -- no future in that direction. betsuni Mar 6 #35
Yes. It is sad. JohnSJ Mar 6 #39
There was nothing subtle about it at all and that was more than simply "implying" * Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #78
Ambiguous and passive-aggressive, like saying some people are saying the election was rigged or betsuni Mar 7 #96
Bingo. Oopsie Daisy Mar 7 #97
Ouch! Mike Nelson Mar 6 #33
Awesome! Giving Garvey some campaign fodder... Way to go! Chakaconcarne Mar 6 #36
Katie, maybe the people believe that Adam will make a better US Senator than you would. republianmushroom Mar 6 #38
I'm very sorry that those two ended up in a race Crunchy Frog Mar 6 #41
Feel the same. Real shame. shrike3 Mar 7 #86
Please don't tell me she is going to be one of these now.. DemocratInPa Mar 6 #47
This is not a good look. Don't go out this way, Katie. W_HAMILTON Mar 6 #48
Sad to see her invoked the "rigged" rhetoric against fellow Democrats. That sounds like a certain Orange Shitstain. SoFlaBro Mar 7 #49
Awful "concession" speech awesomerwb1 Mar 7 #53
+1 Rec. She didn't have to take the fucking shit all the way to "rigged" election. That is Orange Fuckstain talk. SoFlaBro Mar 7 #56
She ran a lot of ads on local TV Retrograde Mar 7 #87
She put out a brand new statement and doubles down on the shit. SoFlaBro Mar 7 #58
I'm puzzled. Voters were manipulated and mesmerized by ads? They have Stockholm syndrome or something? betsuni Mar 7 #61
She got 13 percent of the vote bottomofthehill Mar 7 #63
Thie juvenile statement further proves California made the right choice. tinrobot Mar 7 #66
I trust Speaker Emirta Pelosi LetMyPeopleVote Mar 7 #67
After Biden is sworn in this January, he should replace Garland with Katie Porter. patphil Mar 7 #82
LOL! 😂🤣🙄 Oopsie Daisy Mar 8 #117
... sheshe2 Mar 8 #119
What a poor loser she is. StarryNite Mar 7 #85
The more Rebl2 Mar 7 #89
She's been in Congress 4 fucking measly years and she THREW away her seat at the table. I'm pretty annoyed at this GuppyGal Mar 7 #94
I hope everyone remembers this thread when some beloved Democrat I never liked gets criticized. LakeArenal Mar 7 #102
IMHO, this is just sad. Schiff is wonderful and I'm glad he won. I thought spooky3 Mar 7 #103
2 great candidates, only 1 could win. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 7 #104
Who? Happy Hoosier Mar 8 #113
I voted for Katie Tom of Temecula Mar 8 #115
No one likes a sore loser. BannonsLiver Mar 8 #116

Cha

(297,911 posts)
1. Oh yeah.. Is Pres Biden labeled "establishment"?.. He doesn't look Scared.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 03:37 AM
Mar 6

Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi Endorse Adam Schiff.. I Rspect Them.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4443492-former-sen-barbara-boxer-endorses-adam-schiff-in-senate-race/

“There’s been more than one attack by Katie Porter on Adam Schiff,” Boxer said. “The first one was during the debate, she accused him of taking dirty money. Adam is playing by the rules of the game. Katie Porter, if she doesn’t take PAC money, that’s fine. But don’t go after a fellow Democrat after you’ve taken his money in the past for your House race and say he’s taking dirty money.”

Another event that the former Senator said irked her occurred this week.

continued: more from Barbara Boxer

“And now saying that he’s against women when Adam Schiff has been, what we call as women in politics, Sir Galahad. He’s a Sir Galahad. That’s why Nancy Pelosi endorsed him. He’s a great guy and he’s been side by side with us every step of the way. So yes, this has pushed me over the line.”

Apparently Sen Boxer was going to stay out of until she saw all the Attacks on Schiff from Porter.

to Nixie in California who linked this post from Feb 19

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18700215

Good Luck to Adm Schiff!
and

Oopsie Daisy

(2,728 posts)
74. I had to chuckle when she trotted-out that tired old "establishment" crap *
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:43 PM
Mar 7

* and I was almost ready to reach for my bingo card.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,728 posts)
80. Oh wow! She actually said "rigged"??? I'm beyond disgusted! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:01 PM
Mar 7

I she that she made a weak effort to walk-back that accusation, but I'm not buying it. She doesn't live under a rock. She knows that that's how REPUBLICANS behave and try to manipulate voters with those blatant VOTER SUPPRESSION words that cause citizens and voters to distrust the process. SHAME ON HER for saying that and smearing Adam Schiff.

Thanks for the link... I'd missed that completely.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
2. Californians are "hungry" for Adam Schiff.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 03:41 AM
Mar 6

Adam Schiff is one of a kind.. There's No "mold" for him, Porter.

Was that her concession speech?

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
3. "hungry for leaders that break the mold" -- what mold? What "establishment" and why are they "running scared"?
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:58 AM
Mar 6

What is she talking about?

RandySF

(59,558 posts)
4. The "establishment" is anyone who doesn't vote for you.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 05:04 AM
Mar 6

I love Katie Porter and hate to see her go out this way.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
5. It's a shame. Backing the wrong populist anti-establishment horse with no future.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 05:13 AM
Mar 6

Should've tried to follow in the footsteps of Elizabeth Warren, who must also be "establishment" beholden to Big this and that according to the purity test.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
12. I don't think you noticed, but Warren doesn't attack her colleagues as corrupt sexists.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 09:13 AM
Mar 6

She actually gets things done, and when Warren has a plan it works, not populist promises.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
43. I never liked her and so Happy Adam Schiff WON!!
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:31 PM
Mar 6

Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer Wanted Schiff, too.. they know what's going on.

Boxer said she was going to stay out of it until Porter start attacking Schiff basically Without Merit.

https://thehill.com/homenews/4443492-former-sen-barbara-boxer-endorses-adam-schiff-in-senate-race/

“There’s been more than one attack by Katie Porter on Adam Schiff,” Boxer said. “The first one was during the debate, she accused him of taking dirty money. Adam is playing by the rules of the game. Katie Porter, if she doesn’t take PAC money, that’s fine. But don’t go after a fellow Democrat after you’ve taken his money in the past for your House race and say he’s taking dirty money.”

Another event that the former Senator said irked her occurred this week.

continued: more from Barbara Boxer

“And now saying that he’s against women when Adam Schiff has been, what we call as women in politics, Sir Galahad. He’s a Sir Galahad. That’s why Nancy Pelosi endorsed him. He’s a great guy and he’s been side by side with us every step of the way. So yes, this has pushed me over the line.”

Apparently Sen Boxer was going to stay out of until she saw all the Attacks on Schiff from Porter.

to Nixie in California who linked this post from Feb 19

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18700215

Good Luck to Adm Schiff!
and

Abolishinist

(1,320 posts)
50. I wasn't sure if it is acceptable on this forum to dislike a Dem,
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 03:21 AM
Mar 7

Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2024, 07:11 PM - Edit history (2)

but I'm with you. I tolerated her at first, but then totally changed my mind after attending a fundraiser for her.

On edit: to be clear, this was several years ago when she was running for her house seat. Also, I am not in her district.

After she spoke, I was able to have a one-on-one talk with her. In her speech she mentioned wanting to bring the federal minimum wage up to the level of California. I had a few issues with this that I put forward, was curious as to her take, but when I brought it up she told me in no uncertain terms that I was wrong, gave me this off-putting glare that I interpreted as being I'm a freakin' idiot, and turned away from me and started a conversation with someone else. THIS after we'd just given her a thousand dollars for her campaign. IMO she has ZERO skills when it comes to dealing with anyone.

As a fairly new house member should have stayed out of the race. Adam Schiff (who we also attended a fundraiser for, he was great!) has put in his time, and I'm so glad he's the nominee. I couldn't care less about Ms. Porter's future.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
69. Whoa... Not surprising but I'm
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 02:51 PM
Mar 7

so sorry that happened to you!

Nothing like being rude to potential Votes at one's Fundraiser.

The Best Person for California and America Definitely Won!

Oopsie Daisy

(2,728 posts)
73. Thanks for sharing that. That description of your interaction with her certainly comports with *
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:41 PM
Mar 7

* other things that I've seen and heard about, during her time in office. By all accounts, she was right where she needed to be and probably should have stayed-put.

The behavior you described was very off-putting. Zero skills, indeed... especially at a fundraiser's meet-and-greet where the attendees are paying-guests/supporters. The hostility and dismissive manner shown you was undeserved (it's not as if she was at some county fair and a rando/nut from the crowd started shouting bizarre and off-the-wall questions at her.)

There's a reason she lost. The voters were tired of (or simply tolerant of) her schtick and whiteboard gimmicks and they correctly decided that she was not the right person to send to the US Senate to represent California.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
79. In interviews Nina Turner often said "I'm right! I'm right!"
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:01 PM
Mar 7

Have similar goals but different ideas about policies? You're wrong. Not only are you wrong but the enemy. They're right, they're right, and everybody knows it, so if you have a different idea you're corrupt, immoral, evil. You have failed the purity test and in you go with the establishment, centrists, billionaires, oligarchs and all the other many enemies.

Dorian Gray

(13,515 posts)
60. I really liked her a lot too
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:54 AM
Mar 7

but this was a big ding against her. Sour grapes don't taste good to the people who supported Schiff, either.

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
62. Sour grapes
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 07:43 AM
Mar 7

Was my fist thought. If you can’t lose gracefully it is very revealing.

Schiffand Swalwell are the future of our party. I am proud of both of them. Gavin Newsome is another. We have a boatload of great candidates.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
42. Hmmm.. I seem to Remember Some other politician saying
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:23 PM
Mar 6

that about our Beautiful Establishment

Didn't work then either.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
100. Not "Good", she! Are Our Dem Eclections About
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 07:55 PM
Mar 7

Saving Our Democracy Or about someone's feelings after they lost Fair And Square?!

Actually this Attitude tells me who KP is.

Barbara Boxer Disagrees with Katie Porter..

Former Sen. Barbara Boxer endorses Adam Schiff in Senate race

https://thehill.com/homenews/4443492-former-sen-barbara-boxer-endorses-adam-schiff-in-senate-race/

“There’s been more than one attack by Katie Porter on Adam Schiff,” Boxer said. “The first one was during the debate, she accused him of taking dirty money. Adam is playing by the rules of the game. Katie Porter, if she doesn’t take PAC money, that’s fine. But don’t go after a fellow Democrat after you’ve taken his money in the past for your House race and say he’s taking dirty money.”

Another event that the former Senator said irked her occurred this week.

continued: more from Barbara Boxer

“And now saying that he’s against women when Adam Schiff has been, what we call as women in politics, Sir Galahad. He’s a Sir Galahad. That’s why Nancy Pelosi endorsed him. He’s a great guy and he’s been side by side with us every step of the way. So yes, this has pushed me over the line.”

Apparently Sen Boxer was going to stay out of until she saw all the Attacks on Schiff from Porter.

to Nixie in California who linked this post from Feb 19

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18700215

So Grateful Adam Schiff Won!



sheshe2

(83,989 posts)
101. I am thrilled that he won.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:08 PM
Mar 7

I stand with Boxer and Pelosi on this. I trust their judgement and I trust my own, he is the best one for this Senate seat.

TY

sheshe2

(83,989 posts)
107. I am looking forward to watching the SOTU.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:47 PM
Mar 7

Thanks for the heads up about his guest Teresa Romero...I need to read up on her history.

Cha

(297,911 posts)
108. You're Very Welcome.. I will
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 09:00 PM
Mar 7

Too when I get home 🏡.

I’ll be on DU. Getting the Scoop here like I always do.

Here’s to it going Smoothly for PJB and Not for the Howlers.

Enjoy 💙🌊🇺🇸🕯️🕊️

DFW

(54,467 posts)
46. I'm frankly surprised
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:38 PM
Mar 6

Had I been in her position, looking toward the future, I would have been looking to build bridges, not burn them.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
7. I am shocked she did not prepare a more generous concession speech
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 07:41 AM
Mar 6

Looking at the early numbers, she polled far behind Schiff and there were more Democrats splitting the Democratic leaning part of the electorate. Her internal numbers must have shown it likely that she would lose.

It is likely that the Schiff ads consolidated the Republicans behind Garvey, but as there were only two significant Republicans, she would have needed the Republicans to be almost equal for her to be close to the second highest vote getter as she is getting less that a third of the Democratic vote at this point. It looks like the D/R split is 60/40. (Even then she would need the total Republicans to be below 40 percent or her share to increase in the remaining half)

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
8. It's a tough loss and she's passionate about using government to make our lives better
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 08:10 AM
Mar 6

I understand her anger at Schiff. But everything he did was fair play. And it helps California avoid a giant "DvD" election that might be divisive among our coalition and a drain on our dollars.

I would've preferred her if I lived out there, but it's not like Adam Schiff in the Senate is going to be a bad thing. His voting differences with Porter are barely noticeable. And it's pretty damn unlikely that this is the last we'll hear from her.

karynnj

(59,507 posts)
10. I completely get that it was a tough loss, but think back to Hillary, Kerry, or Gore's concession
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 08:58 AM
Mar 6

Their losses were tougher than hers because their losses were to a Republican where there would be huge differences. They were also passionate about what they could have done and clearly devastated. They were gracious and emphasized respect for the voters and government.

I think she will seek to work through government, possibly appointed rather than elected. If not in government, than in one of the policy foundations.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
11. Agree
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 09:02 AM
Mar 6

Of course a lot of those think tanks are supported by those same big corporations that she sees sucker punching consumers in the wallet. She'll have an interesting trajectory in front of her.

Bucky

(54,087 posts)
13. Addendum: a personal experience
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 09:19 AM
Mar 6

I once did an activity at a "racial healing" workshop many years back. To give the participants insight into feeling "left out" the facilitators had us split into two groups. The insiders hold hands and formed a circle which weren't to let other people join. The outsiders were tasked with trying to join the circle by trying to hold the insiders' hands in that circle.

The body language of the insiders stiffened and went from holding hands to tightening in the circle to a smaller space, eventually pressing their elbows together to protect their hands from being touched by the outsiders. The outsiders got more frantic and desperate in their attempts to break into the circle.

Right now Katie's gotta be feeling that latter type of desperation. The Senate is that kind of club. Boxer taking Schiff's side seems like those insiders pressing elbows together and locking her out. When it's coming from Dems, it's gonna hurt more. Fighting to get in and coming that close: I know that feeling too well, but I haven't had her life experiences, haven't known the same betrayals that she's triumphed over in her past. It's the kind of experience that gives birth to wisdom. I'm cool with her showing a little bitterness. We need more pissed off people fighting for what's right in this democracy. I don't think she'll stay bitter. But she's not a "happy warrior" personality type cause she knows what's at stake if she doesn't go out and fight for the people she trying to protect.

Walleye

(31,111 posts)
29. I don't know, I'm kind of tired of pissed off people fighting. I'd like to see reasonable people thinking
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 11:02 AM
Mar 6

Demsrule86

(68,747 posts)
40. And he is a team player and did not endorse Nina Turner...who continues to attack our Party.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 01:42 PM
Mar 6

I live in Ohio so I was furious that Porter supported Nina Turner. I could not vote in California clearly, but if I could, I would have voted for Schiff...we need team players in the Senate.

Kid Berwyn

(15,018 posts)
14. Ms. Porter scares the rich and powerful.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 09:22 AM
Mar 6


Sounds like someone we need on our side.

-=========-

Andrea Junker wrote:

Wealth of Elon Musk
2012: $2,000,000,000
2024: $204,500,000,000

Wealth of Jeff Bezos
2012: $18,400,000,000
2024: $196,000,000,000

Wealth of Mark Zuckerberg
2012: $17,500,000,000
2024: $170,400,000,000

Federal Minimum Wage
2012: $7.25
2024: $7.25

Three words: tax the rich.

Kid Berwyn

(15,018 posts)
17. When money doesn't buy what it used to scares people with money.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:14 AM
Mar 6

It’s like inflation in Weimar Germany. Ms. Porter did not take PAC money, which is a beautiful thing for people who want to reduce the influence of wealthy people and organizations in politics. Scary situation, not being powerful anymore.

Renew Deal

(81,889 posts)
21. The better candidate won
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:26 AM
Mar 6

She could have had a pac and an extra billion dollars. It wouldn’t have made a difference. She didn’t lose because of policy differences or righteousness. Schiff won because he’s a solid Democrat with more experience. Prosecuting the impeachments also helped with name recognition.

womanofthehills

(8,796 posts)
71. schiff got millions from AIPAC according to Jewish Times of N Cal
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 03:27 PM
Mar 7

AIPAC is going after all our progressive candidates. AOC recently said they are coming for her. Ryan Grim reported they offered AOC millions but she declined.



“Schiff, who drew millions in AIPAC-affiliated money, hewed closely to President Joe Biden’s robust support of Israel in its war with Hamas, not using the term “ceasefire” until recently, when he said he endorsed Biden’s plan for a six-week pause in the fighting.

His top two Democratic rivals were tougher on Israel: Rep. Katie Porter called for a “bilateral” ceasefire contingent on the release of hostages still held by Hamas, but excoriated Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for hindering humanitarian assistance to Gaza Palestinians. Rep. Barbara Lee called for an immediate and permanent ceasefire with no preconditions.“. the Jewish News of Northern California. https://jweekly.com/2024/03/06/adam-schiff-with-aipac-backing-advances-to-senate-race/

Nixie

(17,000 posts)
118. Isn't their whole creed to come after incumbent Democrats
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 01:03 PM
Mar 8

who don't recite their pet phrases? They just don't like it when it happens to them. Maybe they just don't like politics because they can't seem to figure it all out:

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
22. "Scary," the-establishment-is-terrified business doesn't make any sense.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:33 AM
Mar 6

We're told that evil oligarchs, corporations and billionaires control and rig everything, the Democratic Party in cahoots, beholden to all the bad people and thoroughly corrupted but they pee in their pants if someone in Congress gives a speech about raising taxes or regulating business or something? Huh?

Kid Berwyn

(15,018 posts)
34. Money for a sense of security.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 11:21 AM
Mar 6

Here’s a good article that did not get discussed much by the pundits or Congress:

=====—=====


Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens

Published online by Cambridge University Press: 18 September 2014
Martin Gilens and Benjamin I. Page

Abstract

Each of four theoretical traditions in the study of American politics—which can be characterized as theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism, Majoritarian Pluralism and Biased Pluralism—offers different predictions about which sets of actors have how much influence over public policy: average citizens; economic elites; and organized interest groups, mass-based or business-oriented.

SNIP...

Who governs? Who really rules? To what extent is the broad body of U.S. citizens sovereign, semi-sovereign, or largely powerless? These questions have animated much important work in the study of American politics.

While this body of research is rich and variegated, it can loosely be divided into four families of theories: Majoritarian Electoral Democracy, Economic-Elite Domination, and two types of interest-group pluralism—Majoritarian Pluralism, in which the interests of all citizens are more or less equally represented, and Biased Pluralism, in which corporations, business associations, and professional groups predominate. Each of these perspectives makes different predictions about the independent influence upon U.S. policy making of four sets of actors: the Average Citizen or “median voter,” Economic Elites, and Mass-based or Business-oriented Interest Groups or industries.

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The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence. Our results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism.

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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

Nixie

(17,000 posts)
16. What a spectacular flame-out. You could see this coming a mile away, though.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:12 AM
Mar 6

And now her district looks to be going down to a Repub because two Democrats were fighting over who has the purest money. Katie's campaign was only about accusing others of being dirty, and California voters said they wanted more from a Senator than purity tests over money.

Katie also boosted a Republican. She boosted one Repub candidate that didn't have enough support to make the debate stage.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/02/min-weiss-ad-porter-seat-00139366

"The intraparty contest between two Democrats vying for Rep. Katie Porter’s toss-up Orange County seat is rapidly emerging as one of the most vicious primary battles in California.

The latest salvo: an ad from state Sen. Dave Min accusing his rival, Joanna Weiss, of powering her campaign with money earned through the legal defense of sex offenders. The attack comes a week after Weiss released an ad slamming Min for his DUI arrest last year."

baklava

(16 posts)
37. And now the US House of Representatives . . .
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 11:37 AM
Mar 6

is likely going to lose a Dem seat because of Porter's ego.

NanaCat

(1,390 posts)
110. More like
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 09:22 PM
Mar 7

It's not a surprise that a more experienced candidate, and one who isn't all that far off from her when it comes to policy, is more likely to appeal to voters.

That's just the way it is, and she needed to be more mature and gracious when that reality materialised for her.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,995 posts)
112. That's not what the person I responded to said.
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 12:32 AM
Mar 8

It was all about how her ego was big and made her run and ruined everything.

jalan48

(13,906 posts)
18. Sorry Katie, the billionaires and corporations don't feel you are sufficiently trustworthy to support their interests.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:16 AM
Mar 6

NanaCat

(1,390 posts)
111. Funny.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 09:32 PM
Mar 7

In my experience, the people who make this risible accusation tend to support loser candidates.

It's unkind and offensive to accuse other voters of being so very stupid that a corporation can affect their votes. Maybe that's the real reason the oh-so-pure candidates lose.

TakeItEasy

(25 posts)
19. I'm not going to join in on the brutal attacks against her.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:17 AM
Mar 6

Her political career is not over and she'll be back.

Happy Hoosier

(7,451 posts)
24. I hope so.... but wiser and more strategic.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:39 AM
Mar 6

She can be really great... but she needs to figure out how to see the forest for the trees.

Happy Hoosier

(7,451 posts)
20. My estimation of her has plummeted.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 10:19 AM
Mar 6

I had high hopes for her, but she blames everybody but herself, which is a HUGE tell for me.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
57. I've never seen that! Thanks.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:20 AM
Mar 7

I'm a little disappointed there hasn't been a "Thanks, Biden" like the "Thanks, Obama" meme.

DFW

(54,467 posts)
68. Thanks!
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 12:44 PM
Mar 7

It's ancient history now. I wrote it almost 20 years ago. I sent him the lyrics while he was recuperating from his bypass surgery, and he sent me a hand-written note of appreciation--which I could hardly decipher! His handwriting is atrocious.

DFW

(54,467 posts)
95. He, like Obama, is left-handed
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:46 PM
Mar 7

I guess he never had to learn to hand-write coherently. My friends and I literally took half an hour to try and figure out what he had written me!

shrike3

(3,843 posts)
106. I am not (left-handed)
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:36 PM
Mar 7

Kind of sucks, you've got a letter from a president and you can't read the darn thing.

Loved your song, btw. Almost nostalgic. Back when they could blame everything on Bill.

DFW

(54,467 posts)
109. That was one of two songs we did on that album with that theme
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 09:17 PM
Mar 7

This was the other:



This one is still as relevant as it was almost 20 years ago (and does our guy do great gospel or what?)

JohnSJ

(92,488 posts)
32. Really? You are playing the Nina Turner card Katie, and that is disgraceful. Not only that, you are implying that
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 11:07 AM
Mar 6

people here in California are stupid because they only voted for Schiff because of his donations.

Oopsie Daisy

(2,728 posts)
78. There was nothing subtle about it at all and that was more than simply "implying" *
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:53 PM
Mar 7

* and a skilled politician would have been able to be just ambiguous enough to leave room for plausible denial, or for non-cynical and kind listeners to eagerly give the benefit of the doubt. To these ears and eyes, there's no doubt what was meant.

It's my guess that the "Our Revolution" group/pac will need to come out with a new handbook/playbook.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
96. Ambiguous and passive-aggressive, like saying some people are saying the election was rigged or
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:49 PM
Mar 7

some people are saying a candidate is the lesser of two evils, etc. -- much safer.

republianmushroom

(13,785 posts)
38. Katie, maybe the people believe that Adam will make a better US Senator than you would.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 01:00 PM
Mar 6

It is possible. I vote for Adam. I believe he will be a much better Senator than you.

Crunchy Frog

(26,698 posts)
41. I'm very sorry that those two ended up in a race
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:11 PM
Mar 6

where they were pitted against each other. There was always going to be a major sense of loss whichever one won. They are both outstanding Democrats, and would both make outstanding senators.

I think it probably would have been best if Katie would have agreed to stay with her House seat for right now, but I definitely think they should have worked something out between them.

Really hate to lose Katie, and will be extra sorry if the seat goes to an R.

DemocratInPa

(361 posts)
47. Please don't tell me she is going to be one of these now..
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 04:59 PM
Mar 6

That sits there and just rips Dems..

Glad you loss now Katie..

W_HAMILTON

(7,878 posts)
48. This is not a good look. Don't go out this way, Katie.
Wed Mar 6, 2024, 06:06 PM
Mar 6

Presumably you would like to return to politics in the near future, so don't burn those bridges just because you lost a primary. It happens.

I'm not a billionaire and I'm not ""'the establishment,""" but I didn't like you attacking Schiff the way you did and I did not support you in the primary.

Instead of blaming everyone else for your failures, look within. Schiff was the better candidate, he ran the better campaign, and he actually spent time attacking his MAGA opponents rather than fellow Democrats.

SoFlaBro

(1,988 posts)
49. Sad to see her invoked the "rigged" rhetoric against fellow Democrats. That sounds like a certain Orange Shitstain.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 01:25 AM
Mar 7

awesomerwb1

(4,269 posts)
53. Awful "concession" speech
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:09 AM
Mar 7

I really liked at first, but then the little white boards began to give one hit wonder vibes . And then she went on to endorse Nina Turner. Nina friggin Turner. Wth?

And then saying the election was rigged, is just too much. Go Schiff, bye bye Katie.

SoFlaBro

(1,988 posts)
56. +1 Rec. She didn't have to take the fucking shit all the way to "rigged" election. That is Orange Fuckstain talk.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:14 AM
Mar 7

Retrograde

(10,173 posts)
87. She ran a lot of ads on local TV
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:02 PM
Mar 7

here in the Bay Area, all featuring the white board. I ff-ed through them since I had already sent in my ballot, but if I were undecided I don't think they'd sway me.

betsuni

(25,742 posts)
61. I'm puzzled. Voters were manipulated and mesmerized by ads? They have Stockholm syndrome or something?
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:24 AM
Mar 7

See one anti-Republican ad and instantly brainwashed: Must vote Schiff, establishment good, status quo good, Porter bad, must vote Schiff.



She had 28 million dollars.

bottomofthehill

(8,353 posts)
63. She got 13 percent of the vote
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 07:54 AM
Mar 7

Thirteen percent, did not win a single county….
She may be loved here, but she is not what 87 percent of the voters in California wanted.

tinrobot

(10,927 posts)
66. Thie juvenile statement further proves California made the right choice.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 10:37 AM
Mar 7

Schiff was on the impeachment team and J6 committee. Also chaired the Intelligence committee. Meanwhile, Porter was drawing on a whiteboard with colored markers.

For me, the choice was easy, I picked the candidate with the resume and gravitas needed to become a great Senator.

Nothing against Porter, but she's still got a ways to go. And, right now, she needs to grow up.

StarryNite

(9,464 posts)
85. What a poor loser she is.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 05:57 PM
Mar 7

I'm very disappointed in her after that. Before that I liked her although I feel Adam Schiff is better qualified.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
94. She's been in Congress 4 fucking measly years and she THREW away her seat at the table. I'm pretty annoyed at this
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 06:32 PM
Mar 7

since she is extremely effective. I do not like 2 strong Dems going head to head - when there is no got damn reason for it !!!!

It wastes money and can create bad blood.

spooky3

(34,510 posts)
103. IMHO, this is just sad. Schiff is wonderful and I'm glad he won. I thought
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:12 PM
Mar 7

Porter had done a lot of good. I hope she will find her way.

OAITW r.2.0

(24,723 posts)
104. 2 great candidates, only 1 could win.
Thu Mar 7, 2024, 08:16 PM
Mar 7

I wish Ms. Porter had read the tea leaves and decided not to challenge Adam. We needed her voice in the House.

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