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In It to Win It

(8,307 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:18 PM Feb 22

The Alabama Chief Justice Who Invoked God in Deciding Embryo Case

The Alabama Chief Justice Who Invoked God in Deciding Embryo Case





ATLANTA — In an Alabama Supreme Court decision that has rattled reproductive medicine across the country, a majority of the justices said the law was clear that frozen embryos should be considered children: “Unborn children are ‘children.’”

But the court’s chief justice, Tom Parker, drew on more than the Constitution and legal precedent to explain his determination.

“Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God,” he wrote in a concurring opinion that invoked the Book of Genesis and the prophet Jeremiah and quoted at length from the writings of 16th- and 17th-century theologians.

“Even before birth,” he added, “all human beings have the image of God, and their lives cannot be destroyed without effacing his glory.”

Just as the case, which centers on wrongful-death claims for frozen embryos that were destroyed in a mishap at a fertility clinic, has reverberated beyond Alabama, so has Parker’s opinion.

His theological digressions showed why he has long been revered by conservative legal groups and anti-abortion activists, and also why he has inspired apprehension among critics who regard him as guided more by religious doctrine than the law.

In a post on social media, Tony Perkins, the president of the conservative Family Research Council, described the opinion as a “beautiful defense of life and the Alabama Constitution.” But critics viewed it as dangerous and deviating from the U.S. Constitution. “Welcome to the theocracy,” wrote a columnist for The Washington Post.
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The Alabama Chief Justice Who Invoked God in Deciding Embryo Case (Original Post) In It to Win It Feb 22 OP
What century do this people live in? Irish_Dem Feb 22 #1
The 19th. limbicnuminousity Feb 22 #3
I think they are still in the civil war stage. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #18
19th B.C.E Roland99 Feb 22 #32
What millennium do these people live in? Hugin Feb 22 #9
Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed? Walleye Feb 22 #2
Bingo! MOMFUDSKI Feb 22 #6
Well, that guy wasn't innocent, you see. CrispyQ Feb 22 #7
Those are post-uterine children... Hugin Feb 22 #12
Bootie straps, I love it Walleye Feb 22 #15
Post-uterine children...I'm literally laughing out loud. CrispyQ Feb 22 #17
He was judged guilty by man, not by God Walleye Feb 22 #14
Where did this idiot come from? Mz Pip Feb 22 #4
Elected limbicnuminousity Feb 22 #13
3 former Republican Alabama Supreme Court justices supported his opponent in his election muriel_volestrangler Feb 23 #42
How to say you have never made it past Genesis... Hugin Feb 22 #5
But thoughts and prayers is all that's needed The Unmitigated Gall Feb 22 #8
*dangerous and deviating from the U.S. Constitution. elleng Feb 22 #10
The FRC thoroughly welcomes theocracy. Boomerproud Feb 22 #35
They are NOT embryos. The frozen items are Zygots. They do not become embryos until they Ninga Feb 22 #11
These fanatics are on the one hand stupid, & on the other hand they have rat-like cunning... Hekate Feb 22 #23
Apparently, for justice Parker, violent death from gun violence doesn't count dlk Feb 22 #16
Americans being mass murdered by military assault weapons is fine with the GOP. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #19
They are seriously twisted in their religious zealotry dlk Feb 22 #20
It is almost like a religious psychosis. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #21
It's definitely something abnormal dlk Feb 22 #22
I think it is a mixed bag of psychiatric diagnoses. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #26
Yes, there's no one-size-fits-all in describing Republican pathology dlk Feb 22 #34
Oh yes it is psychopathology. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #36
15-week bans, no AR-15 bans. sop Feb 22 #27
They can control our sex lives, but cannot control the mass murders. Irish_Dem Feb 22 #28
If there was a god he would be dead. LiberalFighter Feb 22 #24
Want to know how to tell if an embryo is a child? A HERETIC I AM Feb 22 #25
Seven Mountain Mandate- this idiot is pushing an extreme religious nut case theory LetMyPeopleVote Feb 22 #29
You like invoking God, "Chief Justice" Parker? Paladin Feb 22 #30
If God's wrath is invoked, then we don't have to do anything, right? Qutzupalotl Feb 22 #31
Remember, this is the state that kept electing Roy Moore VMA131Marine Feb 22 #33
Actually, the repubs here kept electing him ... Whiskeytide Feb 22 #37
Fuck Tom Parker. SamKnause Feb 22 #38
Unborn children are children? moondust Feb 23 #39
Why isn't he naked? dickthegrouch Feb 23 #40
The Blowback BACKFIRE Has Already Begun! Cha Feb 23 #41

Walleye

(31,147 posts)
2. Human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed?
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:21 PM
Feb 22

The word wrongfully is doing a lot of work here. Isn’t Alabama the state that just tortured a guy to death by suffocating him with nitrogen?

CrispyQ

(36,557 posts)
7. Well, that guy wasn't innocent, you see.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:23 PM
Feb 22

Not sure what excuse they use for letting kids get gunned down in school, though.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
13. Elected
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:26 PM
Feb 22

The Supreme Court of Alabama is the highest court in the state of Alabama. The court consists of a chief justice and eight associate justices. Each justice is elected in partisan elections for staggered six-year terms. The Supreme Court is housed in the Heflin-Torbert Judicial Building in downtown Montgomery, Alabama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_Alabama

They did it to themselves.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,412 posts)
42. 3 former Republican Alabama Supreme Court justices supported his opponent in his election
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 05:03 AM
Feb 23
He’s more Roy Moore than Roy Moore. Parker is an activist judge who made his name campaigning against activist judges. Judges who disagree with his view, as Parker put it, should be considered terrorists like al Qaeda.

Which is the real joke because he’s running against Judge Bob Vance, the most boring and judicious and cautious and serious sort of judge you can find, a judge backed by six former supreme court justices – three Democrats and three Republicans. They wrote a letter saying Vance has the “judicial temperament and the legal acumen required to decide cases on their merit. He knows that politics has no place in legal decisions.”

Meaning Parker lacks those things. So…
...
Former Alabama Supreme Court Justice Tom Woodall – a Republican – and former Chief Justice Drayton Nabors – a Republican – donated to Vance’s campaign.

Woodall in the past made it clear that his problem with Parker is not ideology or any of the things the guy’s criticized nationally for. He’s just bad at his job.

https://www.al.com/news/2018/10/if-you-vote-for-tom-parker-alabama-the-jokes-on-you.html

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,838 posts)
8. But thoughts and prayers is all that's needed
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:24 PM
Feb 22

For actual children blown to pieces in classrooms.

For children hungry and neglected, languishing in foster care.

For children brutalized and trafficked.

Christofascist trash.

Ninga

(8,282 posts)
11. They are NOT embryos. The frozen items are Zygots. They do not become embryos until they
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:26 PM
Feb 22

are implanted in an uterus.

Hekate

(91,005 posts)
23. These fanatics are on the one hand stupid, & on the other hand they have rat-like cunning...
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:45 PM
Feb 22

Over the past 50 years I have watched them change the meanings of words, and have watched as news media has accepted this. The fanatics won by sheer persistence.

All the best contraceptives got redefined by the fanatics as being abortifacients. Dubya Bush gave them an incalculable gift by insisting on the so-called “conscience clause” to enable anyone anywhere the right to refuse to fill a prescription they thought was immoral.

Finally, in the aftermath of Dobbs, it became very clear that procedures that saved the life of my own mother in the post-WW II era were being redefined as “abortions. “ Today, In half the states in this benighted nation she would be allowed to bleed out or go septic from her miscarriages.

Language, as Joseph Goebbels and Newt Gingrich both understood, is the key to control.

dlk

(11,600 posts)
16. Apparently, for justice Parker, violent death from gun violence doesn't count
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:27 PM
Feb 22

He even looks like a wingnut zealot. Republicans have forgotten, our country was founded on freedom from religion.

Irish_Dem

(47,846 posts)
19. Americans being mass murdered by military assault weapons is fine with the GOP.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:33 PM
Feb 22

In fact the GOP seems to relish it.

dlk

(11,600 posts)
20. They are seriously twisted in their religious zealotry
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:36 PM
Feb 22

This is a unique pathology that deserves a name.

Irish_Dem

(47,846 posts)
21. It is almost like a religious psychosis.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:38 PM
Feb 22

It is so irrational and nonsensical. They sound delusional.

Irish_Dem

(47,846 posts)
26. I think it is a mixed bag of psychiatric diagnoses.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:51 PM
Feb 22

There are people who I think are psychotic.
And having actual psychotic delusions.

Then there are people who are sociopaths, criminal types who know it is all baloney
but use the religious nonsense as a control and punishment tool. They enjoy torturing women
and putting them in their place.

Then there are narcissists who love the attention. So they spout all kinds of ridiculous stuff
to get that attention.

dlk

(11,600 posts)
34. Yes, there's no one-size-fits-all in describing Republican pathology
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 04:56 PM
Feb 22

It’s pathological, whatever the diagnosis.

Irish_Dem

(47,846 posts)
36. Oh yes it is psychopathology.
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 05:07 PM
Feb 22

I think there are some unifying themes no matter the particular diagnosis.

Control, power, cruelty.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,382 posts)
25. Want to know how to tell if an embryo is a child?
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:50 PM
Feb 22

Freeze a child solid then try and bring it back to life.

Hint; you can do that to an embryo.

One of these things is not like the other.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,839 posts)
29. Seven Mountain Mandate- this idiot is pushing an extreme religious nut case theory
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 03:59 PM
Feb 22

The “Seven Mountain Mandate,” which calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life. The Seven Mountains Mandate is extreme RWNJ/religious bigot type theory that is scary. This idiot judge is a true RWNJ/QANON supporter.





https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/alabama-supreme-court-chief-justice-spreads-christian-nationalist-rhetoric

During a recent interview on the program of self-proclaimed “prophet” and QAnon conspiracy theorist Johnny Enlow, Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Tom Parker indicated that he is a proponent of the “Seven Mountain Mandate,” a theological approach that calls on Christians to impose fundamentalist values on all aspects of American life.

Enlow is a pro-Trump “prophet” and leading proponent of the “Seven Mountain Mandate,” a “quasi-biblical blueprint for theocracy” that asserts that Christians must impose fundamentalist values on American society by conquering the “seven mountains” of cultural influence in U.S. life: government, education, media, religion, family, business, and entertainment.

Enlow has also repeatedly pushed the QAnon conspiracy theory, sometimes even connecting it to the Seven Mountain Mandate. Per Right Wing Watch, Enlow has claimed that world leaders are “satanic” pedophiles who “steal blood” and “do sacrifices” and that “there is presently no real democracy on the planet” because over 90 percent of world leaders are involved in pedophilia and are being blackmailed.

On February 16, the Alabama Supreme Court ruled that frozen embryos are people, with the same rights as living children, and that a person can be held liable for destroying them, imperiling in vitro fertilization treatment in the state. In a concurring opinion, Parker quoted the Bible, suggested that Alabama had adopted a “theologically based view of the sanctity of life,” and said that “human life cannot be wrongfully destroyed without incurring the wrath of a holy God.”.....

Parker’s ties to extreme right-wing Christian and “prophetic” media figures extends beyond the interview with Enlow.

Last year, Christian nationalist media figure Sean Feucht said Parker had invited him into the court’s chambers for a worship session. Parker also joined a prayer call in March 2023 with supposed prophets and apostles, and he prayed that “there will be a growing hunger in the judges of Alabama, and around the nation for more of God. And that they will be receptive to his moves toward restoration of the judges, so that they can play their forecast role in revival in this nation.”

Paladin

(28,283 posts)
30. You like invoking God, "Chief Justice" Parker?
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 04:01 PM
Feb 22

Back at ya: This issue, and your court's opinion, are GIFTS FROM GOD...to Democrats.

Thanks for the horrendous fuck-up. Pax vobiscum.

Qutzupalotl

(14,340 posts)
31. If God's wrath is invoked, then we don't have to do anything, right?
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 04:13 PM
Feb 22

God will punish the evildoers. Or doesn't he have faith?

VMA131Marine

(4,159 posts)
33. Remember, this is the state that kept electing Roy Moore
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 22

as it’s chief justice despite a predilection for young girls that got him banned from a local mall or, at least, made him not welcome there.

Whiskeytide

(4,463 posts)
37. Actually, the repubs here kept electing him ...
Thu Feb 22, 2024, 07:16 PM
Feb 22

… even though he was a religious zealot who kept sneaking 6,000 lb replicas of the 10 Commandments into court houses.

The laying of hands upon minor girls was what finally got Romantic Roy kicked to the curb in favor of (D) Doug Jones in the special election for Jeff Sessions’ seat when ol’ Jeff destroyed his political career by letting Тяцмp touch him.

So this is perfectly consistent with repub political history in Alabama.

moondust

(20,025 posts)
39. Unborn children are children?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 12:34 AM
Feb 23

Ask the "chief justice" what kind of wrath his holy God should incur for stillbirths.

dickthegrouch

(3,188 posts)
40. Why isn't he naked?
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:07 AM
Feb 23

Not that I have any desire to see him that way. But original sin was discovered by the clothing of nakedness. Shouldn’t we all be naked to be as pure and devout as possible?

Cha

(298,021 posts)
41. The Blowback BACKFIRE Has Already Begun!
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 01:32 AM
Feb 23
This Parker is right out of central cassting what a Fake Christian judge should look like Pushing his god o Everyone Else.
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