Trump Allies Embrace 'Christian Nationalism'

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Trump Allies Embrace ‘Christian Nationalism’

February 20, 2024 at 6:35 am EST By Taegan Goddard 29 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2024/02/20/trump-allies-embrace-christian-nationalism/

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“An influential think tank close to Donald Trump is developing plans to infuse Christian nationalist ideas in his administration should the former president return to power,“ Politico reports.

“Spearheading the effort is Russell Vought, who served as Trump’s director of the Office of Management and Budget during his first term and has remained close to him.“

“Christian nationalists in America believe that the country was founded as a Christian nation and that Christian values should be prioritized throughout government and public life. As the country has become less religious and more diverse, Vought has embraced the idea that Christians are under assault and has spoken of policies he might pursue in response.”

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Applegrove:

DeSantis and "being anti-woke" failed as did moms for liberty so being anti lgbtq will now be cloaked in Christian Nationalism I bet. I guess they think Christian nationalists is not a movements that can fail.

[Walleye]

1. I wish they would apply actual Christian values instead of the ones they've made up

[applegrove]

2. Yup. Christian nationalists in Texas are against gun control.

But they are putting the ten commandments in every class. Isn't there something in the 10 that talks about 'though shall not kill'?

[Walleye]

4. How about explaining what a graven image is. I've never gotten an answer to that one

[Old Crank]

6. Wouldn't worshiping Trump

Be worshipping a craven image?

[Walleye]

11. Perfect!

[niyad]

13. "graven images" was meant to attack the various symbols, statues, amulets,

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drawings, etc., of the Goddess religions as the abrahamic ones invaded and conquered those peoples. Every story about things like the golden calf, the snake, the trees, etc., refers to attacking and destroying the Goddesses and their people. "When God Was A Woman" by Merlin Stone, is one book that covers this.

[Walleye]

14. That's pretty interesting, I'll have to look that one up

I’ve been a photographer all my life and I always thought that the graven image thing was attacking my profession

[niyad]

21. Well, the prohibition existed long before photography, but I would imagine

it would mean that as well.

[Walleye]

26. I lived near the Amish people, and they were against photography on the grounds of that commandment. Never understood it

[ancianita]

20. You might like Neal Stephenson's

Snow Crash, that explains at length the Sumerians and their descendants' attempts to eliminate the 'virus' of Asherah that exists today in all of us.

He explains how the deuteronomists lived in a time of extreme nationalism and xenophobia, when they formalized their old stories into the Torah to prevent the spread of Asherah, which later infected the pharisees who imposed a rigid legalistic theocracy on the Hebrews -- priestly types vested with civil authority.

I studied those history parts because otherwise, the plot was only surface fighting between "metaverse" (a simulated world) and the real world.

Anyway, I highly recommend the novel.

[niyad]

22. Thank you. I will add this to my reading list.

[Walleye]

25. Thank you. I always learn interesting facts on DU

[ancianita]

28. As an old lit teacher, I hold to Camus' idea that "Fiction is the lie through which we tell the truth."

Neal Stephenson is among the top five fiction writers of our time.

[limbicnuminousity]

33. Consistently good.

Zodiac and Diamond Age remain timely.

[ancianita]

34. Yes.

Have you read SevenEves? Amazing stuff to learn about surviving in space, and scary to see how it spans 10,000 years.

[limbicnuminousity]

37. Have not, thank you for the suggestion. :)

Will put that on the list, Stephenson has yet to disappoint. In the spirit of sharing, Nancy Kress' Beggars in Spain might hold your interest (similar themes, different story-telling style)?

[ancianita]

39. And thank you for yours.

[rubbersole]

19. Someone wearing TSF's gold tennies is pretty graven to me.

[no_hypocrisy]

3. Goodbye Establishment Clause (First Amendment)

[Lonestarblue]

5. The Supreme Court already neutered it in several cases.

If you’re a right-wing evangelical, you can use your personal religious beliefs to have a corporation deny its employees the right to have their health insurance cover the cost of birth control (Hobby Lobby). Using the excuse of maybe someday starting a web business and maybe somehow getting asked by a gay couple to create a site for them gives you the right to discriminate against a protected class of citizens based on your religion. Same with baking a cake.

If you’re a white evangelical, you can start a Christian school to indoctrinate kids and have taxpayers pay for it. If you already have a religious school, you can refuse to hire LGBTQ+ teachers, refuse to admit LGBTQ+ students, and refuse to admit students with same-sex parents without fear of violating discrimination laws and getting taxpayer money to do so.

And the big one, if you’re a white Republican legislator, you get to enact your religious beliefs into law to make the reproductive medical decisions for all the women of reproductive age in your state. Soon, those same legislators will determine even more medical treatment by outlawing all firms of birth control.

These court decisions are all egregious violations of the separation of church and state intended in the First Amendment. We are already living under Christian Nationalism in red states.

[ancianita]

12. What you said here...

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And the big one, if you’re a white Republican legislator, you get to enact your religious beliefs into law to make the reproductive medical decisions for all the women of reproductive age in your state.

is not what christian nationalism does.

For the record: Christian nationalists are neither Christian nor nationalists.

Because they don't read the Word. They have what they CALL religious beliefs, but their beliefs are not at all biblical. Those are patriarchal and political beliefs of the unread oligarchs who pay them to dominate 51% of the population through the perversion of constitutional law.

What their Bible says -- that they don't read -- is actually the opposite of what christian nationalists believe as religious beliefs. So even the bible proves them to be stupid liars.

They are power worshippers, don't know their own religions, or that the Bible clearly states that power only resides with their God, not man, as the historical Jesus first reviewed for the religionists of his day.

They don't even read their own legislation or know how government is supposed to work. Proven by the fact that they haven't read how the Bible lays that all out in Deuteronomy, the last book of the Torah, which makes up the first five books of the Bible. Those books were written around 3,500 years ago. Anyone who thinks we have good laws should give the Bible some credit for laying the foundations of what is modern common law and international law.

[RKP5637]

7. So much of religion is gross, evil and the maker of wars and hostilities. A truly civilized

society would have gone past religion and all of the lies, distortions, propaganda and evilness.

[twodogsbarking]

8. It's happening right before our eyes. Don't doubt it.

[jmbar2]

9. I posted this earlier...

Bill Moyers' 1988 interview with Rush Muldoony who explains who-all deserves the death penalty in a Christian Nationalist world.... chilling

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218326902

[themaguffin]

10. They aren't Christian.

[ancianita]

15. "Being anti-woke" is being racist, anti-Bible and anti-Christian. DeSantis is like the rest -- making shit up,

not knowing what he's talking about. I've always maintained that he's part of the racist christian nationalist coalition who know exactly that he's referring to Black people and BLM.

So he does know what he's talking about even if media don't. And he knew that, too, which is why he spread his evil perversion in the first place -- because he knew media wouldn't get it. Now it's left to the honest to clean up his lies about 'woke' and Florida where he says "woke comes to die."

Moreover, the biblical version of "woke," which has been used by Black people for over 100 years, is all over the old and new testaments.

By the mid-20th century, woke had come to mean 'well-informed' or 'aware',[13] especially in a political or cultural sense.[8] The Oxford English Dictionary traces the earliest such usage to a 1962 New York Times Magazine article titled "If You're Woke You Dig It" by African-American novelist William Melvin Kelley, describing the appropriation of black slang by white beatniks.[8]

Woke had gained more political connotations by 1971 when the play Garvey Lives! by Barry Beckham included the line: "I been sleeping all my life. And now that Mr. Garvey done woke me up, I'm gon' stay woke. And I'm gon help him wake up other black folk."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

[Farmer-Rick]

16. They are using religion to hide White Supremacy

White supremacist have always been cowards and hide in the dungeons when they don't have a white rich idiot as a savior. Now they are hiding behind religion and Christians are letting them.

Christian Natuonalism is really White Nationalism. It's not about Jesus it's about White Men.....Just ask any Nazi.

[ancianita]

17. Not all Christians are letting them, because Christianity is not a monolith.

In response to your statement

Now they are hiding behind religion and Christians are letting them.

The non-evangelical vote helped put Catholic Christian Biden over the top in 2020, and will be even bigger in 2024. He'll probably even get more than 13% of the evangelical vote.

[Farmer-Rick]

29. Wow look at that chart

Biden got the majority of the religiously unaffiliated vote or as I call them the "Nones". They write none when asked what religion they are.

Of course the stinking Nazi got the majority of white evangelicals. No surprise there.

Interesting chart. Thanks for posting.

[ancianita]

30. Cool, I hadn't noticed that -- and it's from last year, no less

Happy to find anything that keeps our political perspective as fact based as possible.

[twodogsbarking]

18. I run from bible bangers. I have seen them in action.

[John Shaft]

23. Beyond sick of this fucking shit

[Martin68]

24. Christian Nationalism is about as anti-Constitutional as you can get.

I don’t think the Trumpists on the court would agree.

[Oneironaut]

27. Their Christian values:

- Always bilk as many people as you can out of their money, and, funnel money from the poor to the billionaire class.
- Kill all LGBTQ+ people
- Kill all minorities
- Brag as much as you can about how much money you’ve stolen from other people and shove it on their faces how superior a person that makes you. The more money you have, and , the more pointless material possessions you have, the more God loves you, obviously.
- Throw as many people as you can in prison for minor offenses, and, make sure their stay there is as dehumanizing and horrific as possible.
- Worship one man and call him things like, “The God Emperor.” Also, proclaim him as a Demi-God.
- Laugh at homeless people and then kill them. Just like Jesus wanted.
- Kill women and force them to die if they have sex, all while being so obsessed with sex that it consumes every moment and thought of your life.
- “Jesus wasn’t a communist, but, everything Jesus taught just happens to be Marxist ideology!”

[Grins]

31. Russell Vought. that bastard again

Vought is founder and head of Citizens for Renewing America, a MAGA group delivering Reich-wing bile to the bottom-feeders that make up "the base. And by "founded," I mean less than one week after Joe Biden was inaugurated.

How Reich-wing shitty is Citizens for Renewing America?

Verminous cockscab, Ken Cuccinelli, who once compared immigrants to rats, is a Senior Fellow at the Center for Renewing America.

And they are right in their conspiracy with Reich-wing diploma mill, Hillsdale College, intellectual whorehouse, The Heritage Foundation, and the Proud Boys' women's auxiliary, "Moms for Liberty™", in plans for destabilizing schools

Before Trump, Vought was the vice president of - Heritage Action for America!

And prior to that he was the policy director for the House Republican Conference under then-Rep. Mike Pence.

Eff that guy!

[Permanut]

32. The next step would be to change the name of the Republican Party.

How about:

National Socialist American Workers Party.

[limbicnuminousity]

35. They're not religious

They're anti-intellectual, reality-denying, plague-carrying authoritarian cult members. Quarantine would be appropriate.

[Upthevibe]

36. This documentary is now out: God and Country (Rob Reiner)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-documentary-god-and-country-rob-reiner-shines-a-light-on-christian-nationalism/

It's in very limited release at theatres. It can also be rented on Vudu on Roku.

[Gore1FL]

38. It annoys Xian Nationalists when you point out...

...they are pouncing on the deal Jesus rejected from Satan in the desert.

[czarjak]

40. Conflating Nazis with Klansmen?

Nazis hate Jews then Blacks. The KKK hates Blacks, then Jews, then Catholics. Who ya gonna kill first, rubes? All of 'em, huh?