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senseandsensibility

(17,246 posts)
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:42 PM Feb 2024

Neal Katyal was not kind to the CO lawyers in his analysis

He pointed out that they failed to make the case for what the risk to leaving cheato on the ballot would be, and that they did not remind the justices of their former adherence to "textualism". He and most of us can see where this is going.

Now....on to the immunity case! The clock's ticking!

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Neal Katyal was not kind to the CO lawyers in his analysis (Original Post) senseandsensibility Feb 2024 OP
Not the state of Colorado's lawyer, but the CO LITIGANTs' lawyer--they should have hired Katyal. hlthe2b Feb 2024 #1
Those arguments would not have mattered since Roberts pushed the case to being one that states cannot decide it. LonePirate Feb 2024 #2
Yeah, I don't buy this argument Sympthsical Feb 2024 #4
Disappointing. But this case was already decided. nt SunSeeker Feb 2024 #3
If the states cannot decide it ,,, Jarqui Feb 2024 #5
Neal was kind C_U_L8R Feb 2024 #6
Katyal immediately jumped to blame the Colorado attorney bigtree Feb 2024 #7
Colorado's attorney did not do a good job LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2024 #8

hlthe2b

(102,572 posts)
1. Not the state of Colorado's lawyer, but the CO LITIGANTs' lawyer--they should have hired Katyal.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 01:45 PM
Feb 2024

Very foolish to hire someone with no experience before SCOTUS. The lawyer FOR the CO SOS was better, but her role was quite different.

LonePirate

(13,446 posts)
2. Those arguments would not have mattered since Roberts pushed the case to being one that states cannot decide it.
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:00 PM
Feb 2024

The justices this morning came down heavily on the side that states cannot decide when a candidate is an insurrectionist and can be removed from a ballot. They seemingly want Congress to make that determination which will never happen in any era of divided government.

The Colorado lawyers could have argued all day about textualism or TFG’s threat to the country and it would not have swayed a single justice.

Sympthsical

(9,195 posts)
4. Yeah, I don't buy this argument
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:19 PM
Feb 2024

Fundamentally it comes down to, "Why didn't they call Trump an insurrectionist even harder?"

This is the Supreme Court, not a cable news panel. The justices were interested in constitutional procedures, mechanisms, and jurisdiction. One of the justices, I think Alito, asked more or less "Do you want us to hold what is functionally a criminal trial every time this comes up?" Which isn't this Court's job.

Katyal's been spending a little too much time on cable news and Twitter, imo. He's playing to what works with his audience, not to what would've worked on the Justices.

Jarqui

(10,131 posts)
5. If the states cannot decide it ,,,
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:23 PM
Feb 2024

doesn't that leave the door ajar for someone to press for a federal decision?

C_U_L8R

(45,042 posts)
6. Neal was kind
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:26 PM
Feb 2024

The Colorado team was dedicated but could have brought more expert talent to clearly win their case. Of course, the justices jump at any hesitation and they did. In the heat of it, some can turn that situation into winning argument, and others not so much. I fear we're gonna be stuck with a lousy, but maybe deserved, ruling.

bigtree

(86,023 posts)
7. Katyal immediately jumped to blame the Colorado attorney
Thu Feb 8, 2024, 02:56 PM
Feb 2024

...for not overcoming the strident defenses of the Trump position by SC justices, as if his own expertise could magically make the Trump appointees and ilk amenable to something more than protecting their benefactor and ally.

Always disappointing to see experienced professionals reflexively blame the people working to hold the miscreants accountable, instead of the actual offenders.

I find Katyal politically inept and often tone-deaf. That doesn't stop him from blending his opining on political implications of law with denigration of figures like the SC, the AG, and even the president to make his cynical points.

Still smh over his 'freak out' on tv a day before the appeals court ruled against Trump which had so many gaslighting ripples that saw DU and other folks waiting for justice wringing hands over the slight delay in ruling.

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