FM Cameron says UK considering recognizing Palestinian state.

[pecosbob]

Britain is ready to bring forward the moment when it formally recognises a Palestinian state, the foreign secretary has suggested.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-68137220

This is new...

[tritsofme]

1. Cameron is foreign secretary, not PM these days.

[pecosbob]

2. My bad...will edit.

[Happy Hoosier]

3. I wonder what the scope of that would be?

I think if some heavy-hitters were prepared to recognize a Palestinian State, it would change the calculus pretty powerfully. But it would have to be done carefully. No suh declaration could include recognition of Hamas as a legitimate authority, for example.

And those advancing this approach would have to be united to pressuring Israel to accept it.

[pecosbob]

4. Texas Towelie posted this video from Beau of the Fifth Column.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132210861

It seems that this move would allow the U.S. to avoid being the heavy.

[LeftInTX]

10. Don't have time to watch. Did you forget to finish your sentence? "avoid being the heavy"???

"being the heavy" what??? Thx......

US still has veto power at the UN Security Council.

I don't see this becoming a serious issue in the near future and probably won't be for months or even a few years.

If Trump becomes president, all bets are off.

Biden's admin can abstain, allowing a resolution to pass.

[pecosbob]

12. 'Being the heavy' as in being seen to lead an attempt to force/coerce Netanyahu to accept a two-state solution.

It might cause a lot of problems at home and abroad.

[Lonestarblue]

5. Agree that Hamas can have no role in a future state, but the idea of recognizing Palestine is great.

I truly believe that Israel will have no peace until they recognize that Palestinians have rights. No Israeli government has done so, which means that change will need to come from outside pressure.

And how fitting that the UK finally recognize Palestine wince their government basically declared two states in 1948 but dis nothing to protect the Palestinians already in the land they gave to Israel. If Palestinians are able to have their own state, they will see a future that they will not want to risk with more stupid violence.

[Happy Hoosier]

8. I agree that a sovereign Palestinian State is necessary.

People like Nutandyahoo benefit from a forever war in that area. It has to stop.

But I think your view is leaving out some key details.... I suggest checking out the history of that era more completely... including the entire period of the Mandate.

I mean, do a lot of people forget that the Arab forces in this conflict liternally hired some ex-Nazi officers to lead their efforts against the Israelis? I think these Israelis quite rightly feared for their very existence.

[LeftInTX]

11. I think if Palestine is a state Hamas/terrorism will significantly decrease

Palestine will need to focus on statehood and autonomy.

Kinda like when you kick out your 40 year old kid out of the basement and say, "It's time to grow up"

I wish Israel could see this.
But Israel isn't me and I don't live there, so there's that....So, it's just my opinion...

[The Magistrate]

13. This Really Is A Bit Wince-Worthy, Sir

England was granted by the League of Nations, in 1922, a Mandate to administer 'Palestine' for 25 years.

Once that expired, in 1947, England had no authority whatever there.

England did not give land to the Zionists, the United Nations did, as a means of liquidating its responsibilities inherited from the defunct League on expiration of England's mandate. The United Nations split the land in two, with Jerusalem given to neither, but retained as 'international city'.

England could not have 'protected the Palestinians' save by joining in with the war commenced against the 'zionist entity' by neighboring Arab powers. England did vote in the UN against the partition, and a rousing argument can be raised over whether, in their last days of authority, England favored Jews or Arabs in disposing of arms and facilities. It is worth noting that the only Arab force to accomplish much in the fighting, Trans-Jordan's Arab Legion, was led by an English officer, known to history as Glubb Pasha, who had led the force during WWII in combat under English auspices, and remained in command of it into the mid-fifties, being cashiered finally as more loyal to England than the King.

Peace depends on Arab Palestinian leadership giving up on the idea that killing Jews is going to get grandpa's farm back. Every episode of violence by the 'hard men' of Arab Palestine has ended with the people of Palestine in more straitened circumstances, and with prospects more dim, than they had before. People are expected to learn, and when they refuse to, there will be problems. Whatever view one has of the utility or propriety of violence in general, the record establishes violence is not the royal road to success for the people of Arab Palestine.

[WarGamer]

6. Geography?

GAZA plus West Bank with a connecting corridor?

[Happy Hoosier]

9. Possibly...

though the corridor would likely remain under Israeli control, I think.

[Mountainguy]

7. Deals with Hamas

Are as good as deals with Hitler. Brits remember how that worked out?

Recognizing Palestine means recognizing Hamas, no way to separate the two and it be anything other than a farce.