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My question remains: How did that scumbag get away with it for decades? (Original Post) BSdetect Jan 2024 OP
It is a way of life for so many. cachukis Jan 2024 #1
Look at Madoff, Epstein etc the illusion of riches attracts. OnDoutside Jan 2024 #2
Lifestyles of the rich and famous.... democrank Jan 2024 #3
Actually, he came from the wrong side of the tracks (Queens) Ocelot II Jan 2024 #5
And he would probably... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #18
New York High society for many decades was run by the Vanderbilts, JP Morgan, the Astors, and more. ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2024 #19
That's it in a nutshell. ificandream Jan 2024 #6
Like Trump said democrank Jan 2024 #7
The commercial real estate business in NYC (and probably elsewhere) Ocelot II Jan 2024 #4
I don't doubt that is true but... llmart Jan 2024 #21
Not sure we will learn the "HOW" he got away with frauding asiliveandbreathe Jan 2024 #8
"Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." barbaraann Jan 2024 #9
And Martha Stewart was imprisoned for far, far less. Sky Jewels Jan 2024 #10
And she donated to DEMs Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #13
That world is still full of guys getting away with it... lame54 Jan 2024 #11
Cost of conviction? moondust Jan 2024 #12
There are STILL people arguing.... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #14
Bullies are everywhere. People live in fear of cbabe Jan 2024 #15
Way of life in NY. They just accept aggressive MOMFUDSKI Jan 2024 #16
Err...Excuse me? There's plenty of NYC'rs who are at times assertive when needs be but -not- in general aggressive... electric_blue68 Jan 2024 #25
Thank You, Conjuay Jan 2024 #27
Your welcome 👍 electric_blue68 Jan 2024 #28
Rich/White/Male Irish_Dem Jan 2024 #17
Consider that Rudy was a US Attorney. And probably had close ties even back then. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #20
Roy Cohn put Trump's sister on the bench. kskiska Jan 2024 #24
Bigger question for me. Why do people keep defending him? progressoid Jan 2024 #22
they were all getting a piece of the pie. IcyPeas Jan 2024 #23
"I robbed a bank and made tons of money on the money louis-t Jan 2024 #26
It's called PRIVILEGE. B.See Jan 2024 #29
The level of corruption goes up.... Xolodno Jan 2024 #30
Looking into "this failure" means looking through our entire legal system from top to bottom Silent3 Jan 2024 #31

democrank

(11,112 posts)
3. Lifestyles of the rich and famous....
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 12:40 PM
Jan 2024

Trump came from the right side of the tracks. That makes a big, big difference

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
5. Actually, he came from the wrong side of the tracks (Queens)
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jan 2024

but he used his father's money and slummy housing projects to make more money and try to buy his way into NYC high society. He never quite made it, since that crowd recognized him as a climber and a parvenu, but he had enough money that he could at least try to be one of them. What mattered is that he had enough money and therefore enough pull with city officials (and probable mob connections) that he could do pretty much whatever he wanted.

2naSalit

(86,824 posts)
18. And he would probably...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 02:09 PM
Jan 2024

Been fine with that if the pootin connection was never made.

I still think former (whatever his title was) Cyrus Vance was protecting him or someone in that environment was.

And that was somehow a set up made by his dad, no doubt.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,808 posts)
19. New York High society for many decades was run by the Vanderbilts, JP Morgan, the Astors, and more.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 02:18 PM
Jan 2024

Old Money ruled the day. Not everyone could buy their way in.

How that is today, I am sure much remains in place. High standing in the social graces, heritage, and wealth. Dipshit has neither.

ificandream

(9,399 posts)
6. That's it in a nutshell.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 12:47 PM
Jan 2024

Money made the difference. Notice how Trump got away with all the childish tactics during the trial? As many have said, you or I would never have gotten away with that. We'd have been in jail for what he did. He certainly should have been in jail.

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
4. The commercial real estate business in NYC (and probably elsewhere)
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 12:41 PM
Jan 2024

has been notoriously dodgy for decades; major building projects often had mob involvement. Big real estate deals are also great vehicles for money laundering. Trump was assumed to be corrupt in the same way everybody else in that business was assumed to be corrupt, and city officials looked the other way (if they weren't directly involved) so the deals could be made and they could take credit for the "benefit" to the city that these developments created.

llmart

(15,556 posts)
21. I don't doubt that is true but...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 03:32 PM
Jan 2024

the one that puzzles me the most is how he was able to cheat on his taxes all those years without the IRS going after him. When he finally had to reveal his last few tax returns, didn't we find out that he paid zero of very minimal taxes for years? How was he able to get the IRS not to go after him?

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
8. Not sure we will learn the "HOW" he got away with frauding
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:01 PM
Jan 2024

so many for so many years..BUT..we may hear from Judge Engoron some of the pieces..as the judge scatters scathing revelations for all to see on Wednesday..

The "how" may be in the $$ to squeeze those who tried to sue him, and the $$ thrown around to line pockets for silence...dunno...

Sky Jewels

(7,155 posts)
10. And Martha Stewart was imprisoned for far, far less.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:12 PM
Jan 2024

But, ya know, she doesn't have a penis, so she doesn't deserve special treatment.

Attilatheblond

(2,224 posts)
13. And she donated to DEMs
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:24 PM
Jan 2024

Insider trading? Yeah, convict the liberal woman, but let nearly all congress critters get away with in on massive scale.

lame54

(35,328 posts)
11. That world is still full of guys getting away with it...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:15 PM
Jan 2024

But they're smart enough to not to run for president

moondust

(20,014 posts)
12. Cost of conviction?
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:22 PM
Jan 2024

How much are taxpayers going to spend prosecuting his current charges?

Maybe some prosecutors choose to go after the poor who can't afford to drain their budgets with endless delays?

Happy Hoosier

(7,412 posts)
14. There are STILL people arguing....
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:25 PM
Jan 2024

... that he shouldn;t REALLY be held accountable.

The very rich in this country and have gotten used to lies and winks as a way of life. I saw an editorial this AM arguing that destroying Trump's Real Estate Empire would "set a bad precendent." Of what? holding people fucking accountable!!?? This has to stop.

cbabe

(3,551 posts)
15. Bullies are everywhere. People live in fear of
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:27 PM
Jan 2024

losing their jobs or homes. Losing your kids to Family court. Followed around the store or down the sidewalk.

I’ve known these people since kindergarten when mean teacher tore up my not-good-enough mother’s day card drawing.

I’m surprised by other peoples’ surprise.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,700 posts)
16. Way of life in NY. They just accept aggressive
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 01:41 PM
Jan 2024

people. Spend a little time with any newyawker and you will get it.

electric_blue68

(14,956 posts)
25. Err...Excuse me? There's plenty of NYC'rs who are at times assertive when needs be but -not- in general aggressive...
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 08:58 PM
Jan 2024

and more laid back at times as well.

Sez, this proud NYC'r.
City pace tends to be faster, but most of us know how to kick back, and relax. 👍

Most of us don't like bullies, either!

You just can't go around speaking falsehoods about us, not when some of us are around to point out such errors.
🗽✌️

Irish_Dem

(47,495 posts)
17. Rich/White/Male
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jan 2024

With very aggressive attack dog attorneys who threaten and intimidate everyone.
And has the money to bribe corrupt officials.

LiberalFighter

(51,141 posts)
20. Consider that Rudy was a US Attorney. And probably had close ties even back then.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 02:47 PM
Jan 2024

Probably the same for NY prosecutors. He had Roy Cohn helping him to bribe property assessors and others.

IcyPeas

(21,910 posts)
23. they were all getting a piece of the pie.
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 06:28 PM
Jan 2024

The powers that be were bought and paid for.

It's like when he stands outside the courtroom doors during his trial he defends his real estate loans... he says the banks were happy... everybody was happy, nobody got hurt.

louis-t

(23,302 posts)
26. "I robbed a bank and made tons of money on the money
Mon Jan 29, 2024, 10:18 PM
Jan 2024

but I gave the original money back when I got caught. See? Nobody got hurt."

Silent3

(15,293 posts)
31. Looking into "this failure" means looking through our entire legal system from top to bottom
Tue Jan 30, 2024, 06:19 AM
Jan 2024

The idea that "everyone is equal before the law" is a great aspirational goal, but it sadly has little to do with reality.

As an aside, I don't have a good sense of how well the American legal system stacks up against other countries. I'm sure we have it better than people do in many other countries, despite all of our flaws. I certainly wouldn't want to live under the legal systems of say, Russia or Iran or China. Compared to other industrialized democratic nations, however? I don't know. Somebody somewhere must do things at least a little better than the US does.

Back to Trump: Even before you get to outright corruption, which I'm sure has a lot to do with Trump's successful evasion of legal consequences, too much in our legal system depends on how much money you have to spend on lawyers.

Too much depends on conscious or unconscious prejudices based on power, money, race, class, and gender. Police, lawyers, judges and juries all suffer from these prejudices.

Too much depends on how much time you can endure passing before justice is done, because our legal system is so lethargic and overburdened.

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