Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
Thu Jan 25, 2024, 07:32 PM Jan 2024

Our freedom to protest U.S and/or Israel policy toward the Palestinians may be temporary

It is pretty much assured under President Biden, but severely in doubt if Trump regains the Presidency. I hope those who might consider withholding their votes from Biden in November keep that in mind. Trump is already threatening to take over Democratic run cities to fight crime. He has plans to use the U.S. military to crush "civil unrest". To Trump that means suppressing and criminalizing overwhelmingly peaceful protests. Trump also wants to reinstate his Muslim ban. With some window dressing changes and a more sympathetic Supreme Court he probably can if he wins in November. He is not at all sympathetic to Palestinians, nor to those who protest on their behalf.

White Americans, and to a significantly lesser extent non-White Americans, take for granted. certain liberties. Anti-establishment protestors here face harassment (and in relatively rare instances much worse) but we do not live in anything resembling Putin's Russia, or Xi's China. Yet.

There are many things wrong in America. They will not improve if our ability to freely protest and organize is crushed by an authoritarian regime. When dictators come to power they tend to stay in power for a very long time. Think Franco in Spain. Think Pinochet in Chile. Think Putin in Russia. There are literally dozens of examples.

We have so much work to do; work to establish racial justice, work to combat economic inequality, work to restore reproductive rights, work to prevent runaway climate change, solidarity work for oppressed people of this world. But protecting our democracy underlies all of it. In my youth I protested the foreign policy of a Democratic President; LBJ. And yes, under similar circumstances I would do so again if necessary. But I then watched as Richard Nixon succeeded LBJ in the White House. I didn't do enough to prevent it, and much harm came from that. Little did I know at the time that many decades later an authoritarian threat far greater than Richard Nixon would threaten our very democracy.

I would have had to be 21 in 1968 to vote for Hubert H. Humphrey, and I wasn't. Most likely though I wouldn't have even if I was eligible to vote. I probably would have backed a left wing protest candidate. I still remember having felt that way then, and why. I get why someone might do that, but I wouldn't make that mistake now. We can't let the next Supreme Court Justice be another right wing ideologue. We can't squander the critical next four years with a pro fossil fuel energy policy. And we can't risk losing our democracy in the 2024 elections. There is no promise that we could win it back four years later if we do.

It is not essential that anyone who does not feel so inclined show personal loyalty to Joe Biden. But it is essential that he win a second term. In a democracy, should we still be blessed to have a fully functioning one come this time next year, we can work to change U.S. policy, we can even oppose our President regarding it. In a dictatorship we can't, not without the very real threat of long term imprisonment or death. My message to disillusioned leftists is simple. Protest every other day of the year if your convictions demand it, but on November 8th vote for Joe Biden.

4 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Our freedom to protest U.S and/or Israel policy toward the Palestinians may be temporary (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jan 2024 OP
Thanks for that! BDavinciNY Jan 2024 #1
Contrary to the impression that I am no doubt giving... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2024 #4
Tough to predict. SarahD Jan 2024 #2
He would see it all as opposing him, I think Tom Rinaldo Jan 2024 #3

BDavinciNY

(95 posts)
1. Thanks for that!
Thu Jan 25, 2024, 07:54 PM
Jan 2024

The far leftist need that constant reminder of the freedom they do have in an imperfect yet functional democracy!! Also the reality of having Stinky Rump running for Dictator!

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
4. Contrary to the impression that I am no doubt giving...
Fri Jan 26, 2024, 08:57 AM
Jan 2024

I am not trying to pin blame on "leftists" for being insufficiently supportive of Biden. Under the circumstances, the American people are being insufficiently supportive of Biden. Trump's support should be below 30%. Every blue collar worker struggling to get by economically, who doesn't vote for Biden, is just as culpable should Trump ultimately win as any pro-Palestinian protester who fails to support the President on Election Day. Every voting rights activist who withdraws their support from Biden because he did not "deliver on campaign promises" will be just as culpable should Trump win, as any anti-imperialist radical organizer who refuses to support Biden in November. A vote is a vote is a vote. I just have a personal affinity with leftists in general, so that's where I aimed my appeal.

SarahD

(1,222 posts)
2. Tough to predict.
Thu Jan 25, 2024, 08:01 PM
Jan 2024

Would he have us arrested for criticizing Israel? Difficult to tell if he believes in anything strongly enough to activate the thought police. Himself, of course. We would be jailed, or worse, for criticizing or defying him. And his christofascist supporters seem to be dividing on how they feel about Netanyahu and his prosecution of the conflict.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
3. He would see it all as opposing him, I think
Thu Jan 25, 2024, 08:08 PM
Jan 2024

Trump's Middle East policy will clearly not be more sympathetic to the people of Gaza than Biden's is. So I am pretty confident Trump would be called out by protesters, and that would make it personal to him. Especially if there were large rallies etc, They would not be mistaken for the kind of Trump love fest that he demands, which would make them a "threatening" to him. It wouldn't take many broken windows for Trump to unleash real force against protesters

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Our freedom to protest U....