Is Rove, untouchable super genius, the only person who knows how to steal elections?

[ProSense]

Is Anonymous the only entity that can stop him?

Questions: Who save us in 2008? Was the 2010 election stolen?

Maybe Democrats could learn how to prevent Rove from hacking voting machines...pull an "Anonymous" so to speak.

Problem solved!

<...>

In an era of internet lulz and digital false flags, we must demand proof for these sort of claims made by Anonymous. But given Karl Rove’s history with elections in Ohio and the known vulnerabilities with our corporate owned electronic voting machines, there may be both smoke and fire with these election night allegations.

That’s why it’s vitally important for Anonymous to release any information or evidence it has about this plot to not just Julian Assange, but to law enforcement authorities as well. Otherwise, the alleged democracy-saving actions of the hacktivist group will instead be regarded as useless internet antics, relegated to the dustbins of history.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/12845-anonymous-karl-rove-and-2012-election-fix

If Anonymous has definitive proof that Rove tried to hack the vote, present it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021842950

[teddy51]

1. I don't think you will ever know the answer to your questions, cause neither side

is going to come out with proof.

[Coyotl]

15. Because there is no proof when the whole story is a fraud.

So how can there be any proof on either side? It is like proving the aliens failed to conquer the earth because they don't rule the earth. Easy to make the claim, difficult to prove or disprove.

[teddy51]

22. I'm certainly glad that your sure there was no interference, because I know I'm not.

Like I said, I doubt we will ever know one way or another.

[sabrina 1]

83. How about asking Rove to disprove Anons claims? That should be easy enough, he has access

to the info. You'd think he'd want to defend his 'reputation', such as it is. But as always, he lets his Right Wing minions do his dirty work for him.

Interesting that people are asking Anon, but not Rove to settle this matter.

[Pbs1914]

2. I guess we'll have to find out on the next episode of batman :(

[msanthrope]

3. I tell you--the people who think Anon did this sound like birthers.

The absence of any proof that President Obama is a Kenyan Muslim to confirmation that he is. Pretty much the same thing.

[ProSense]

4. Well, what better way to

keep a CT alive than to conflate it with a logical goal: verifiable voting or saving the country (I'm sure that's the birther's goal)

If the goal is virtuous, the CT must be true.

[RomneyLies]

11. Plus, when the evidence goes contrary to the CT

A super secret entity steps in to halt the bad results of the CT from happening, thus further proving the CT.

To continue the Birther analogy, George Soros stepped in and funded having a birth certificate planted in Hawaii's records just before Obama releases his Long form birth certificate as demanded by the birthers with the promise that "all he has to do is present his long form birth certificate and it all goes away".

[Coyotl]

17. Now if only they could do something about their low-quality video production

We election integrity filmmakers have an eye for video quality

[msanthrope]

18. I can't wait to see the circus this produces--I predict an FDL fund drive

soon.

[RomneyLies]

21. What I can't wait to see is which hucksters will work both sides of the street

All over the internet, wingnut sites are screaming about voting machine fraud by team Obama.

To his credit, Eric Ericson has banned all talk of that from Redstate like he did with birtherism. They guy has disgusting political stances, but at least he bans the nuttiest of the nutty from his site.

[msanthrope]

36. FDL, Greenwald, anyone who thinks they can make a dime off of it--

think Bev Harris loony.

[Pbs1914]

5. I really think Anon is secondary to the discussion

It's the potential of there being mechanisms in place either way that would allow votes to be maipulated that is the concern.
Johns Hopkins did a study back in 2003? stating how susceptible the diebold machines and others were to being manipulated. Nothing to date has been done to ensure that is not the case. Nor are their paper trail receipts in many states. That is the main issue, and was a major issue long before the letter from Anon. I've read many posters write essentially the exact same thing as oppossed to the sole focus being on whether Anon did or didn't etc etc., which is somewhat besides the overall point.

[msanthrope]

20. Exactly--having Anon involved only muddies the water. Now, think about who

would want to:

1) dirty up true election fraud investigations; and

2) create a Karl Rove mythos; and

3) start infighting on the Left.

Ratfucking.

[RobertEarl]

6. Birthers?

No. The people who are covering for Rove sound like Birthers.

[msanthrope]

8. Yes. On no evidence, they've accepted the paradigm that Rove is an all-powerful

bogeyman and Anonymous alone can fight him.

It's much the same crap fed to the Birthers--that President Obama is an all-powerful bogeyman, but people like Jerome Corsi, Orly Taitz, and Donald Trump are there to help.

Send your money!!! I'm sure the usual suspects will be fundraising soon.

[RobertEarl]

14. E-vote hacking is just cyber-crime

You think Rove can't do cyber-crime?

[Coyotl]

23. That is not the question. Don't change the question to a substitute question

thinking if the substitute is answered in the affirmative, it affirms the original.

Sure Rove can do cyber-crime. Anyone with internet access can do cyber-crime. So again, That is NOT the question.

The questions,
"Is this spooky Velvet Revolution video a fraud?"
"Who is the person doing this?"
"Where is the Donate button, cuz there must be one somewhere?"

Who is Velvet revolution anyway? Why aren't people digging into the perps of this thing? If a Republican website offered this info, would you ignore the source?

[RobertEarl]

42. Ya got me there

I have heard of techno-babble. What you just babbled is something I have never seen before.

Asking for proof of stolen votes is like asking Obama if he was born in the US.

[sabrina 1]

86. You don't know who Velvet Revolution is yet here you are making declarations all over the place?

Have you thought of asking Rove, that paragon of election fraud virtue to disprove Anon's claims? I think that would be the best way to settle this. All he has to do is give free access to anyone who wants it, to the code.

Meantime is really is so much fun seeing Anon get what they most likely wanted. Rove and Election Fraud all over the internet in the same sentence. Surely as a Democrat that gives you a certain amount of satisfaction?

[msanthrope]

33. Do you have any evidence that he has done so?

Any????

[RobertEarl]

39. Asking for proof that Rove steals votes?

That is like asking Obama for his birth certificate.

[msanthrope]

44. Yes. Proof. And I don't have to ask for PBO's birth certificate:

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/longform.pdf

[RobertEarl]

50. You think Rove wouldn't steal votes?

That is whacked, dude.

I guess you never heard about Florida 2000 election stolen?

How about the 2004 election?

[msanthrope]

65. Sure he would. Now prove it. nt

[teddy51]

38. Why are you so narrow minded on this, of course these machines could have been hacked.

[msanthrope]

41. How about some proof? nt

[teddy51]

43. You see thats the thing, who ever ( if the machines were hacked) is not going to

come out and prove that they did it. In addition, no proof is required, because all I'm saying is it's possible not that it happened.

[msanthrope]

45. I'm not asking Karl Rove for proof, I'm asking you. nt

[teddy51]

51. Did you not read my post? I never said it happened, I said it certainly could have.

Like I said, I don't no why your being so against the possibility. Hacking into these machines is child's play for someone with IT experience.

[randome]

52. No. It's not.

Most IT people would have no idea of how to hack into a proprietary machine. It only happens in crime dramas that someone who is 'good with computers' hacks willy-nilly into every network they want.

[teddy51]

57. Bullshit! Do you even know what your talking about? It happens every day.

[randome]

61. Most IT people sit in offices compiling reports, not hacking into secure networks.

I've been in the business for 20 years. I am nothing near an expert on anything except code. Never became a systems man. But having been in the industry this long, I do know what I'm talking about.

[teddy51]

67. Well I am a Systems man and was in it for 25 years, so I know a bit of what I speak.

[randome]

74. Did your 25 years happen to occur BEFORE the advent of the PC?

Because I can assure you that the average IT worker today has NO IDEA how to hack into a network. We are more concerned with writing reports and data entry applications.

But perhaps we simply have different life experiences, eh?

[teddy51]

77. Nope, I covered all of it... From the really old, to PC Networks.

[randome]

82. You could always explain how you would hack into a voting machine.

You know, just to bolster your point.

Or maybe you could find a child to do that since it's 'child's play'.

[teddy51]

85. I could, but I don't see the point.

[RobertEarl]

53. I'll educate you for a fee.

How much money do you have?

If you can sit there and protect Rove, I've also got a bridge.... BOOM!

[snooper2]

19. when you start to sound like this on the Intertubes..

It's time to take a break ROFL

[RomneyLies]

9. Nail. Hammer. Head. n/t

[hifiguy]

7. KKKarl Rove, super genius

[RobertEarl]

10. Rove... Cyber criminal

That's all. Cyber-crime is a well known fact. The e-vote hack is just another cyber-crime.

When people deny that cyber-crime by Rove is impossible, they makes me wonder what their agenda is.

[randome]

12. But no one is saying that.

We're saying show some evidence. You have none.

[RobertEarl]

16. What planet are you on?

On this one cyber-crime is very real.

[randome]

25. You said people are saying that cyber crime by Rove was impossible.

I don't see that anyone saying that so you must be pushing the idea that Rove tried to sabotage the 2012 vote. If that's the case, show some evidence. If I misinterpreted your post, my bad.

[RobertEarl]

31. You want me to believe Rove is innocent?

Show me proof Rove is innocent and would not steal votes.

Go ahead, dude. Show me your proof.

Show us all how you believe Rove would not do cyber-crime. This should be good. Popcorn anyone?

Thinking Rove would not do cyber-crime is like being a birther.

[msanthrope]

48. As a criminal defense attorney, I tell you that you are a prosecutor's wet dream

juror.

[teddy51]

54. And when you appear on this case, you better have a great IT person at your side.

The Prosecution would chew you up, and spit you out.

[msanthrope]

60. Sure. Let me know when charges are filed. 24 business hours? nt

[RobertEarl]

56. You just don't know how wet...BOOM!

Asking for proof that Rove stole votes is the same as asking Obama for his birth certificate.

[msanthrope]

62. Sure. Asking for proof of a criminal act is exactly the same as

racist xenophobia.

[RobertEarl]

70. You said it, not me

BOOM!

[randome]

49. I do think he would commit fraud, if he could get away with it.

There is no evidence (I'm not asking for proof, just evidence) that anything happened on Nov. 6th.

It's also possible that George Zimmerman murdered more people than Trayvon Martin. But there is no evidence of this.

[teddy51]

59. There is no evidence that there is a God either, but you'd be surprised how many believe there is.

[teddy51]

47. Don't need evidence, cause no one said it did happen just that it may have.

[Coyotl]

29. Cyber-crime is possible, therefore uyou are a cyber-criminal

Just be happy the DoJ doesn't employ your logic on you

Noone is inferring Rove cannot commit a crime, FCS! That is not the question!!

Try to focus on the whole picture. You can't make the whole story true by asking a substitute question.

"When people deny that cyber-crime by Rove is impossible" means they affirm it is possible right? So you have that backwards too.

[RobertEarl]

34. Asking for proof that Rove is a criminal?

You and all the rest asking for proof that Rove is a criminal is the same as asking Obama for his birth certificate.

[Coyotl]

84. So when was Rove convicted of a crime?

Noone is asking for proof because everyone knows there is no conviction. It is just another CT to say he is without proof.

[teddy51]

40. Of course it's possible, and perhaps very likely. Having watched Rove over the

past 10 years, and having worked in IT for 25 years, it's very possible.

[99Forever]

13. Precisely whom...

.. has said:

"Rove, untouchable super genius, the only person who knows how to steal elections."



Link please.

[ProSense]

24. Why do you

"Link please."

...need a link? I mean, are you demanding that absurd unnecessary thing called evidence?

[99Forever]

28. So you've got nothing.

Wadda surprise.

[ProSense]

55. How do you know?

"Wadda surprise."

Are you turning into a cartoon?

[99Forever]

66. You've got something?

Post it.

Make me eat my words. I'll happily offer you a public apology.

But you won't.

You've got nothing.

[ProSense]

68. Yes. n/t

[99Forever]

90. Then post it.

[LanternWaste]

26. Every sensibly wascally wabbit needs to laugh at a rovian super-genius coyote

Every sensibly wascally wabbit needs to laugh at a rovian super-genius coyote joke to maintain their own relevance too... even if it means dramatically over-inflating the sentiments of others.

I think far too many people are pretending to know, rather than merely guessing also.

[99Forever]

46. More like...

... using the completely, utterly, ridiculous in an attempt drown out the very possible.


But we're so fucking gullible we can't see it.

Right?

[KharmaTrain]

27. Amazing How Worlds Converge...

Go over to the wingnut sites and they're sure that Ohio was stolen...as was Florida and Virginia. Is there any proof? None other than they believed the polls going in and the results didn't match what they wanted to believe...thus it must be fraud. I know this isn't popular but it's similar to a lot of the howling I heard on this side of the sandbox in 2000 and 2004. Both sides were convinced there's some master plan to flip electronic votes and this explains how they "stole" the election. A convenient means to cover up a poorly run campaign and dismiss accepting that your side just plain lost.

I'm more likely to believe there's widespread voter fraud if someone is or gets caught...someone is indicted and tried on charges of manipulating votes...and I don't care which candidate is for. Show us it is done rather than conjecture. Make it a real matter that can be demonstrated and then see if the pattern repeats itself elsewhere. Make it obvious...open...show how the system is rigged and how election results were actually altered...not some nefarious plot played in back rooms and basements.

[Coyotl]

30. Distraction needed = BREAKING: Ballot tampering suspect identified - and she's a right-wing activist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014292507

This whole thing is probably a right-wing conspiracy to detract from the real election theft

[KharmaTrain]

32. Two Whole Ballots???

I'm crestfallen

But you know there has to be more...

In all respect, if this or any person did tamper with any vote...indict and bring into a court of law. It's that simple.

[teddy51]

81. If proving it were that simple, we no doubt would have some doing a Perp. walk.

[Coyotl]

87. The point is, there are people altering elections and getting caught.

Seen altering two whole ballots, number unknown, but six ballots are obvious alterations already. Investigation ongoing, so not much info yet.

[KharmaTrain]

88. Keep Me Posted...

Now let's see if this person is indicted and convicted. A small step.

We live in a world where few people keep secrets...especially faced with a stretch in the grey bar hotel. However, one person messing with ballots in a state with mail-in voting isn't the same as some massive conspiracy to flip hundreds or thousands of voting machines and votes.

[RobertEarl]

37. Wow

You have close to 30,000 posts and you are looking for proof of election theft?

Glad to meet you. I am here to educate you. I have the feeling we have to start at the bottom so it will take some time. Are you ready to learn?

[KharmaTrain]

89. Show Me Convictions...

...not conjecture.

I'm from Chicago...where election fraud was perfected...long before there were black boxes and electronic voting. A party determined to rig an election can find many ways...the last resort being trying to steal votes on election day. We saw a tremendous effort to suppress the vote...far easier to do and far more systemic. I can prove voter suppression...dozens of court cases that fortunately preserved millions of their right to vote in the past election. If you're claiming "election theft", then let's see whose stealing votes...investigate, indict and convict. So far I can't recall cases of anyone going to jail or even going to trial for being caught tampering with an electronic voting machine...if you're going to "educate" someone whose been around the block more times than I care to admit, show me the convictions of someone who messed with an electronic voting machine...especially in the ways alleged by "annonymous". Of course the answer will be: it's some massive super secret conspiracy that will never know, so you must assume that when your candidate loses, it must be election fraud.

The "claim" that somehow the election was won by some computer hackers in mom's basement and not to the thousands of people who volunteered their time and busted hump to help Democrats win election is insulting to all of us who worked hard on this campaign.

[Fumesucker]

35. Rove will never testify, I'd put money on it

He knows far, far too much to ever get on the stand, it's not going to happen.

[graham4anything]

58. You don't seem to like President Obama, do you? You spit in the face of HIS voters

and these articles to me IMHO are a way to stiffle the vote as bad as Nader the traitor did in 2000.

Hackers belong in jail.

NO ONE stole 2008 or 2012.

I bet this awipe hacker is a plumber or something, like those that took Nixon down
(Is this new meme, the double piece of duct tape over the door left to be found open, not once, but twice, of the Watergate complex, to insure the people inside as planned were found?

Rove himself probably invented the anony. act and outcome

and laughing all the way to secure Jeb's victory in 2016 by keeping democrats home, like the fools who sat on their hands in 2010

or the same fools that sold LBJ down the river in 1968 insuring Nixon would win (but then Nixon upset the PTB and was taken down by them in 1974).

the irony of it all

ROVE=ANON.

think about it folks.

[ProSense]

63. What the hell are you talking about?

Never mind...

[teddy51]

64. All those that don't think there was anything funny going on in OH Nov 6th, what were the

patches that Husted put into the 39 county voting machines?

[randome]

69. There was PLENTY going on, so far as Husted was concerned.

That man needs to lose his job at the very least. But software frequently requires patching. I would not trust Husted but Ohio is not my state. Again, there is no evidence that patching did anything other than what it was claimed to do.

[teddy51]

73. Frequently needs patching at the time he installed the patches, pretty suspect I would say.

[randome]

76. Sure, I'd say it was suspicious. But it could also be what it was claimed to be.

Being that public about the need for patches would seem rather stupid, wouldn't it?

[teddy51]

79. Yeah, but nobody accused Husted of being a Rocket Scientist. He was so bent on turning

his State red, I think he would have taken any risk. Just like Ken Blackwell in 2004.

[ProSense]

71. Without Ohio: Obama 314

That would make Rove not the untouchable super genius of legend, but a friggin idiot.

[teddy51]

75. But they didn't know that Obama would win it without OH at that time.

[ProSense]

78. And that makes him less of an idiot? n/t

[Scootaloo]

72. no, he's not

Any old ham loaf can do it.

Most just choose to be delicious, instead.

[apnu]

80. no way, Turd Blossom isn't that smart.

His outbursts (2008 and 2012) come from his own hubris. He thinks he's the Ohio mastermind, but the electorate has changed on him and that's where his shock comes from.

The Anonymous story has too many holes in it to be true. I confuses ORCA with the e-voting systems in three states. Now Anon may have messed with ORCA, and it may or may not have monitored links of the OH state systems sending packets elsewhere, but I'm willing to bet they were two different ops.