Tea Party Leader: Romney Can Still Win

[meegbear]

"Mitt Romney carried 24 states. We need to have conservative activists from all over the nation contact the electors, the Republican Party and the secretary of state in all of these states and tell them not to participate in the Electoral College when it meets on Dec. 17. If we can get 17 of those states (just over one-third) to refuse to participate, the Electoral College will have no quorum. Then, as the Constitution directs, the election goes to the House of Representatives. That is how we can still pull this election out and make Mitt Romney president in January. We need this concept shared with every tea party, liberty and patriotic group throughout the country. We have time to act, but we must pressure Republicans to do the right thing. It does not matter who gets credit for this. The credit is not important. Using our last chance to defeat Barack Obama is important." - Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips, telling World Net Daily how Romney can still win.

RELATED: This summer Phillips said that President Obama should prove he isn't a gay crackhead before making tax return demands on Romney.

http://www.joemygod.blogspot.com/2012/11/tea-party-leader-romney-can-still-win.html

Pathetic.

[tanyev]

1. Hold on tight to your dreams, Judson.

[JHB]

21. I think his dreams are just above where his legs attach...

...because he's definitely "holding tight" to that if he thinks this is a viable plan.

[SemperEadem]

37. Accroches-toi à ton rêve

[greatauntoftriplets]

2. Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. Abusing your government-funded meds, Judson?

Naughty boy.

[hobbit709]

4. Life is good on Planet Bozone.

Here's some music for you Judson.

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. Wow ...

This takes me back to the early '70s TV in Cleveland. There was a late night show starring some guy called the Ghoul, that played B-Movies and played this song, after doing some lunacy like blowing up model cars with fire crackers or airing the "Pizza Fight of the Century, before going into the commercial breaks.

[thatgemguy]

15. Ghoulardi was the MAN!!! n/t

[Blue_Tires]

19. How have I never heard of this?

Just found my NEW theme song!

[demwing]

32. Simple - you lived in a radio market that didn't

play the Dr Demento show

http://www.drdemento.com/

[retread]

40. I'm happy they took you away!!

[davidpdx]

63. I had a girlfriend about 15 years ago who would sing that

For the record, she was a Republican.

[CanonRay]

5. So apparently, throwing out legitimate election results and overturning the constitution

is "patriotic", and a stand for "liberty". Actually, it's closer to sedition and/or treason, but I'm quibbling.

[Hokie]

6. This myth has been making the rounds - they are misreading the 12th Amendment

The 2/3 quorum refers to the House of Representatives vote that would be held if no candidate wins a majority in the Electoral College. The net effect of Red States withholding their votes would be that Obama would win 332 to 0. I have to say I completely support their idea.

Here is the full text of the Twelfth Amendment:

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate.

The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.

The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President.[1]
The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.[2]

[Renew Deal]

7. Why does Judson Phillips hate America?

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This is more right wing craziness from the America hating wing of the Republican Party. They are willing to subvert democracy in the name of "liberty." Judson Phillips and those that think like him are a disgrace to the founding fathers and the "liberty" they profess. They are a national embarrassment.

This authoritarian RW lunacy is why a secessionist south could never succeed. They would eat each other alive in the name of "the good of the country" while imprisoning dissenters. Lincoln did the right thing by wiping these maniacs out. The few that remain should receive the disdain, mockery, and marginalization they deserve. They are contemptible low lives. World Nut Daily deserves the same treatment for printing this garbage.

[heaven05]

36. It's

not about amerikkka. Good old amerikkkan bred hate and racism at work here. Liberty, amerikkkan values all that is distractive bullshit to try to cover what they are really about. I will never take my eyes off the reasoning of this enemy group. Anyone who can't see that well .....

[MineralMan]

8. Ah, grasping at straws, I see.

What morons! No state is going to refuse to send its electoral vote. That's just silly. Tea Party folks lost, and they're pissed. That doesn't mean that the election didn't take place as scheduled and produce the results it produced. Morons abound.

[jpljr77]

9. Meh, just a little subversion of democracy and overt treason. No biggie.

He is, after all, white. So he can do whatever he wants. /sarc

[yellowcanine]

10. Well he is full of shit. The Electoral College does not meet nationally and does not need a quorum.

The electors of each state meet in the state capitol and vote and then send their vote to the President of the Senate (the sitting Vice President).

The Electoral College of every state must prepare six original Certificates of Vote. All electors must sign a sheet attached to each certificate. The Certificates of Ascertainment provided by the Governor are attached to the Certificates of Vote and each set is sealed inside an envelope.

The electors certify the six sets by signing the outside of each envelope. Using registered mail, a state's Electoral College sends two sets of certificates to the Archivist of the United States, two sets to the state's Secretary of State, one to the President of the United States Senate, and one to the chief Federal judge of the district in which the electors voted.

http://www.archives.nysed.gov/education/ed_electoral_procedures.shtml

The only quorum needed would be for the House of Rep State Delegations (Voting for President) and Senate (Voting for VP) in the case of a 269-269 tie.

Just more proof, as if we needed any, that the Tea Party, which loves to blather about the Constitution, doesn't actually know what it says.

[TomClash]

11. The quorum only applies if there is no majority

The Electoral College does not need a quorum because it never meets. A quorum is needed if there is no electoral college majority and the election is decided in the House. It is the House that needs the quorum.

[4 more years]

13. This is why I hate the T party

Who the hell do they think they are. Go back to your shuffle board you bunch of ass holes. The south lost the war and get over it. Tea party lost the election get over it morons

[HoosierCowboy]

14. Does bring up an interesting point about Presidential succession

Should something happen to the President between now and the inauguration, even if the Electoral college makes him President, who would be President on Jan 21?

VP Biden would be sworn in as President, but that does not mean that he could assume the Presidency after Obamas' term had expired. The question would go to the House of Representatives who would elect a Republican as President, maybe Governor Romney but not neccessarily.

The repercussions of such an event could be of such magnitude as to make the Arab Spring look like a Sunday School picnic.

[RomneyLies]

20. No, he doesn't bring up an interesting point about presidential succession

From Amendment XX, Section 3.:

If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.

[Hippo_Tron]

65. The House has no say once the electoral votes have been counted

Biden would be Vice-President elect and sworn in as Vice President on January 21st 2013. If the Office of the President were vacant, he would subsequently be sworn in as President for a term that expires on January 21st 2017.

If something happened to the President before the electoral votes are counted, there's potential for something else to happen. Though I suspect that all of Obama's electors would just vote as they normally would just vote for Obama/Biden even if Obama were not able to assume office, then the process I described would occur. Biden would be sworn in as VP and then be sworn in as President.

[onethatcares]

16. the shit never stops

and remember,


they walk among us.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. Denial springs eternal

[Brother Buzz]

18. Has Judson Phillips paid his $748,000 hotel bill?

Sheldon Adelson wants his dough.

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-tea-party-nation-founder-must-pay-748k-153404637.html

[Great Caesars Ghost]

22. What if it does work?

What if something happens to the 17 electors so that they don't show up? ALL in the right is now doing everything it takes to destroy the progressive movement to the point of even destroying 18,000 people's lives by shutting down their own business. These fuckers are now on "if we can't have it, no one can" mode, and we need to keep our eyes wide open and our ears wide open at this. Yes I know I will be getting the conspiracy theorist because of this. But keep this in mind, and I will write about it in the near future, it could be you, or your loved ones.

[John2]

23. There is

a problem with his scheme in North Carolina. The Secretary of State was re-elected and she is a Democrat.

[Great Caesars Ghost]

27. I think he is talking nation wide

[heaven05]

38. I'm

with you. We'll share a bunker, if it comes to that.

[cali]

24. Not this shit again. Some other crackpot wrote the same thing. It's not true.

They need to read the Constitution. Never mind. That's beyond their grade level.

[Initech]

25. Fucking elections... how do they work?

[demwing]

29. I dunno...Im not a political scientist, man /nt

[Tikki]

34. Ha..ha...ha...

Tikki

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

26. It's the holidays

Just think how many fruitcakes can be made with these nuts.

[Turbineguy]

28. Yeah!

Don't let those elitist electoral college professors ruin a chance to really screw things up!

[hrmjustin]

30. Someone was up all night think that one up.

Someone does not believe in elections I see.

[graham4anything]

31. the awipes on the right don't believe in any amendment but the 2nd. The ones after don't exist in

their warped minds.

what a bunch of losers.

They don't even know the constitution they so often mention

[ceejdre82]

54. AHHH....you hit the nail on the head!!!

[joeybee12]

33. Yup, nothing says freedom like ignoring the will of the people...

Tell me again WHY this guy can't be called a fascist?

[Afromania]

35. Logic Fail

Sometimes the best choice is to not play the game....

[LiberalLovinLug]

39. Is he related to Gabby Johnson?

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. that is someone not living with a reality based world view

[busterbrown]

42. Got it!

I'm an elector representing the 23rd district near Selma Alabama.
As soon as I'm done shittin,I call everyone I know, tell them to get in the cars
go to the post office and begin mailing their electoral votes into tea party headquarters.

Consider it done Mr. Philips, and God Bless the U.S.A. and God Bless Jesus Christ our Lord!

[ballaratocker]

43. I had to open this article and check it wasn't from the Onion.

Sweet cream on an ice cream sandwich. Can these people get any more insane? Don't forget though... They represent the 'REAL AMERICA'! God, save us all if that is the real America.

[Dont call me Shirley]

44. Judson, quick call Alan West

[Samantha]

45. Every state in the United States must adhere to its state constitution with regard to selecting

it's slate of electors. Each state constitution requires that the outcome of the popular vote determines the slate of electors (the one exception, I believe, is Maine). If a state does not abide by its state constitution, its slate can simply be discounted by the Electoral College, which is presided over by the Vice President of the United States....

From Article II, Section 1, paragraph 3, of the Constitution:

"...and they [meaning the electors, the party of which has previously been decided as a result of the outcome of the popular vote (except Maine)] shall make a list of all the persons voted for, and the Number of Votes for each; which list they shall sign and certify; and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate (Joe Biden). The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and the House of Representatives, open all of the Certificates, and the votes shall then be counted. The person having the greatest number of votes shall be President, if such Number shall be a majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed, and if there be more than one that have such majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot; one of them for President." (emphasis added)

I am going to stop quoting here to make a point. I believe any state that refuses to participate as mentioned in the thread above, is disqualified from having a slate of electors counted in the official count over which the Vice President presides.

Those states deliberately not participating are in violation of the terms of the U.S. Constitution, which violation does not give the legislatures of those state the right to rewrite the rules enumerated in our Constitution in order to effectuate the selection of a candidate not property elected by the laws in place.

What should happen then is those slates would be discarded and the number of votes required to be President would be a majority of those officially counted. When the language in the U.S. Constitution says the person having the greatest number of votes shall be the President, if such a number be the majority of the whole number of electors appointed, that only includes the slates in the official count, not the other electors votes who were not forwarded to the President of the Senate as required by the highest law of the land. Whoever devised this scheme is counting those electors in the whole number, but it seems to me their participation is thrown out because the rules of the Constitution were deliberately violated.

How does one plan to violate the Constitution and win by rewriting the rules? If Romney's slates of the electors are not forwarded to be included in the official count, the only ones the Vice-President presiding over the Senate receives would be those for President Obama (plus the slate forwarded by Maine, assuming that state is participating).

Can you say "Safe Harbor?"

Furthermore, there is zero wiggle room to change a state constitution after an election but before the Electoral College vote. Just thought I would mention that before I see someone suggest it. Any changes to a state constitution from hereon out would become applicable to the next election, not this one.

Sam

[harmonicon]

46. Awww... just like the original "Boston tea party"!!

What was their rallying cry? "Minority rule is the best!! Down with elected representative democracy!!" I think that was it.

[dem4ward]

47. Where do these people come from?

If the tea party focused on how to make the economy better, how to improve the lives of the poor or needy or even how to give back then they would have a valuable movement. Instead they choose to focus on divisiveness, destruction and condemnation. They don't want less government, they want to control government. Sheesh!

[behindenemylins]

48. Follow your dreams

You can reach your goals. I'm living proof. Beefcake.

BEEF CAKE!!!

[Emcee Cee Low E]

49. The editor of the article posted this (sort of) retraction

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/how-obama-can-be-stopped-in-electoral-college/

Editor’s note, Nov. 20, 2012: Since this column was posted it has been discovered that the premise presented about the Electoral College and the Constitution is in error. According to the 12th Amendment, a two-thirds quorum is required in the House of Representatives, not the Electoral College.

[jsmirman]

53. Bwah ha ha

Idiots.

Don't know their American History, have never actually read the Constitution.

Fucking morons.

[Evasporque]

62. DING DING DING -- Judson's email is on the article too..

Send him some love.

[MrMickeysMom]

50. These fucking people should implode... the end.

Now, excuse me, I have to run to go smoke some crack with my same sex and sin.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

51. He needs this book

U.S. Constitution For Dummies
From U.S. Constitution For Dummies by Michael Arnheim

The U.S. Constitution was written and signed by men who craved independence from Britain but who were nonetheless steeped in its history and ideals. The U.S. Constitution starts with some basic precepts of English governance, but then adds some uniquely American twists — three branches of government that act to check and balance each other, for example. Although much thought went into the Constitution, the Framers left it open to amendment. The first ten amendments were ratified just four years after the Constitution itself and are known as the Bill of Rights.

The U.S. Constitution and the Establishment of Government

The U.S. Constitution, as adopted by the Philadelphia Convention on September 17, 1787, sets out three distinct branches of national government and provides powers to each that serve as a check on the others. The following sections offer key facts about each branch.
The Executive Branch: The President

The highest elected official in the United States, the President

Is Commander in Chief of the U.S. armed forces. However, only Congress can actually declare war.

Has the power to veto legislation passed by both houses of Congress (the House of Representatives and the Senate). Congress can override the veto only with a two-thirds majority.

Appoints Cabinet officers, Supreme Court justices, and many other officials — subject to confirmation by the Senate.

The Legislative Branch: Congress

The Constitution provides for two houses of Congress: the House of Representatives and the Senate. The population of a state determines how many people it elects to the House of Representatives. Each state elects two Senators, so the Senate offers an equal playing field for small states and large states.

Congress has the power to make all federal laws, and only the House can introduce tax legislation. The Senate has the power to confirm or deny the President’s appointments to the Cabinet, the Supreme Court, and other key positions.
The Judicial Branch: The Supreme Court

Each justice is nominated by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and has the opportunity to serve in that position for life as long as he or she demonstrates what the Constitution calls “Good Behaviour.” The Supreme Court effectively determines what the Constitution means.

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/us-constitution-for-dummies-cheat-sheet.html

[JohnnyRingo]

52. No, it doesn't "matter who gets credit for this".

...It matters who gets blamed.

It's one thing for a right wing hothead to spout off on a Tea Party website, but it's altogether different to be a public official known for openly cheating an election. These people like to run for re-election, you know.

Sure, they might convince some low level legislator in Texas or Mississippi to kind of make some noise about it, but no governor or senator is going to affix their name to document that blatantly threw an election.

The Tea Party is running out of steam in the ol' teapot. I guess secession didn't work.

[Skip Intro]

55. How is it patriotic to circumvent the will of the people?

We need this concept shared with every tea party, liberty and patriotic group throughout the country.




It's over tea party. Let it go.

[jmowreader]

56. We're printing a letter tonight that says the tea party isn't extremist

This puts the lie to THAT theory.

[rks306]

57. boohoo

Phillips, you're a real as-wipe.

[Suji to Seoul]

58. The stupid burns.

[fasttense]

59. I guess he really Does NOT believe in democracy.

Since he is advocating ignoring the will of the people. But then the supreme court also ignores the will of the people so he just fits into crazy town.

[SimplyMarie]

60. No credibility

Mitt Romney lost all credibility both before the election and after. He couldn't get elected Dog Catcher in my town.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

61. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!!??

Hope springs eternal. Hang in there, Judson!

[Initech]

71. Germans? Forget it he's rolling!

[Downtown Hound]

64. Are these the same teabaggers that routinely throw out the words "democracy and freedom?"

Apparently, that democracy doesn't actually extend to you know, democracy.

[nxylas]

66. Not, they are forever reminding us that America is a republic, not a democracy

Cos, you know, that proves that the founding fathers wanted it to be ruled by Republicans, not Democrats.

[cheezmaka]

67. They are CRAZY!!!

[tavalon]

68. Isn't he precious!

Dumb as a stone, but precious.

[Overseas]

69. We just need them to refuse to accept any of our tax dollars. They get far more federal funding.

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

The graphic emphasizes this point by showing two tables side by side. States that send more money to the federal government than they receive in federal spending are on the left, and they are primarily blue (or Democratic) states. The table on the right shows states that receive more in federal spending than they contribute in taxes. This table is predominantly red (or Republican).

The graphic says: "Of the 32 states which receive more than they contribute, 27 states (84%) are REPUBLICAN. Of the 18 states which contribute more than they receive, 14 states (78%) are DEMOCRATIC."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

[Ecumenist]

70. This Explains some idiot on twitter who was telling me that although Obama won-

he's still optimistic and fired up that Romney can still be president. Wow, do they really think that they can ram this down the throats of America?