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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas Putin behind the Hamas Israel attack?
Are they tying to pull a Reagon hostage tactic to try making tfg look good?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,448 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(2,676 posts)Yes, I'm sure that's it.
TheProle
(2,199 posts)mitch96
(13,926 posts)Hamas and Houthi's are funded by Iran...Iran and putin are best buddies...
All them cheap drones come from Iran...
So, Yes I think putin is behind this...Along with paying off US legislators to defund Ukraine...
follow the money
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Arazi
(6,829 posts)I believe theres a consortium of authoritarians who have conspired on this.
Hamas says they started planning this as soon as Biden got into office. Theres been big money into prepping Hamas (and Hezbollah, the Houthi shits etc) on this plus theyve got an insane amount of weaponry for a militia group.
Furthermore I believe Putin, Iran, North Korea, China etc would LOVE to have #Traitor back in office.
I dont think this is about hostages - I believe theyre trying to divide Dems for 2024
GreenWave
(6,766 posts)Born: Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
7 October 1952 (age 71)
Leningrad, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union
Does that date ring a bell? Granted one chance in 365.24, but still.
Second part of theory seems quite the reach
Sanity Claws
(21,854 posts)lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)note that Biden is in a box here and his approval numbers are dropping because of Gaza.
But the date of the attack was strictly about the all day all night concert near Gaza. Hamas trained for such a mission for years, but the date was likely picked 1 week before Oct 7. That is because the date and location of the concert was only advertised 1 week before the concert. The attack involved a coordinated 3 pronged attack (from the west, north, and south) on the concert venue. They wanted to murder the young people attending the concert for the maximum impact on Israel and maximum retaliation by Israel on the citizens of Gaza... and the resulting "sympathy" play around the world and anger against Israel and anyone supporting Israel. And, of course, Israel fell right into this trap.
GreenWave
(6,766 posts)lapfog_1
(29,226 posts)where they say this was the goal of the terror attack.
All of the other attacks were simply "targets of opportunity". The concert and the location was scouted by Hamas before the attack. They noted that there was a big open field to the east of the venue and limited roads that ran north to south from the venue. Hence the groups of paragliders that took the road both to the north and to the south to prevent people escaping except by foot across the very large open field to the east... and they had inserted a few terrorists near the field to pick off the people running across the field.
It was all planned.
And the goal was to enrage Israel by killing the unarmed young adults and cause Israel to bomb the hell out of Gaza.
When Israel issued a warning about north Gaza, Hamas actually prevented civilians from fleeing the area.. to increase the body count of dead Palestinians.
Irish_Dem
(47,446 posts)1. HAMAS does not have the training, funds, military, or intelligence operatives to pull off the attacks against Israel.
2. Putin is at war with the US and is desperate to win the war in Ukraine, and to become a global superpower.
3. Putin's HAMAS operation is a part of a plan to distract the US on three fronts, Ukraine, the Mideast, and Pacific.
4. To make Americans unwilling to kept spending money on Ukraine.
5. It also allowed Putin to deflect from his own civilian atrocities in Ukraine.
6. It is also a direct attempt to make Biden look bad by putting Biden in a no win situation.
7. Putin was brilliant to use HAMAS to significantly divide American opinion.
8. Literally over night Putin was able to deeply divide the Democratic party.
9. Putin is using all of this to install Trump back into the WH like he did before.
10. If it wasn't so damn evil I would be in awe of Putin's genius.
yardwork
(61,712 posts)And, if the ultimate outcome was also for the U.S. to abandon Israel, well, that's an outcome every other nation in the Middle East would like.
But the main hill is to get Trump back in the White House. Putin is using many Americans' ignorance of history and biases against Jewish people to his advantage. .
Irish_Dem
(47,446 posts)He doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
Americans have proven to be naive and gullible.
It is quite easy for Russia and China to play us like fiddles.
dutch777
(3,044 posts)...distraction. Given most of the West cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. (See GOP led Congress articles, for examples).