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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petraeus-scandal-puts-four-star-general-lifestyle-under-scrutiny/2012/11/17/33a14f48-3043-11e2-a30e-5ca76eeec857_story.htmlPetraeus scandal puts four-star general lifestyle under scrutiny
By Rajiv Chandrasekaran and Greg Jaffe, Published: November 17, 2012
Then-defense secretary Robert M. Gates stopped bagging his leaves when he moved into a small Washington military enclave in 2007. His next-door neighbor was Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time, who had a chef, a personal valet and not lost on Gates troops to tend his property....
Of the many facts that have come to light in the scandal involving former CIA director David H. Petraeus, among the most curious was that during his days as a four-star general, he was once escorted by 28 police motorcycles as he traveled from his Central Command headquarters in Tampa to socialite Jill Kelleys mansion. Although most of his trips did not involve a presidential-size convoy, the scandal has prompted new scrutiny of the imperial trappings that come with a senior generals lifestyle.
The commanders who lead the nations military services and those who oversee troops around the world enjoy an array of perquisites befitting a billionaire, including executive jets, palatial homes, drivers, security guards and aides to carry their bags, press their uniforms and track their schedules in 10-minute increments. Their food is prepared by gourmet chefs. If they want music with their dinner parties, their staff can summon a string quartet or a choir.
The elite regional commanders who preside over large swaths of the planet dont have to settle for Gulfstream V jets. They each have a C-40, the military equivalent of a Boeing 737, some of which are configured with beds. ...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)As we working class GIs would say...bitterly.
Baitball Blogger
(46,758 posts)To my sadness, Admirals, captains and the like think they should be treated as if they still live on a military base. They are above the law.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)just a fact of military life. somewhat bitterly. They do need to tone it down some. That could be seen as opulent weakness by enemies.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Rear echelon motherfuckers
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)I understand that as you move up, the trappings and digs are a little nicer--but they shouldn't be THAT much nicer than the enlisted men and women who also sacrifice.
And why the fuck can't these asshats fly on military aircraft? WHY their own jets?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Operated by a specific command in the Air Force.
CrispyQ
(36,518 posts)Not much different than CEO's making 400 times what their lowest employees make. War is just a business now, a way to siphon the Treasury to the top 1%.
LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)Maybe the budget bloat encourages immodest expenditures. I have long thought that $10,000 toilet seats were a product of the military having too much money to spend. When one has more money than one needs, and renewal of funds is requisite on spending everything budgeted, wouldn't that be an incentive to spend frivolously?
byeya
(2,842 posts)and unless that person has served at least one full year as an enlisted man or enlisted woman.
[2] I don't think servants should be supplied to any military person and no officer can use an enlisted person for personal tasks.
[3] The practice of giving a military person an extra rank at retirement to boost his/her retirement pay should end.
an over the top suggestion, i would say. But that is just me.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)I tend to feel that we spend far too much on the military academies. I don't think we need them. Also feel that the Army in particular has wasted a lot of tax payer dollars on needless uniform changes. And why is it necessary to maintain golf courses on military bases? Most of the troops don't play golf.
Rex
(65,616 posts)is just another term for CEO. When will people wake up and finally smell the plutocracy that came and killed off our democracy? Well, not entirely killed off...we still have President Obama for another 4 years...that is a silver lining imb.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)with generals having a more lavish lifestyle. Would people have them be poor and scrapping while supposedly commanding troops in wars?
I don't get the generalized bitterness shown against all people who are rich or get privileges because of their rank. Fuck if we have to have a bloated military why the hell should higher ranking officers not have more privileges and percs and salary? Why not have incentives to attract officers?
Care Acutely
(1,370 posts)They are soldiers, not nobility.
Overseas
(12,121 posts)barbtries
(28,811 posts)but 28 motorcycles escorting?! three personal servants?! are they all on the taxpayer's dime? cause that is too much. sure they've earned a certain lifestyle but it need not be THAT much of a departure from normal life.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)It was called middle class.
LibGranny
(711 posts)enlisted personnel to take people(s) coats and hang them and civilians (who are paid overtime) to help as hostesses! I speak from experience!
TahitiNut
(71,611 posts)It's normal.
bupkus
(1,981 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)Travel to exotic places, cheat on your wife and get treated like a king.
:grunt:
Overseas
(12,121 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)be some kind of record.) No one can say with certainty that their perks are why we lost the war(s) - I see them more as symptomatic than causal.
Al Quaida doesn't even really need to attack us any more, as we have pretty much done ourselves in (or allowed the 1% to do us in).
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Though a few things should be clarified.
1. The panes are operated by the Air Force. Gates knew they are also command centers, airborne. What I object is how they are outfitted...but sensors, communications and sat links sure...
2.- The life style bonus reflects a corrupt organization where rank has become ridiculous in the benefits they get.
3- what practice of giving a rank increase at retirement? Personnel need to serve a minimum to retire at a certain rank.
4- Generals have had aides, both enlisted and JOs like forever, this is not new...what is new is the size of the detail. Oh and chefs are part of the security (food poisoning) that has gone on for decades.
The problem we have are not these benefits, but how extensive they are...and chiefly one more...there is little accountability of generals anymore...if they fail, they rarely face dismissal anymore. In WWII they did, regularly. We have social generals anymore. That is the heart of the problem.
For the record, I would like to see these flag officers eat with low EM at least once a month.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)....a War General as a War President, if you want all the perks militaristic "glory" can buy.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)For a decade you couldn't go shopping without hearing dedications to the troops over the PA. If only we held the same high regard for our teachers, artists (creators), and scientists. Then we would be something worthy of praise.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)If the military is a way to subsidize music and art without Republicans bitching about it, then that's fine by me.
The thing I found most fascinating about the article was that the Generals get these perks and their civilian superiors don't (other than the President and VP, of course).
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)This has got to stop. It is repulsive, unwarranted, destructive to a free country. This kind of "free" costs way too much.
butterfly77
(17,609 posts)this is why they always shout so loud about why we can't cut military spending. They want to tell us our tax dollars should be used for this but not for us especially when we need it. Whose money is it???
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Until modern times generals and officers were kings and nobles, so they lived like it. Apparently the tradition was passed down to our modern military organizations. Maybe it's time to take a closer look and do some reforms.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)Maybe?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)What else is going on that we should know about but the media "journalists" are too lazy or complicit to expose?
Kaleva
(36,351 posts)5 star generals and admirals kept their perks till their death.
JEB
(4,748 posts)are one bit of bad luck or one bad decision from living under the bridge. And most of them actually did the dirty work asked of them by the oligarchs that run the show.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)Senior military officers have long been over paid and pampered. I question the need for so many flag officers in our military.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Who was no stranger to tinware on his chest.
not chow lines?
byeya
(2,842 posts)I just ran some quick math on those figures. In WWII, there was roughly one general officer for every 14,545 troops. Today there is roughly one general officer for every 1,557 troops. According to the Times article